2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Curufinwe]

I know you're a flyers fan but you aint half a miserable aren't ya.

Look in the mirror to see a miserable .

 

[Beef Invictus]

Atkinson as well, since Voracek for Atkinson was simply swapping bad contracts.


That's a Blackhawk fan wish list.

No you cannot blame Hextall for Atkinson. That's ridiculous.

Fletcher tends to grant wishes.

 

[ajgoal]

P. Myers to TB. Watch him flourish

I wonder if that's for his buyout. IIRC, there's a ~600 k credit this year, with that being given back next year.

 

[deadhead]

Don't want DeBrincat, much less give up major resources for him, given his salary (present and future)

Scoring 5x5, pp/60:
2.14, 2.36, 1.69, 2.25, 1.86
CF 53.34%, 49.35%, 48.15%, 45.23%, 47.93%; CFrel +1.74, +0.38, -0.48, +0.51, +4.18
xGF 49.03%, 46.02%, 47.48%, 43.82%, 48.78%; XGFrel -1.15, +0.89, +0.37, +0.96, +5.76
He scored 41 goals, but on 15.2% shooting, though his career average is 15.5%
He's a reliable goal scorer on the PP. Coming off his best season, you're buying high.

DeBrincat is a one trick pony, a very good goal scorer, but not an elite player.
He's a luxury item, worth adding to a good team that needs scoring, but not a player who would be a foundation piece.

The only kind of deal that would make senes to me would be something like Provorov/Atkinson where you shed salaries similar to what you'll have to pay, and have a cheap LHD to plug in for 3-4 years in York, then Zamula/Andrae.
But if I'm moving Provorov, it would be for a young 2C, not a sniper.

No you cannot blame Hextall for Atkinson. That's ridiculous.

Fletcher tends to grant wishes.

Hextall can be blamed for overpaying Voracek, whose contract was so bad Seattle wouldn't touch it.
Atkinson for Voracek was simply swapping contracts of equal size but different structure.

 

[1865]

With everything that has happened with Ellis since we acquired him I’m 100% convinced Nashville knew about his injury and we just didn’t do our due diligence.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Don't want DeBrincat, much less give up major resources for him, given his salary (present and future)

Scoring 5x5, pp/60:
2.14, 2.36, 1.69, 2.25, 1.86
CF 53.34%, 49.35%, 48.15%, 45.23%, 47.93%; CFrel +1.74, +0.38, -0.48, +0.51, +4.18
xGF 49.03%, 46.02%, 47.48%, 43.82%, 48.78%; XGFrel -1.15, +0.89, +0.37, +0.96, +5.76
He scored 41 goals, but on 15.2% shooting, though his career average is 15.5%
He's a reliable goal scorer on the PP. Coming off his best season, you're buying high.

DeBrincat is a one trick pony, a very good goal scorer, but not an elite player.
He's a luxury item, worth adding to a good team that needs scoring, but not a player who would be a foundation piece.

The only kind of deal that would make senes to me would be something like Provorov/Atkinson where you shed salaries similar to what you'll have to pay, and have a cheap LHD to plug in for 3-4 years in York, then Zamula/Andrae.
But if I'm moving Provorov, it would be for a young 2C, not a sniper.


Hextall can be blamed for overpaying Voracek, whose contract was so bad Seattle wouldn't touch it.
Atkinson for Voracek was simply swapping contracts of equal size but different structure.

Seattle left a ton of good players on the table. Their judgement means nothing. They're incompetent.

A good GM can move a contract, especially for a player as good as Voracek, without taking another contract back or spending picks to do it. Fletcher just isn't a good GM. And that isn't Hextall's fault.

Voracek for Atkinson wasn't the only possible move. It's one that Fletcher chose. The GM of a totally unrelated team did not make him do that.

 

[renberg]

If someone in the Flyers FO thinks that Debrincat and JG are on the same level so that if they miss on Gaudreau, Debrincat is a good plan B, they’re dumber than previously thought.

 

[deadhead]

Seattle left a ton of good players on the table. Their judgement means nothing. They're incompetent.

A good GM can move a contract, especially for a player as good as Voracek, without taking another contract back or spending picks to do it. Fletcher just isn't a good GM. And that isn't Hextall's fault.

Voracek for Atkinson wasn't the only possible move. It's one that Fletcher chose. The GM of a totally unrelated team did not make him do that.

Voracek wasn't $8.25M for 3 years good. Not even close, a 5x5 liability whose only value was as a playmaker on the PP.
Sorta the mirror image of JVR (passer instead of goal scorer), and JVR is hard to move at 1yr/$7M.

 

[bennysflyers16]

This Debrincat trade will be the new low in Chuckles team crippling moves.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Imagine being right there with the worst teams
In the NHL and then not make a pick in the first 2 rounds. And no one loses their jobs !!

 

[Ghosts Beer]

That would be a HORRID move.

Move like this is for what , hope you can get to 7th worst next year ?

Horrid?

 

[bennysflyers16]

Horrid?

Horrid
Awful
Crippling

Pick the adjective. Debrincat will be paid like Chicago , but will put up 60% of those totals here all while mortgaging the future.

This rumoured move will set the team back even further and will also cause future damage.

 

[trostol]

pretty sure we will be disappointed no matter what

i was gonna say take a shot every time Fletch does something stupid..but we'd all die of alcohol poisoning

 

[Starat327]

Horrid
Awful
Crippling

Pick the adjective. Debrincat will be paid like Chicago , but will put up 60% of those totals here all while mortgaging the future.

This rumoured move will set the team back even further and will also cause future damage.

