2022/23 Roster Thread II: Worth Every Penny

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I was 9 years old when they last won the Cup. I see nothing but wait till next year, year after year

 

[bauer]

I’ve seen my favourite teams in all the other major sports (NFL, MLB, NBA) win championships, some even multiple times, but the one that means the most to me (Flyers) can’t win worth a damn. I would seriously give up all those other championships just to see the Flyers win just one. It’s so depressing being a fan of this team.

 

[freakydallas13]

Is there an NHL team further away from winning a cup than this franchise? Maybe Arizona, but at least they have a bunch of draft capital to try and make something out of their roster.

 

[deadhead]

Don't think they're nearly in as bad shape as people suggest, we'll see after this season, but they have some promising players.
I mean -
York - top 4 D-man
Brink - NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old
Frost, Tippett, underacheivers who are young enough to break out
N Cates - solid two way forward
Zamula - skinny but capable D-man
and Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Andrae.

They all don't have to top out as top 6/top 4, a couple high picks the next couple years a couple players in this group step up, and the rest just have to fill out the roster as solid depth.

Nor do I think the core of TK, Farabee, Lindblom, Provorov, Sanheim is maxed out.
At worst they could be solid trade bait for a rebuild in a year if they choose to go that direction.

And with Hart/Fedotov in goal, and we'll see about Ersson/Ustimenko/Sandstrom, well, we've seen hot goalies carry teams a long way.

 

[Legion of Gloom]

I'm 37 and I doubt I'll see a Cup in my lifetime. I won't believe the Flyers can overcome their own management and delusional values until I see it.

Well I think you have a better chance than those of us who have witnessed a cup win. I am afraid I am running out of time.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Don't think they're nearly in as bad shape as people suggest, we'll see after this season, but they have some promising players.
I mean -
York - top 4 D-man
Brink - NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old
Frost, Tippett, underacheivers who are young enough to break out
N Cates - solid two way forward
Zamula - skinny but capable D-man
and Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Andrae.

They all don't have to top out as top 6/top 4, a couple high picks the next couple years a couple players in this group step up, and the rest just have to fill out the roster as solid depth.

Nor do I think the core of TK, Farabee, Lindblom, Provorov, Sanheim is maxed out.
At worst they could be solid trade bait for a rebuild in a year if they choose to go that direction.

And with Hart/Fedotov in goal, and we'll see about Ersson/Ustimenko/Sandstrom, well, we've seen hot goalies carry teams a long way.

You said this last season and the season before.

Talented youth are meaningless when development destroys their potential.

 

[deadhead]

Torts has a good track record, we'll see what he does with this group.
And LHV did a better job this year than the last decade preparing prospects, whether it was Lappy or his assistants, it worked.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Don't think they're nearly in as bad shape as people suggest, we'll see after this season, but they have some promising players.
I mean -
York - top 4 D-man
Brink - NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old
Frost, Tippett, underacheivers who are young enough to break out
N Cates - solid two way forward
Zamula - skinny but capable D-man
and Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Andrae.

They all don't have to top out as top 6/top 4, a couple high picks the next couple years a couple players in this group step up, and the rest just have to fill out the roster as solid depth.

Nor do I think the core of TK, Farabee, Lindblom, Provorov, Sanheim is maxed out.
At worst they could be solid trade bait for a rebuild in a year if they choose to go that direction.

And with Hart/Fedotov in goal, and we'll see about Ersson/Ustimenko/Sandstrom, well, we've seen hot goalies carry teams a long way.

While I think our young guys do have some serious upside… I think the core has been maxed the hell out, unfortunately.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts has a good track record, we'll see what he does with this group.
And LHV did a better job this year than the last decade preparing prospects, whether it was Lappy or his assistants, it worked.

His track record isn't anywhere near as remarkable as you claim.

 

[deadhead]

We'll see.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We'll see.

We have two decades to see this with already.

 

[tictactoe]

Fletcher trying to do something during UFAs

 

[ponder719]

Is there an NHL team further away from winning a cup than this franchise? Maybe Arizona, but at least they have a bunch of draft capital to try and make something out of their roster.

Seattle, at least until they fire Hak.

 

[Appleyard]

I’ve seen my favourite teams in all the other major sports (NFL, MLB, NBA) win championships, some even multiple times, but the one that means the most to me (Flyers) can’t win worth a damn. I would seriously give up all those other championships just to see the Flyers win just one. It’s so depressing being a fan of this team.

Also the last one for me in terms of domestic teams I follow, in terms of not having seen them win...

Man City (17 top tier trophies)
Lancashire cricket (2 top tier trophies, including the one that matters most, the County Championship, for the first time in 77 years when they did it in 2011)
Eagles (Superbowl)
Wigan Warriors (12 top tier trophies)

have all won in my time watching them.

 

[deadhead]

Also the last one for me in terms of domestic teams I follow, in terms of not having seen them win...

Man City (17 top tier trophies)
Lancashire cricket (2 top tier trophies, including the one that matters most, the County Championship, for the first time in 77 years when they did it in 2011)
Eagles (Superbowl)
Wigan Warriors (12 top tier trophies)

have all won in my time watching them.

So there's hope! We have a good luck charm.

 

[VladDrag]

Also the last one for me in terms of domestic teams I follow, in terms of not having seen them win...

Man City (17 top tier trophies)
Lancashire cricket (2 top tier trophies, including the one that matters most, the County Championship, for the first time in 77 years when they did it in 2011)
Eagles (Superbowl)
Wigan Warriors (12 top tier trophies)

have all won in my time watching them.

You pie eater! Up the Saints!

