2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Honest question here:

Would you rather Cutter Gauthier or Alex DeBrincat? If trading the pick for DeBrincat saves from drafting Gauthier, I'd do it.

 

[Redpath]

The commitment to an agressive retool would be a bit more exciting if we didn't have an aging 1C coming off injury, a blackhole contract at 2C, and a blackhole contract in our top 4.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Honest question here:

Would you rather Cutter Gauthier or Alex DeBrincat? If trading the pick for DeBrincat saves from drafting Gauthier, I'd do it.

I f***ing loathe that the Flyers are doing a big re-tool when they should be rebuilding properly, but I'll be 100% honest, even though I'd love the possibility of Cooley, Nemec or Jiricek, DeBrincat would be ideal.

 

[TheKingPin]

The commitment to an agressive retool would be a bit more exciting if we didn't have an aging 1C coming off injury, a blackhole contract at 2C, and a blackhole contract in our top 4.

Yea because that’s not a retool. That would be called going for it. Like adding Kadri or Tampa and their depth players.

 

[Adam Warlock]

How good is Debrincat? I know he puts up numbers...but he seems like more of a prime Gagne type to me than a true high end forward who can scare defenses.

I feel like Gaudreau is a better player...even if hes older.

 

[TheKingPin]

Honest question here:

Would you rather Cutter Gauthier or Alex DeBrincat? If trading the pick for DeBrincat saves from drafting Gauthier, I'd do it.

It’s not just the 2022 pick obviously. That would be a good value move. You’re looking at several additional valuable pieces.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Who did it?

The Flyers back in 2007-2008 but they had a lot more in their advantage compared to now. They unloaded their roster of every older piece of value which helped them land Timonen, Hartnell, & Coburn whether in the following off-season or in-season like Coburn’s case.

They had Richards & Carter starting their prime. Homer also always went heavy on term to bring down the caphits especially in Richards & Carter who both had double digit term contracts which even allowed anymore. Obviously they were also able to comfortably fit a top UFA contract in Briere too.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Honest question here:

Would you rather Cutter Gauthier or Alex DeBrincat? If trading the pick for DeBrincat saves from drafting Gauthier, I'd do it.

Probably everyone would rather DeBrincat, but the choice shouldn't be that simple.

It should be 5OA + other assets + DeBrincat needs to be paid vs. just drafting a Nemec, for example.

 

[Redpath]

Yea because that’s not a retool. That would be called going for it. Like adding Kadri or Tampa and their depth players.

What is the realistic benefit of signing Kadri vs the realistic negative? Being a fringe playoff team vs. having another huge UFA 30+ contract?

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Charlie is arguably worse than Meltzer. Bill is just a cuck shill. Charlie knows better, he clearly does, yet he spouts nonsense like that. There is nothing to respect in a strategy committed to being complete dumbasses with zero forward thinking.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Honest question here:

Would you rather Cutter Gauthier or Alex DeBrincat? If trading the pick for DeBrincat saves from drafting Gauthier, I'd do it.

Gauthier hands down.

The effect of DeBrincat would not be just the trade mentioned. It’s Risto all over again where the real pain comes with an extension they will have zero leverage in.

Everyone perhaps outside of Hart is kind of irrelevant on the current team. Any worthwhile future lies in the potential high end draft picks the team will have the next few years.

They need to be untouchable.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers back in 2007-2008 but they had a lot more in their advantage compared to now. They unloaded their roster of every older piece of value which helped them land Timonen, Hartnell, & Coburn whether in the following off-season or in-season like Coburn’s case.

They had Richards & Carter starting their prime. Homer also always went heavy on term to bring down the caphits especially in Richards & Carter who both had double digit term contracts which even allowed anymore. Obviously they were also able to comfortably fit a top UFA contract in Briere too.

Beyond the big swings at guys like Briere, Timonen, Hartnell, & Pronger over from 2007 & 2010. Homer hit on secondary moves too like Coburn, Carle, Lupul, etc. to bolster the depth beyond his top guys. But he was starting off around 2007 with a good chunk of capspace & assets to play with to make that all happen over those years.

He pushed all his chips in for like four years straight & the back tax on it ultimately came in the end but he was still trying to swing away without having as advantageous of a situation from a cap, asset, CBA, etc. standpoint like he did in 2007.

 

[BiggE]

Cuck brought us:
7 years of Hayes
AV & Michel
Thompson, twice
The corpse of Ellis
Risto
Risto’s extension

There is no move too stupid and/or shortsighted that Cuck won’t consider. He’s the guy other GMs point to when they want to feel better about themselves

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Honest question here:

Would you rather Cutter Gauthier or Alex DeBrincat? If trading the pick for DeBrincat saves from drafting Gauthier, I'd do it.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the way DeBrincat’s current contract is set up with him being paid $9M in salary his last year next year is that his qualifying offer for that summer is $9M. So he could in theory accept that QO which would take him to UFA in 2024 as a QO is a one year deal if accepted.

