2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[Flyerfan4life]

I’m going to say that any of you that want to trade down are batshit crazy.

Giving the Flyers any chance to try to “outsmart” the rest of the league isn’t going to end well. They love to try to show they know best, and it’s about as successful as my chances with Kate Upton.

Make the pick at 5. Go home, and get Fletcher a better haircut.

post of the day right here

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah but he worked with Torts in Vancouver so gotta have him.

That stint went famously well.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't recall, but these are their SV percentages and games started in their two seasons together. I didn't include starts with Hart (44) & Jones (33) because I assumed everyone still remembered that they started roughly the same amount of games in the season that just finished.

15-16
Mason .918 (53)
Neuvirth.924 (29)

16-17
Mason .908 (54)
Neuvirth .891 (24)

One of Hart's issues is that he gets injured every single season so you need backups that can start at lot of games.

For some context Hart handily defeats Jones on GSAA per hockey reference. I'm too busy to go to a real site to find expected stats and such, so I'm not making myself very useful.

Am I remembering correctly that Hart started the first half strong and trailed off?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I got unlazy

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

naturalstattrick.com

That's 5v5, seems the special teams must have garbaged Hart more than they garbaged Jones. Hart was overall far better than the small save percentage difference indicates, though we should probably be asking why special teams had so much negative impact on one and not the other.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Wow, Sorokin had a great season that I completely slept on. Probably the usual Trotz Effect?

I kind of wish Hart weren't 44th in HDSV%.

 

[Curufinwe]

For some context Hart handily defeats Jones on GSAA per hockey reference. I'm too busy to go to a real site to find expected stats and such, so I'm not making myself very useful.

Am I remembering correctly that Hart started the first half strong and trailed off?

Hart got injured late in the season, like he does every season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hart got injured late in the season, like he does every season.

I want to be worried about that, but he's playing a very demanding position while relatively young. Maybe he shreds himself permanently, maybe he works through it as he hits his prime and becomes resilient.

 

[eramosat]

IMHO. Hart has the potential to move the needle more for the Flyers than anything they could possibly trade him for, let alone any other player on the roster.
He's already 20% starting keeper, 5% backup-keeper, and 75% waiting to be allocated to either category, or something like that.
And I think he worth just about very little on trade market, and certainly nothing approaching his potential, and simply no reason to risk giving him away.

 

[eramosat]

Of course they were. Players of Ellis' caliber aren't traded for a 2 fizzling prospects. They knew exactly what they were doing and understood the entire picture. As usual, Fletcher did not. You will not die on this hill alone

It's even simpler...players who are older than 30 and in Y2 /Y3 of a 6/7/8 year contract are simply not traded in a simple exchnage. Because they fall into 2 categories:

A) clearly worth it for 3+ more years - therefore won't be traded away
B) clearly not worth it already - therefore no team will acquire them

I see no comparables for the Ellis trade! Every team's fanbase yearns to unload exactly these types of contracts before they are anchors, and the Flyers actually acquired one! It was a big risk when it was done, and it become a bust when the best year of Ellis' Flyer tenure went poof! I am season-long injured with no real explanation.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Rumor I saw on Facebook:

5 OA + Sanheim + Farabee + York for DeBrincat.

I think after this this year we may have shed enough talent to actually tank.

We might have to throw in Couturier and Hart as well. If you’re going to get ass reamed on a deal might as well go all the way.

 

[TheKingPin]

We might have to throw in Couturier and Hart as well. If you’re going to get ass reamed on a deal might as well go all the way.

I’m ready to trade almost every asset we have and start over

 

[PALE PWNR]

How do we still not know what the Ellis timeline looks like

 

[DancingPanther]

How do we still not know what the Ellis timeline looks like

Because it's career ending

 

[Beef Invictus]

How do we still not know what the Ellis timeline looks like

I think it falls somewhere in here:

Timeline of the far future - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ajgoal]

How do we still not know what the Ellis timeline looks like

He'll play sometime after the heat death of the universe.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I can't believe some chick really tried to pass this off as Winnipeg, like I said in the comment section, that's the gorgeous waters of the Delaware River, just in case any free agents may wanna come her for cheap for the glorious views

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Shoot ellis on the moon

This might be my favorite typo of all time.

 

[TheKingPin]

I love how Chuck likes to mention we aren’t in as bad a place for cap space.

Relative to who?

Minnesota who you are responsible for?

Vegas that’s an actual good to great team that the Avs are worried about going forward?

Your team just finished 4th last in the entire league. There are expansion teams around. Teams that have sold off like Arizona to have 7 picks in the first 45.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Any word on re-signing Martin Jones? Would hate for there to be an injury somewhere in the organization and not have Martin Jones here to solidify things.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

At the end of season press conf didn't they say Ellis would be resuming skating by July? This guy doesn't want to be here no matter what he says publicly imo.

 

[flyersnorth]

This is just a bummer to read.

Out of 20 trades Fletch has made as Flyers GM, I'd say three of them were solid.

Atkinson
Braun (acquiring him)
Tippett (given the circumstances)

That's the end of the list.

It must be nice to have your dad's bestie as boss.

List of All Chuck Fletcher Trades in Philadelphia

Chuck Fletcher took the helm of the Philadelphia Flyers on December 3, 2018, and has been crafting his vision for the club ever since. The bulk of the changes he’s made has come via trade, an…

brotherlypuck.com

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is just a bummer to read.

Out of 20 trades Fletch has made as Flyers GM, I'd say three of them were solid.

Atkinson
Braun (acquiring him)
Tippett (given the circumstances)

That's the end of the list.

It must be nice to have your dad's bestie as boss.

List of All Chuck Fletcher Trades in Philadelphia

Chuck Fletcher took the helm of the Philadelphia Flyers on December 3, 2018, and has been crafting his vision for the club ever since. The bulk of the changes he’s made has come via trade, an…

brotherlypuck.com

Not even "good" or "great." Just, "not bad."

Though I'm not counting Tippett since he made the circumstances.

 

[mja]

This is just a bummer to read.

Out of 20 trades Fletch has made as Flyers GM, I'd say three of them were solid.

Atkinson
Braun (acquiring him)
Tippett (given the circumstances)

That's the end of the list.

It must be nice to have your dad's bestie as boss.

List of All Chuck Fletcher Trades in Philadelphia

Chuck Fletcher took the helm of the Philadelphia Flyers on December 3, 2018, and has been crafting his vision for the club ever since. The bulk of the changes he’s made has come via trade, an…

brotherlypuck.com

All three of those are heavily debatable.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The GM having maybe (only maybe) two "not bad" moves in four years is probably a big reason why the team is so bad. If I had to guess.

 

[flyersnorth]

Not even "good" or "great." Just, "not bad."

Though I'm not counting Tippett since he made the circumstances.

That list is a reality check for the moves Chuck will make this summer.

Is it bad that I don't want to watch Chuck Season 4?