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Don't think they're nearly in as bad shape as people suggest, we'll see after this season, but they have some promising players.
I mean -
York - top 4 D-man
Brink - NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old
Frost, Tippett, underacheivers who are young enough to break out
N Cates - solid two way forward
Zamula - skinny but capable D-man
and Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Andrae.

They all don't have to top out as top 6/top 4, a couple high picks the next couple years a couple players in this group step up, and the rest just have to fill out the roster as solid depth.

Nor do I think the core of TK, Farabee, Lindblom, Provorov, Sanheim is maxed out.
At worst they could be solid trade bait for a rebuild in a year if they choose to go that direction.

And with Hart/Fedotov in goal, and we'll see about Ersson/Ustimenko/Sandstrom, well, we've seen hot goalies carry teams a long way.

Nothing remotely special about any of those prospects. High majority of other teams have them and then some. Why do you keep pumping these players up? Some will be solid NHL contributors which is fine.

The core you mentioned I bet has other teams salivating. That is a bottom of the league core.

 

[deadhead]

Nothing remotely special about any of those prospects. High majority of other teams have them and then some. Why do you keep pumping these players up? Some will be solid NHL contributors which is fine.

The core you mentioned I bet has other teams salivating. That is a bottom of the league core.

We'll see.

They lack elite players but have far more young depth (I'll take this group over Vorobyev, Bunnaman, Kase, Rubtsov, et al) than they've had in a long time.

One reason Colorado needed so long to rebuild was a lousy record of finding talent after the 1st round, since 2010 the only Avs picks::
Butcher #123-2013 (salary dump to Buffalo), Timmins #32-2017 (traded with 2022 1st for Kuemper).
So Sakic had to trade picks for players, he did a very good job of it, by focusing on RFAs instead of older veterans.

If you can find and develop players after the 1st rd (see TB), then you just need to hit on a few top 1st rd picks and can use these "hidden gems" to put packages together to land better players. This is how you accelerate a rebuild so it doesn't take a decade.

 

[Appleyard]

You pie eater! Up the Saints!

I used to train (like 2x) with Kyle Eastmond. He went to my high school (2 years above). When he was with Saints I bizarrely rooted for them vs everyone not called Wigan aha.

 

[TheKingPin]

We'll see.

They lack elite players but have far more young depth (I'll take this group over Vorobyev, Bunnaman, Kase, Rubtsov, et al) than they've had in a long time.

One reason Colorado needed so long to rebuild was a lousy record of finding talent after the 1st round, since 2010 the only Avs picks::
Butcher #123-2013 (salary dump to Buffalo), Timmins #32-2017 (traded with 2022 1st for Kuemper).
So Sakic had to trade picks for players, he did a very good job of it, by focusing on RFAs instead of older veterans.

If you can find and develop players after the 1st rd (see TB), then you just need to hit on a few top 1st rd picks and can use these "hidden gems" to put packages together to land better players. This is how you accelerate a rebuild so it doesn't take a decade.

Right. But THE reason they won is because of their high 1st rounders resulting in some of the best Centers, Wings, and D in the game and maybe all time.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

We'll see.

They lack elite players but have far more young depth (I'll take this group over Vorobyev, Bunnaman, Kase, Rubtsov, et al) than they've had in a long time.

One reason Colorado needed so long to rebuild was a lousy record of finding talent after the 1st round, since 2010 the only Avs picks::
Butcher #123-2013 (salary dump to Buffalo), Timmins #32-2017 (traded with 2022 1st for Kuemper).
So Sakic had to trade picks for players, he did a very good job of it, by focusing on RFAs instead of older veterans.

If you can find and develop players after the 1st rd (see TB), then you just need to hit on a few top 1st rd picks and can use these "hidden gems" to put packages together to land better players. This is how you accelerate a rebuild so it doesn't take a decade.

More young depth doesn't equate to any being NHL players; which you seem to think is the case with all of them.

Yes I like the current group over those other stiffs as well. Point is every NHL team has players of the the same ilk. You seem to make it out like the flyers have these great prospects. At least that is my take.

 

[Diaper Mask Bandits]

York - top 4 D-man
Brink - NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old
Frost, Tippett, underacheivers who are young enough to break out
N Cates - solid two way forward
Zamula - skinny but capable D-man
and Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Andrae.


You should be happy if one of these guys becomes an important regular.

 

[deadhead]

Right. But THE reason they won is because of their high 1st rounders resulting in some of the best Centers, Wings, and D in the game and maybe all time.

Yes, But the odds that things will work out that way are low.
With the lottery, it's hard to get those #1 picks.
And you still have to have MacKinnon, not Nico, be available.
And you need some luck, Makar fell to 4th.

Before Sakic, they took Duchenes #3 (traded for Byrum and Girard), Hishon #17, Landeskog #2, MacKinnon #1.
Under Sakic, Rantanen #10, Jost #10, Makar #4, Kaut #16, Newhook #16.
So you're gonna have your share of misses.

 

[Rebels57]

York - top 4 D-man
Brink - NCAA scoring leader at 20 years old
Frost, Tippett, underacheivers who are young enough to break out
N Cates - solid two way forward
Zamula - skinny but capable D-man
and Allison, Laczynski, Ratcliffe, Foerster, Wisdom, Desnoyers, Lycksell, Andrae.


You should be happy if one of these guys becomes an important regular.

It's honestly one of the worst crops of "under 24" talent in the NHL.

Just about every other team has that group beat, except a few of the contenders that went all-in on winning the last few years like Toronto and Tampa Bay.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's honestly one of the worst crops of "under 24" talent in the NHL.

Just about every other team has that group beat, except a few of the contenders that went all-in on winning the last few years like Toronto and Tampa Bay.

Turning among the best prospect groups into the worst over Fletcher's tenure is poor.