2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Rebels57]

Oiler fan comes in peace I was just lurking Cap Friendly and noticed Couturier and Ellis are listed under IR, what is the extent of their injuries are they serious?

Ellis has no intention of playing for the Flyers

 

[Fight4yourRight]

This roster would mean Allison, Laczynski and Ratcliffe all going on waivers.

not like they ever play, anyway

Different au

Ellis has no intention of playing for the Flyers

All seemed to snowball. Remember all those reports of him and Provorov spending so much time together trying to get to know each other knowing they’d be playing the season on the same pair? It was repeatedly reported. It seems as though both of them went through some kind of separation anxiety/depression when Ellis was hurt and neither one recovered. Mental midgets. Of course, it also seemed very much apparent that Ellis wasn’t necessarily pumped to play here over staying in Nashville.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

This roster would mean Allison, Laczynski and Ratcliffe all going on waivers.

It’s a crappy lineup.

According to CF Allison and Laczynski do not require waivers being waiver exempt but Ratcliffe does require waivers in 22-23.

All 3 players are RFA’s

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

Pre draft - free agency crap lineup.

Line 1 LW Van Riemsdyk C Couturier RW Atkinson
Line 2 LW Laughton C Hayes RW Konecny
Line 3 LW Lindblom C Frost RW Brink
Line 4 LW N. Cates C Brown RW Tippett

1st Pair LD Provorov RD Attard
2nd Pair LD Sanheim RD Ristolainen
3rd Pair LD York RD Seeler

Goalies:
Starter: Hart
Backup: Sandstrom

Scratches:
RW MacEwen
G Fedotov < ???
LW Farabee + Spinal Surgery 3-4 months
RD Ellis + LTIR

Much work to be done to retool this roster as many spots should be filled by better players outside of the organization.

Flyers need just about everything with the exception of RW. Right Defense is probably the biggest need.

wow, brutal lineup

and without a single elite prospect in the system

It’s a crappy lineup.

According to CF Allison and Laczynski do not require waivers being waiver exempt but Ratcliffe does require waivers in 22-23.

All 3 players are RFA’s

But, Deadhead always marks down alison, lacysnki and ratcliffe as legit 3rd and 4th line guys. i think he has Alison as a 2nd line guy.
We have so much depth because of guys like this, right

in reality, you'd be lucky to have one of these guys be a decent player for about a 2 season period

 

[deadhead]

Pre draft - free agency crap lineup.

Line 1 LW Van Riemsdyk C Couturier RW Atkinson
Line 2 LW Laughton C Hayes RW Konecny
Line 3 LW Lindblom C Frost RW Brink
Line 4 LW N. Cates C Brown RW Tippett

1st Pair LD Provorov RD Attard
2nd Pair LD Sanheim RD Ristolainen
3rd Pair LD York RD Seeler

Goalies:
Starter: Hart
Backup: Sandstrom

Scratches:
RW MacEwen
G Fedotov < ???
LW Farabee + Spinal Surgery 3-4 months
RD Ellis + LTIR

Much work to be done to retool this roster as many spots should be filled by better players outside of the organization.

Flyers need just about everything with the exception of RW. Right Defense is probably the biggest need.

JVR is almost certainly gone this summer. And Farabee should be back before the end of October.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Laughton/Lindblom - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Lindblom/Ratcliffe - Laughton/Laczynski - Allison
[Willman, Hodgson, Brown, Sandin]
(Brink, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell start at LHV)

That is not a "crappy" 12, some questions but some guys with upside as well
1) Lindblom - showed flashes last year, can he take another step up a year longer from cancer treatments?
2) Brink struggled in his cameo, but he was dominant playing high level college hockey, how fast will he adjust to the NHL?
3) will Torts keep that 3rd line together as his "energy" line?

Provorov - Attard
Sanheim - Risto
York - Hogberg/Seeler
(Wylie, Millman, Ginning at LHV)

If Ellis can't play, RHD will be the offseason priority, but it depends on the draft, if they take one of the two RHDs, then they'll look at a short-term patch. York might alternate with Attard on the 1st pair.

Don't see them having any interest in McDonagh, too old, too expensive and a LHD.
Given that Risto and Attard are big bois, they might go with a mobile RHD.
The ideal move would be JVR for an overpaid veteran RHD with 1-2 years on his deal, clearing cap room and filling a hole.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

That’s a terrible lineup, Dead. Attard on your first pairing? Jesus. And at least several of the players you have slotted in will either still be injured/rehabbing or will inevitably get injured during or shortly after TC

 

[Maurice of Orange]

unless their planning on trading Provy or Sanheim .... which with this org is likely.... we flat our suck.. go for the f***ing high first in 2023.... I like Torts but it makes no fuc*** sense with this shitty roster..

Knowing the Flyers luck, they’d tank dead last only to get passed over in the draft lottery missing out on Connor Bedard, just to pick Matvei Michkov 2nd overall, only for him to get arrested when he leaves Russia to join the team for training camp.

