2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[ajgoal]

Nothing. The compensation is baked in at the trade deadline. JVR for Seattle’s 7th in 2024. Seattle deals JVR with retention at the TDL for a 2 or more likely a 3 at the TDL.

I can't see why Seattle would do that though. Why take on a contract from the Flyers, who desperately believe they NEED to clear cap space, for free? Yes, Seattle can get compensation when they trade him later, but why not get it twice? They'd be helping the Flyers out, no reason not to get paid for it in the process.

On day 1 of the regular season, do they need to have a minimum amount of skaters? Or no?

IIRC, on day one, they need to have a full game roster (18+2). They don't have to have the additional players they are permitted to carry.

 

[Curufinwe]

All these critiques and concerns regarding Tortorella sound more fitting of Kevin Hayes, despite the gushing. He's always come and go, but he put in a masterclass of lazy uninspired play the last few months of the season. It was the type of culture building, veteran leadership deserving of the 4th worst team.

Hayes came back on March 5th after having his adductor drained of fluid, and led the team in scoring with 22 points in 28 games. If was Hayes was lazy he could have just sat out the last two months.

TK was 2nd with 20.

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[Curufinwe]

See Dancing Panther’s post on the subject

This post has real "Covid vaccines don't work, see Joe Rogan's podcast" vibes.

 

[FLYguy3911]

He was also one of the worst defensive players during that time period also.

 

[AdamParrot]

I'm laughing a lot about this team, lol....

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Hayes came back on March 5th after having his adductor drained of fluid, and led the team in scoring with 22 points in 28 games. If was Hayes was lazy he could have just sat out the last two months.

TK was 2nd with 20.

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I thought Hayes was decent after he came back I guess what was the 2nd time? Or the 3rd time? It seems like Hayes has been centric in the press conferences so far. Stating the obvious - but I think the Flyers retool mindset is them banking on Kevin returning to a 50/55 point (82 game pace) scorer. If this team is competitive, it's because Hayes/Coots are key clogs in the middle. That's fair logic.

Should we bank on a full return to health and performance? I truly have my doubts

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Hayes came back on March 5th after having his adductor drained of fluid, and led the team in scoring with 22 points in 28 games. If was Hayes was lazy he could have just sat out the last two months.

TK was 2nd with 20.

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I do not get the Hayes hate. Guess an agenda. Overpaid, yes he is no doubt. People act like he is some stiff who offers nothing.

What's with the Cevin stuff? What am I missing?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hayes is a good player and a legit #2 NHL center in a league where that position is at a premium.

People mock the way he looks. That tells you all you need to know about the ridiculous agenda against him.

 

[deadhead]

Hayes looked healthy to me down the stretch, first time he skated well since March 2021, when he was injured and tried to play though it.
Now I think Torts will ride Hayes, not b/c he's "lazy," but b/c at times he seems to lose focus and glide, and he'll push Hayes to be in the best shape of his career.

If Couts and Hayes are 100%, that makes a huge difference. Frost gets a full season to develop his game on a "speed line" without pressure, the 4th line becomes an opportunity to audition young prospects. Four months for Farabee is the end of October, so he'll only miss a handful of games if there are no setbacks. The other question is whether Lindblom can bounce back further another year from cancer, he'll be 26 this season, not exactly ancient.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Lindblom - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe, Laughton, Laczynski, Allison
[Brown, Willman, Hodgson, Sandin injury call-ups]
Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell playing every day in LHV

 

[AdamParrot]

Hayes is a good player and a legit #2 NHL center in a league where that position is at a premium.

People mock the way he looks. That tells you all you need to know about the ridiculous agenda against him.

Hayes was not legit #2 center this year. We'll see in next seasons.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Hayes is a good player and a legit #2 NHL center in a league where that position is at a premium.

People mock the way he looks. That tells you all you need to know about the ridiculous agenda against him.

People mock him because he's shoved down our throats. If a player like Kevin Hayes is the face of your franchise you're a dog shit franchise.

Kevin Hayes may be a #2 NHL center but in no way is he a "legit" one on a team that has any hopes and prayers.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hayes was not legit #2 center this year. We'll see in next seasons.

He was hurt. It happens.

 

[Curufinwe]

If Hayes comes back to be a 50 point player, it would not surprise me.

Stamkos came back to be a 100 point player this season after multiple core injuries slowed him down in 2020 and 2021. He was hurt right before the pandemic, famously came back to play one period in the Cup Finals, and then only managed to play 38 out of 56 games in the 2021 regular season, but returned for the playoffs.

Lightning’s Steven Stamkos placed on long-term injured reserve

He has a lower-body injury that will keep him out until at least May 5.

www.tampabay.com

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm laughing a lot about this team, lol....

