2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[AdamParrot]

Neither was Couts. Injuries do that to you.

When you look at the first two months of 2021 and the last two months of 2022, you get a glimpse of what "healthy" Hayes could be:
46g 14-24 38 - pro rates to 25-43 68
Now I doubt you'll get that for a full season, but year before he signed
71g 19-36 55, 1st season 69g 23-18 41.
So 20+ goal, 50+ points isn't unreasonable, which is solid 2C production.

It'll be interesting to see the impact of Tort's emphasis on conditioning has on injuries.

Coots, at that time he played, he was.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well I ain't buying it in any way he had a hand in any roster decision. Yandle signed because Chuck was likely the only idiot to give him a guarantee to break that record. Nothing more imo.

The Cam trade was just a hockey trade. Do not think there were any other options available he liked and he wanted to move Jake. Again don't think Hayes had any part in it at all.

Yandle flat-out said Hayes talked him into it and it was a factor. That Fletcher still lost the negotiations isn't surprising though.

I think you have blinders on here. The team has been pushing Hayes as the face of the franchise since he was signed. They have an obsession with him. Chuck, who is obsessed with worthless Intangibles, would absolutely consult his Prime Culture Acquisition when going about changing the culture.

 

[Beef Invictus]

wat

Team needed to get him out long ago.

 

[BiggE]

wat

Cuck will be re-signing Jones today.

 

[Rebels57]

Nothing. The compensation is baked in at the trade deadline. JVR for Seattle’s 7th in 2024. Seattle deals JVR with retention at the TDL for a 2 or more likely a 3 at the TDL.

This is how it SHOULD go down and how a semi-functioning GM would negotiate it - but we have Chucky Two Trades at the helm

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Yandle flat-out said Hayes talked him into it and it was a factor. That Fletcher still lost the negotiations isn't surprising though.

I think you have blinders on here. The team has been pushing Hayes as the face of the franchise since he was signed. They have an obsession with him. Chuck, who is obsessed with worthless Intangibles, would absolutely consult his Prime Culture Acquisition when going about changing the culture.

No blinders. I able to curb my dislike for the GM by not creating false narratives that Hayes had a hand in roster decisions.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No blinders. I able to curb my dislike for the GM by not creating false narratives that Hayes had a hand in roster decisions.

So it's simply a coincidence that most of the prominent acquisitions last year were his friends? And that this happened more than once, in one offseason where a goal was remaking the locker room.

That's a huge stretch.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Cuck will be re-signing Jones today.

probably why the re-signed Sandstrum. Also probably why he re-signed as well. Was odd to me he wanted to come back knowing Fedotov was on board.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

So it's simply a coincidence that most of the prominent acquisitions last year were his friends? And that this happened more than once, in one offseason where a goal was remaking the locker room.

That's a huge stretch.

It's a huge stretch you saying with zero evidence Hayes had a hand in constructing the roster. Yandle was a prominent acquisition?

I laid my reasons out on why they acquired those players. You feel differently. Next topic.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's a huge stretch you saying with zero evidence Hayes had a hand in constructing the roster. Yandle was a prominent acquisition?

I laid my reasons out on why they acquired those players. You feel differently. Next topic.

Yandle became part of the Hayes media blitz, yeah. That was prominent. Their friendship was highlighted repeatedly.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Yandle became part of the Hayes media blitz, yeah. That was prominent. Their friendship was highlighted repeatedly.

Ellis, Risto, Cam were the main pieces acquired. Yandle was not in any way a prominent piece.

Wonder how Chuck was even able to sign Yandle seeing Clarke and Holmgren still running things.....

 

[Starat327]

Feels like there's a lot more alt accounts since the last time I frequented here.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Feels like there's a lot more alt accounts since the last time I frequented here.

It's the Summer. We always get new people coming in.

 

[Starat327]

It's the Summer. We always get new people coming in.

"new people"

 

[renberg]

Yandle became part of the Hayes media blitz, yeah. That was prominent. Their friendship was highlighted repeatedly.

This was a the last straw for me. I was willing to overlook the way he skated into town and assumed a role over G and Coots. Also his blind eyed play on the ice.
However when he complained about Yandle being mistreated for being benched after he had the Iron Man streak was a bridge too far. His BFF had been coddled for the entire season and received unwarranted PT. On merit he never should have had the opportunity to break the record. Florida was correct in benching him in the POs during the previous season. Ingratitude is a terrible thing. Yandle got his gift. He and Hayes should have just been quiet about things and been grateful for what they had received.

 

[deadhead]

So it's simply a coincidence that most of the prominent acquisitions last year were his friends? And that this happened more than once, in one offseason where a goal was remaking the locker room.

That's a huge stretch.

Yeah, I mean it's not like they played for AV in NY. That obviously had nothing to do with it.
Brassard wasn't added until Laczynski went down, after the big FA signing period in July. Last forward standing.