That’s just the Flyers luck, because as fans we can’t have a normal operating team.

 

[Adam Warlock]

ASF, “I don’t think Ellis plays this season. Or in the first half of this season. Ellis is not close, bad injury that’s not getting better”

“Plan is to put him on LTIR when able. Team wanted him to get surgery, he doesn’t”

“They don’t want to say more about his health condition until after making moves. Scared it would hurt their negotiating efforts”

Lol this dude in a wheelchair or what.

ASF told us all that Fletcher hated Torts and that an outside organization conducted the coach search/interviews without Fletchers involvement. That was all not true. He also was wrong about the G trade deadline saga.

We are on the eve of the draft/free agency...writers want lots of moves so they have something to report on. Teasing Ellis being on LTIR allows them to wildly speculate big aquisitions to keep fan interest up in their content. Happens every year...esp with so many anonymous "insider" accounts...everyone is fighting for attention.

One thing about Fletcher is hes an open book. Hes good guy chuck. I dont see him lying to the media about Ellis. I think its too early to tell where hes at.

I agree with Charlie... if in a couple weeks Freidman and co start tweeting about Flyers interest in guys like Petry or Letang...then we will know.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Buzzwords: Check

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Buzzwords: Check

Identity had a checkmark, but the Flyers no longer have an identity also with all these gingers the Flyers have, they won’t have no soul either.

 

[TB87]

Identity had a checkmark, but the Flyers no longer have an identity also with all these gingers the Flyers have, they won’t have no soul either.

As a ginger (who also has no soul), I approve this message.

 

[deadhead]

That’s a terrible lineup, Dead. Attard on your first pairing? Jesus. And at least several of the players you have slotted in will either still be injured/rehabbing or will inevitably get injured during or shortly after TC

It's not a terrible lineup, it's actually not that different from 2-3 years ago.

Attard wouldn't really be on the first pair, it would be more like Braun. Attard - who looked very good in a SSS paired with Provorov - and York is top 4 quality (in a SSS he was up there with Fox as a top D-zone exit guy). Both would be upgrades over Braun in that role. The big question is #6, but that's a lot easier to fill.

They have more depth (they had good depth last year but an unprecedented level of injuries), both short-term fill-ins and real prospects at LHV (I'll take this group over Twarynski, Bunnman, Kase, Rubtsov, Sushko the last two seasons) at forward. Defense is thinner with Ellis out, but not playing Yandle is a big improvement. That's where I see Fletcher adding a player.

Injuries are always a concern, but Hayes finished strong, Laczynski and Allison played 28 games for LHV to finish the season, Couts seems to be fine, Farabee's timeline is October.

And there's the Torts effect: I don't expect miracles, but this team was discombobulated last season, horrible special teams, inconsistent 5x5 play - Torts will install structure and discipline on this team. And that will help the young players, nothing worse that joining a NHL team where everyone is skating like a chicken with its head cut off.

 

[BiggE]

It's not a terrible lineup, it's actually not that different from 2-3 years ago.

Attard wouldn't really be on the first pair, it would be more like Braun. Attard - who looked very good in a SSS paired with Provorov - and York is top 4 quality (in a SSS he was up there with Fox as a top D-zone exit guy). Both would be upgrades over Braun in that role. The big question is #6, but that's a lot easier to fill.

They have more depth (they had good depth last year but an unprecedented level of injuries), both short-term fill-ins and real prospects at LHV (I'll take this group over Twarynski, Bunnman, Kase, Rubtsov, Sushko the last two seasons) at forward. Defense is thinner with Ellis out, but not playing Yandle is a big improvement. That's where I see Fletcher adding a player.

Injuries are always a concern, but Hayes finished strong, Laczynski and Allison played 28 games for LHV to finish the season, Couts seems to be fine, Farabee's timeline is October.

And there's the Torts effect: I don't expect miracles, but this team was discombobulated last season, horrible special teams, inconsistent 5x5 play - Torts will install structure and discipline on this team. And that will help the young players, nothing worse that joining a NHL team where everyone is skating like a chicken with its head cut off.

 

[deadhead]

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I wish. Can't get good drugs anymore.

Things are rarely as good or bad as they look.
And the Flyers may not have a lot of uber-talents, but they have a lot of young players who flashed promise post-draft.
Someone like York is underestimated b/c he's not flashy, but so far he's seems to be very efficient.

 

[BiggE]

I wish. Can't get good drugs anymore.

Things are rarely as good or bad as they look.
And the Flyers may not have a lot of uber-talents, but they have a lot of young players who flashed promise post-draft.
Someone like York is underestimated b/c he's not flashy, but so far he's seems to be very efficient.

Every team has prospects like Attard, Zamula, Cates, Lacyzinski, Allison etc.. they are dime a dozen players. Outside of York, Foerster is the only prospect with a chance (50/50 at best) to be significantly better than average.