I was told Tortorella would order Fletcher to replace MacEwen with an up and coming youth

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I was told Tortorella would order Fletcher to replace MacEwen with an up and coming youth

What if I told you Zack MacEwen IS up and coming youth?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Hayes looked healthy to me down the stretch, first time he skated well since March 2021, when he was injured and tried to play though it.
Now I think Torts will ride Hayes, not b/c he's "lazy," but b/c at times he seems to lose focus and glide, and he'll push Hayes to be in the best shape of his career.

If Couts and Hayes are 100%, that makes a huge difference. Frost gets a full season to develop his game on a "speed line" without pressure, the 4th line becomes an opportunity to audition young prospects. Four months for Farabee is the end of October, so he'll only miss a handful of games if there are no setbacks. The other question is whether Lindblom can bounce back further another year from cancer, he'll be 26 this season, not exactly ancient.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Lindblom - Hayes - Atkinson
Cates - Frost - Tippett
Ratcliffe, Laughton, Laczynski, Allison
[Brown, Willman, Hodgson, Sandin injury call-ups]
Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell playing every day in LHV

a non playoff lineup. Nothing to get excited about in any way.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I do not get the Hayes hate. Guess an agenda. Overpaid, yes he is no doubt. People act like he is some stiff who offers nothing.

What's with the Cevin stuff? What am I missing?

The Cevin stuff is mockery of the PR blitz that attempts to make him the face of the franchise, despite Couturier and at the time Giroux existing.

Oh, also mockery of the way the team built last off-season by just asking Kev who all his friends were then brought them in.

 

[BiggE]

This team is a dumpster fire. Even if, by some near miracle, Farabee, Couts and Hayes get and stay healthy and all play 75+ games, this is at best a 88-92 point team that will miss the playoffs and will picking in the 12-15 range. And that’s best case.

But at least we will always have the great highlight of the past decade, the 2020 Round Robin Cup.

Yay team

 

[deadhead]

Hayes was not legit #2 center this year. We'll see in next seasons.

Neither was Couts. Injuries do that to you.

When you look at the first two months of 2021 and the last two months of 2022, you get a glimpse of what "healthy" Hayes could be:
46g 14-24 38 - pro rates to 25-43 68
Now I doubt you'll get that for a full season, but year before he signed
71g 19-36 55, 1st season 69g 23-18 41.
So 20+ goal, 50+ points isn't unreasonable, which is solid 2C production.

It'll be interesting to see the impact of Tort's emphasis on conditioning has on injuries.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The Cevin stuff is mockery of the PR blitz that attempts to make him the face of the franchise, despite Couturier and at the time Giroux existing.

Oh, also mockery of the way the team built last off-season by just asking Kev who all his friends were then brought them in.

So Hayes was asked who they should acquire? You really believe he had any input in roster choices? Chuck is a clown, though do not believe that in any way Hayes had a voice in who they should acquire.

There is no face of the franchise. Hasnt been for while imo.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So Hayes was asked who they should acquire? You really believe he had any input in roster choices? Chuck is a clown, though do not believe that in any way Hayes had a voice in who they should acquire.

There is no face of the franchise. Hasnt been for while imo.

A major thing they trumpeted was rebuilding the locker room culture. They then just "happened" to target a bunch of Hayes' good buddies.

And yeah, Hayes was definitely part of the process. It wasn't just one move. It was several prominent ones. It's not a coincidence.

Familiar faces on Flyers play a role in Yandle, Jones signings

Flyers signed a pair of veterans on the first day of free agency: defenseman Keith Yandle and goaltender Martin Jones

www.buckscountycouriertimes.com

Fletcher places insane value on role fulfillment for its own sake and intangibles. It's within reason that this was deliberate and not coincidence. That it happened even more than once also makes it impossible to be coincidence. With these people it is never accident, it is always incompetence and bad process.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm not sure I can trust someone that doesn't have any disdain for Cevin just simply for the fact that that the Flyers marketing team refers to Carter Hart has Cahtah Haht.

Everything beyond that? Sure, give or take the guy but that atrocity can not go unrecognized.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

A major thing they trumpeted was rebuilding the locker room culture. They then just "happened" to target a bunch of Hayes' good buddies.

And yeah, Hayes was definitely part of the process. It wasn't just one move. It was several prominent ones. It's not a coincidence.

Familiar faces on Flyers play a role in Yandle, Jones signings

Flyers signed a pair of veterans on the first day of free agency: defenseman Keith Yandle and goaltender Martin Jones

www.buckscountycouriertimes.com

Well I ain't buying it in any way he had a hand in any roster decision. Yandle signed because Chuck was likely the only idiot to give him a guarantee to break that record. Nothing more imo.

The Cam trade was just a hockey trade. Do not think there were any other options available he liked and he wanted to move Jake. Again don't think Hayes had any part in it at all.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm not sure I can trust someone that doesn't have any disdain for Cevin just simply for the fact that that the Flyers marketing team refers to Carter Hart has Cahtah Haht.

Everything beyond that? Sure, give or take the guy but that atrocity can not go unrecognized.

Asking Philadelphia fans to glorify f***ing Boston is like 19 bridges too far.

 

[ponder719]

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