This was a the last straw for me. I was willing to overlook the way he skated into town and assumed a role over G and Coots. Also his blind eyed play on the ice.
However when he complained about Yandle being mistreated for being benched after he had the Iron Man streak was a bridge too far. His BFF had been coddled for the entire season and received unwarranted PT. On merit he never should have had the opportunity to break the record. Florida was correct in benching him in the POs during the previous season. Ingratitude is a terrible thing. Yandle got his gift. He and Hayes should have just been quiet about things and been grateful for what they had received.

That's just silly, Hayes lost his brother, had an injury that threatened his career, and Yandle was his BFF and a major part of his support system.

So you're going to knock Hayes for being loyal?
Most people appreciate friends that stick by them.
It's not like Hayes pouted or did anything but express support for a friend.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Cuck will be re-signing Jones today.

Thank God. Imagine if there was an injury somewhere in the organization and someone other than Martin Jones had to play more, especially if they were effectively eliminated from playoff contention in both the NHL and AHL and there was like 20 games left in the season.

 

[renberg]

Yeah, I mean it's not like they played for AV in NY. That obviously had nothing to do with it.
Brassard wasn't added until Laczynski went down, after the big FA signing period in July. Last forward standing.


That's just silly, Hayes lost his brother, had an injury that threatened his career, and Yandle was his BFF and a major part of his support system.

So you're going to knock Hayes for being loyal?
Most people appreciate friends that stick by them.
It's not like Hayes pouted or did anything but express support for a friend.

Off of the ice friendships and their influence is one thing. I'm sorry that Hayes lost his brother. Yet that had nothing to do with the Flyers.
However I'll knock Hayes for extending his loyalty to the point that it affected the play of the team on the ice. Yandle was about as bad of a defenseman as I've seen in O&B since 1967. He cost the team goals and wins. The guy deserved to be in the press box for bad play long before it happened. Aside from that his PT got in the way of others who were more deserving. Stuff like that causes dissension in a locker room.

 

[DancingPanther]

This team is a dumpster fire. Even if, by some near miracle, Farabee, Couts and Hayes get and stay healthy and all play 75+ games, this is at best a 88-92 point team that will miss the playoffs and will picking in the 12-15 range. And that’s best case.

But at least we will always have the great highlight of the past decade, the 2020 Round Robin Cup.

Yay team

Yeah, you can take 15 points off that projection. They're a 75 point team at absolute best and healthy. They have 3-4 guys who are plus transition players. Frost is the next best they have, and then there's literal garbage beneath him.

But they're not even healthy. They're a 60 point team

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, I mean it's not like they played for AV in NY. That obviously had nothing to do with it.
Brassard wasn't added until Laczynski went down, after the big FA signing period in July. Last forward standing.


That's just silly, Hayes lost his brother, had an injury that threatened his career, and Yandle was his BFF and a major part of his support system.

So you're going to knock Hayes for being loyal?
Most people appreciate friends that stick by them.
It's not like Hayes pouted or did anything but express support for a friend.

Atkinson and Jones didn't play for AV, and when Yandle was in NY AV had no idea how to use him. And then Yandler remained a roster player with Hayes as his public defender after AV was fired.

There isn't this much thick smoke without fire.

 

[deadhead]

Atkinson and Jones didn't play for AV, and when Yandle was in NY AV had no idea how to use him. And then Yandler remained a roster player with Hayes as his public defender after AV was fired.

There isn't this much thick smoke without fire.

Atkinson's acquisition had nothing to do with Hayes, AV wanted to dump Voracek, and the only way to do so was to find a forward with a matching salary. Seattle could have claimed Voracek in the ED, which just shows he had negative value with that contract.

Jones was the only decent goalie who'd sign a one year deal to backup Hart. Fletcher didn't want to sign a veteran goalie to a multi-year deal that might block the young goalies.

Of course Hayes defended Yandle, but if you think Hayes had any power to keep Yandle in the lineup . . .

Inventing conspiracy theories and ignoring Occam's razor.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Atkinson's acquisition had nothing to do with Hayes, AV wanted to dump Voracek, and the only way to do so was to find a forward with a matching salary. Seattle could have claimed Voracek in the ED, which just shows he had negative value with that contract.

Jones was the only decent goalie who'd sign a one year deal to backup Hart. Fletcher didn't want to sign a veteran goalie to a multi-year deal that might block the young goalies.

Of course Hayes defended Yandle, but if you think Hayes had any power to keep Yandle in the lineup . . .

Inventing conspiracy theories and ignoring Occam's razor.

Yeah much adieu about nothing. Trying to connect dots that aren't there imo.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Starat327]

LOL

OK, which one of you clowns is Charlie in disguise? Id like to direct you to the "honest feedback" thread.

 

[ajgoal]

Yeah. The Flyers have a GM. That alone is a big plus for San Jose.