You really need to either stop trolling or stop deluding yourself.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Identity had a checkmark, but the Flyers no longer have an identity also with all these gingers the Flyers have, they won’t have no soul either.

They also don’t have a path or a plan. Throwing feces on the wall is neither

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’m sorry, you can’t claim that the 21/22 Flyers had good depth but at the same time claim that the Avalanche didn’t.

It’s preposterous.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Pre draft - free agency crap lineup.

Line 1 LW Van Riemsdyk C Couturier RW Atkinson
Line 2 LW Laughton C Hayes RW Konecny
Line 3 LW Lindblom C Frost RW Brink
Line 4 LW N. Cates C Brown RW Tippett

1st Pair LD Provorov RD Attard
2nd Pair LD Sanheim RD Ristolainen
3rd Pair LD York RD Seeler

Goalies:
Starter: Hart
Backup: Sandstrom

Scratches:
RW MacEwen
G Fedotov < ???
LW Farabee + Spinal Surgery 3-4 months
RD Ellis + LTIR

Much work to be done to retool this roster as many spots should be filled by better players outside of the organization.

Flyers need just about everything with the exception of RW. Right Defense is probably the biggest need.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I’m sorry, you can’t claim that the 21/22 Flyers had good depth but at the same time claim that the Avalanche didn’t.

It’s preposterous.

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

I wish. Can't get good drugs anymore.

Things are rarely as good or bad as they look.
And the Flyers may not have a lot of uber-talents, but they have a lot of young players who flashed promise post-draft.
Someone like York is underestimated b/c he's not flashy, but so far he's seems to be very efficient.

"things aren't as good or bad,,, its neither left or right its always the middle, its always shades of gray,, blah blaH

just cliches to say nothing, while attempting to make yourself look like the reasonable, and intelligent person

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I’m sorry, you can’t claim that the 21/22 Flyers had good depth but at the same time claim that the Avalanche didn’t.

It’s preposterous.

No no no, maybe he has a point

PHI puts disappointing Aube-Kubel on waivers




I hate everything

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I guess I'm higher on attard then most. I'm fine with pairing provy and attard, they looked to mesh very well together, keep sanhiem with dumbass, I mean risto, york and hogzilla would be a fine 3rd pair, a bit on the smaller side, but definitely more than capable, but I definitely do think attard can be a fine top 4 dman. He's gonna have his hiccups obviously, but there's no reason for him to start with the phantoms when he's shown he can hold his own on philly, again just my opinion, but I actually agree with deadhead that attard is more than capable and not a joke playing with provy, do I think he's a top pair guy? No, top 4, yes

 

[deadhead]

I’m sorry, you can’t claim that the 21/22 Flyers had good depth but at the same time claim that the Avalanche didn’t.

It’s preposterous.

Flyers did before they lost Couts, Hayes, Laczynski/Brassard, Laughton for a stretch, Allison, etc.
They thought they had this lineup to start the season:
G - Couts - TK
JVR - Hayes - Atkinson
Farabee - Laughton - Allison
Lindblom - Brassard/Frost - NAK
Thompson, Brown

By Feb 1, they had this group of forwards:
JVR - G - TK
Lindblom - Laughton - Atkinson
Willman - Frost - Mayhew
Ratcliffe - Bunnaman - MacEwen

April 2:
JVR - Farabee - TK
Lindblom - Hayes - Atkinson
N Cates - Frost - Tippett
Thompson - Brown - MacEwen

 

[kudymen]

The 29th team in the league had better depth than the Cup winning team before they lost Sean Couturier, Kevin Hayes, Laczynski/Derrick Brassard, Scott Laughton for a stretch, Wade Allison. Haha. Sometimes I can't believe how lucky is Joe Sakic, especially when you also remember he claims useless players from waivers.

 

[deadhead]

The 29th team in the league had better depth than the Cup winning team before they lost Sean Couturier, Kevin Hayes, Laczynski/Derrick Brassard, Scott Laughton for a stretch, Wade Allison. Haha. Sometimes I can't believe how lucky is Joe Sakic, especially when you also remember he claims useless players from waivers.

He also added Strum and Cogliano for the playoffs, Bednar benched Newhook to start the playoffs and benched NAK even with Burakovsky injured to end the playoffs.

Now if the Flyers traded Rubtsov and ??? for Strum, we'd have pages about adding a JAG from Minnesota.
If the Flyers added Cogliano for a 5th rd pick, we'd have pages about how they added a washed up JAG.

You think NAK would have looked any better than he did in 2020-21 with Bunnaman and Brown as his centers, and Yandle-Seeler as his primary D-pairing? Just look at his Colorado metrics with and without Makar - Makar makes that big of a difference, even for scrubs.

I don't miss NAK anymore than I'll miss MacEwen this season. Scrubs is scrubs.