It'll be even cooler when they can't agree a contract and they just qualify him for a year, taking him right to FA.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

That would be a HORRID move.

Move like this is for what , hope you can get to 7th worst next year ?

If they add DeBrincat and Gaudreau, where do we finish? I’d say they pick around 12ish

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Everyone always focuses on Charles drafting York over Caufield.

He also traded down from 11 with Boldy still on the board.

 

[bennysflyers16]

If they add DeBrincat and Gaudreau, where do we finish? I’d say they pick around 12ish

Those 2 just scream Torts players. Lol

It is possible we have no 1st or 2nd this year or next year. Like a legit possibility.

 

[Magua]

DeBrincat is not a one dimensional player, and he’s very good, but he is just not a superstar, like Gaudreau. End of discussion. Paying him as such — twice in trade and contract — stinks of desperation. Leave it to Chicago to do to us what Columbus did to them with Jones.

Smart teams trade bottom 6 players and 2nd rounders for Buchnevich, who is better than DeBrincat. Dumb teams? Well……something something bias for action.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Those 2 just scream Torts players. Lol

It is possible we have no 1st or 2nd this year or next year. Like a legit possibility.

I’ll be honest, I think if they get Gaudreau and DeBrincat, and a healthy Coots the team is a lot better….

But… Ellis prob ain’t playing again. Farabee will be lucky to come back before Thanksgiving. It’s not worth the investment.

DeBrincat is not a one dimensional player, and he’s very good, but he is just not a superstar, like Gaudreau. End of discussion. Paying him as such — twice in trade and contract — stinks of desperation. Leave it to Chicago to do to us what Columbus did to them with Jones.

Smart teams trade bottom 6 players and 2nd rounders for Buchnevich. Dumb teams? Well……

To be fair, 40 goal scorers do not grow on trees. I think we might be underrating DeBrincat a tad. And he’s only 24 with a December birthday. I still think he pots 40 here or somewhere else next year

 

[Magua]

To be fair, 40 goal scorers do not grow on trees. I think we might be underrating DeBrincat a tad. And he’s only 24 with a December birthday. I still think he pots 40 here or somewhere else next year

Oh, I have no doubt Fletcher is fantasizing over a sniper. But you can’t separate Kane being on the ice for 3/4 of his points. We have no one that offensively talented. Something tells me pairing him with Hayes and Laughton, and playing on a dysfunctional PP, won’t net the same results. As I said, DeBrincat is a very good. He’s not a franchise player that I pay through the nose twice over. I don’t want to pay DeBrincat $9+ mil for 8 years on top of the absurd haul of a 5th overall and at least 1 other high value asset.

The 4th worst team in the NHL having no 13th and 5th overall picks, and no 2nd rounders for back to back years (essentially robbing themselves of any possible avenue for quantity in this theoretical trade), is just the stuff of hilarity. Ristolainen and DeBrincat being your center pieces for that just doesn’t cut it for me. I’d rather get Gaudreau 100/100 than this option, if this team wants to go all in on myopia.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

if they get Gaudreau and DeBrincat

How are they doing this? Even if you dump JVR without retention or salary coming back, then sign Gaudreau at 9, that leaves you with ~4.8 in cap space if you go cheap on the depth and roster all of Brink, N. Cates, York, Attard, and Seeler.

You also have 10 F, 7 D, and 1 G with Frost, Tippett, and Laczynski unsigned. Add MacEwen or Ratcliffe to that if you think they matter. If Fedotov reports, you can add him at 925k. I'll gladly defer to anyone else on the likelihood of that last bit.

Even a straight Atkinson dump doesn't really get you to where you would want to be. I believe it would take at least one of (Atkinson/Konecny/Provorov/Sanheim) and one of (Laughton/Lindblom) being reduced to a minimum salary.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Horrid
Awful
Crippling

Pick the adjective. Debrincat will be paid like Chicago , but will put up 60% of those totals here all while mortgaging the future.

This rumoured move will set the team back even further and will also cause future damage.

Crippling? To add a 24 year old 40 goal scorer for a fistful of rain? Disagree.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Not sure what is the worst thing I saw today. The fact this team is looking to sell the farm for another RH, shoot first winger, or that someone claims York is an untouchable.

The cheat code in this league is ELC performers. That's their only way to relevancy again. You can't keep shipping out top 45 picks and expect to stay competitive. The rent is due.

 

[BiggE]

How are they doing this? Even if you dump JVR without retention or salary coming back, then sign Gaudreau at 9, that leaves you with ~4.8 in cap space if you go cheap on the depth and roster all of Brink, N. Cates, York, Attard, and Seeler.

You also have 10 F, 7 D, and 1 G with Frost, Tippett, and Laczynski unsigned. Add MacEwen or Ratcliffe to that if you think they matter. If Fedotov reports, you can add him at 925k. I'll gladly defer to anyone else on the likelihood of that last bit.

Even a straight Atkinson dump doesn't really get you to where you would want to be. I believe it would take at least one of (Atkinson/Konecny/Provorov/Sanheim) and one of (Laughton/Lindblom) being reduced to a minimum salary.

Unless they start dealing guys like TK and one of Provy/Sanheim, there is no way they can sign both. Sadly, I can absolutely see Cuck doing just that.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Crippling? To add a 24 year old 40 goal scorer for a fistful of rain? Disagree.

This years 1st
Next years top 10 pick
Young players
8 mill
In caps space.

Yea crippling , and like every other player in the NHL , he will regress and not put up those numbers with Kevin Hayes. We don’t have a Patty Kane here.