So he’s got a lot of contract leverage in these upcoming years. I’d imagine that’s part of why Chicago might be trying to move now too along with the current state of their roster, salary cap, asset, etc. outlook.

 

[flyersnorth]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the way DeBrincat’s current contract is set up with him being paid $9M in salary his last year next year is that his qualifying offer for that summer is $9M. So he could in theory accept that QO which would take him to UFA in 2024 as a QO is a one year deal if accepted.

So he’s got a lot of contract leverage in these upcoming years. I’d imagine that’s part of why Chicago might be trying to move now too along with the current state of their roster, salary cap, asset, etc. outlook.

Does DeBrincat score 40 goals here with the roster as currently constructed? I'm not convinced.

Can you believe we haven't had a 40 goal scorer since 2008-2009?

Since the year 2000, we've had 3 seasons with a 40 goal scorer.
Gagne, 47g, 2005-2006
Gagne, 41g, 2006-2007
Carter, 46g, 2008-2009

 

[freakydallas13]

Charlie is arguably worse than Meltzer. Bill is just a cuck shill. Charlie knows better, he clearly does, yet he spouts nonsense like that. There is nothing to respect in a strategy committed to being complete dumbasses with zero forward thinking.

Bill used to have more credibility, but it all evaporated once he was on the team's payroll. Meltzer actually used to have pretty good insights back in the day.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The thing with a DeBrincat trade now is he’d blow out what little cap/assets you have now. If you trade this years first & next years even with a protection on it you could have a three year span between 2021, 2022, & 2023 where you barely selected in the first two rounds. That puts even more pressure on guys like Foerster, Brink, etc. to hit big assuming they’re not even traded themselves. I’m not saying they can’t be useful too six/middle lineup players but the odds of them becoming top line or better players just isn’t likely especially within this organization.

You already have a roster filled with holes now with some of your best players already having left their prime (who even knows about Ellis’ future). To have any semblance of chance for this to work you need cheap ELC deals for this to work & the Flyers are essentially stripping their lottery tickets down to very minimal as we speak.

 

[freakydallas13]

Does DeBrincat score 40 goals here with the roster as currently constructed? I'm not convinced.

Can you believe we haven't had a 40 goal scorer since 2008-2009?

Since the year 2000, we've had 3 seasons with a 40 goal scorer.
Gagne, 47g, 2005-2006
Gagne, 41g, 2006-2007
Carter, 46g, 2008-2009

This is the result of the Flyers stupid views on team building coming home to roost.

"Death before rebuild"
"Defence wins championships"
"Culture over skill"

This poverty f***ing franchise deserves its piss poor results.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the way DeBrincat’s current contract is set up with him being paid $9M in salary his last year next year is that his qualifying offer for that summer is $9M. So he could in theory accept that QO which would take him to UFA in 2024 as a QO is a one year deal if accepted.

So he’s got a lot of contract leverage in these upcoming years. I’d imagine that’s part of why Chicago might be trying to move now too along with the current state of their roster, salary cap, asset, etc. outlook.

The 9MM QO straight to UFA option is correct. He’s got leverage for days.

 

[Pantokrator]

Don’t forget cancer. Pronger was even worse because we just restructured the team to allow Pronger be the leader.

But all that said, I don’t believe in bad luck. I think it will all even out over long enough. Which may mean winning a lottery or two for a generational player or two!

Of all the years to tank, this is it, and sadly, we'll finish 12th because of Tortorella.

 

[freakydallas13]

Why tf is this team targeting another winger, and not the center they desperately need?

Oh, because I guess then they have to admit they made a miserable mistake with their big FA splash in Hayes, and that his contract is a boat anchor around the team's neck.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Probably everyone would rather DeBrincat, but the choice shouldn't be that simple.

It should be 5OA + other assets + DeBrincat needs to be paid vs. just drafting a Nemec, for example.

exaclty, its never gunna be a 1 for 1 trade...

 

[freakydallas13]

Of all the years to tank, this is it, and sadly, we'll finish 12th because of Tortorella.

You're dreaming if you think Fletcher is planning on keeping next year's 1st round pick. He'll waste it making sure this team either just misses the playoffs or gets embarassed in the first round.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Of all the years to tank, this is it, and sadly, we'll finish 12th because of Tortorella.

even with Torts this team isnt gunna finish that high..

this team will be worse then last year...

and NOT becuz of Torts, but because Fletch mangled the roster even harder then last year, which you would think would be impossible

 

[Winston Wolf]

Debrincat and Gaudreau just seem like unlikely targets to me. I'd more expect Cuck to give Nichushkin the Hayes contract if he can clear space.