GDT: 2022-23 NHL Playoffs

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yeah i dont see who beats car but i think vegas has the biggest chance

and im pro vegas cause they gave us the easiest series in our cup run
 

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I have some nice futures still alive. But I’ll make new picks tomorrow.
A Vegas Canes finals parlay has a very nice payout I made around the all star game.

Vegas and Canes have better team D but the worst goalie. Not like Bob and Grubby are world class but they can def get hot.
 
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I have some nice futures still alive. But I’ll make new picks tomorrow.
A Vegas Canes finals parlay has a very nice payout I made around the all star game.

Vegas and Canes have better team D but the worst goalie. Not like Bob and Grubby are world class but they can def get hot.

I did a bunch of long odds futures a while back and the only one left is FLA at something like +5000.

Go cats, I guess. lol
 
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Congrats to Vegas. Deserved to win.

As far as the Oil kinda not sure what they need to take the next step.
They stink. Goaltending obviously is an issue but it's more than that. McDrai and their PP cover a lot of warts, but the Oil are sloppy 5 on 5. Defensively they're still awful but even their forecheck is loose. Being fast and offensive is one thing. Pond hockey is another.

The Canes would feast on that team.
 

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Edmonton should try to trick some team into taking Darnell Nurse. And get a good goalie.

If they could swing it they should be all over Connor Hellebuyck this offseason. Heck they should have outbid Washington for Darcy Kuemper and if Kuemper wasn't going to EDM no matter what, they should have at least pocketed the $5 million they wasted on Jack Campbell.

The Oilers did a lot of things wrong.
 
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Haven't seen many Oilers games due to time zones.

What's the difference between them and the "young, fast, offensive-minded" style people want here in DC?

Honest question. Not bait.
 

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Haven't seen many Oilers games due to time zones.

What's the difference between them and the "young, fast, offensive-minded" style people want here in DC?

Honest question. Not bait.
I want fast and offensive with discipline and defensive commitment. Oil are irresponsible. Their brand of hockey is the young guns 2.0
 
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Their brand of hockey is the young guns 2.0

The Oilers outchanced Vegas 4 games out of 6 when adjusting for the score at even strength, and defensively they gave up the second fewest chances in the second round of any team on a per 60 basis (behind only Dallas).

The main difference was in net: the Oilers saved 3 goals below expected, and Vegas saved 3.5 goals above expected. Aiden Hill had a good game last night, and Stuart Skinner played poorly.

All of this to say: I agree with you. This is another incarnation of the Capitals young guns in that they largely played very well but their goalies couldn't stop a beachball!

I think it's kind of a lazy narrative to imply they're an irresponsible team. I mean Nurse and Ceci are pretty bad and irresponsible individually, but I don't think it's a pervasive problem or anything. They just need a goalie, and maybe one more defenseman to play on the second pair. Otherwise they should run it back with their system largely unchanged.
 

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Edmonton is incredibly top-heavy, esp. with McDrai on the same line. There's not much balance to sustain the same style at a high level. Key pieces like Kane & Hyman being banged up and unproductive were unmanageable issues. Their D/G combination isn't remotely close so it was less a question of style than roster construction. Ekholm was a last minute band-aid. Campbell was an extremely costly decision from the start. Nurse is another extremely awkward fit. Now they're pretty much in cap hell with Bouchard a potential offer sheet candidate if they're not careful. Dumping Ceci/Kulak/Yamamoto seems like a must. They'll still be good but achieving balance is so elusive for teams.

It's probably quite true that while the Caps need to play more up-tempo they also need to be able to get to the hard areas with a purpose. Some players enable the former but less so the later. Finding ones that do both is the trick and why it may be difficult to restructure on the fly while adding meaningful upside. Two of their biggest problems in 92/39 more or less exemplify sticking to the perimeter and the easy ice. Do we suspect GMs to forget about these truths once the playoffs wrap and it's time to build their teams for next year? For some, of course, flaming out of the playoffs is a welcome upgrade but it's still hard to imagine either player being highly in-demand. They're skilled but so underwhelming competitively. Another core group, perhaps with more pace around them could do them good. Same goes for certain talents coming to the Caps. With so many teams not loving their mix there may be enough interest for fits to align. But aside from value I do wonder exactly what the Caps are after. After losing Orlov & Hathaway they'll also need to add some heart to the mix and getting that back for 92/39 seems like it may require either a lot of luck or additional assets added (maybe both).
 
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The Oilers outchanced Vegas 4 games out of 6 when adjusting for the score at even strength, and defensively they gave up the second fewest chances in the second round of any team on a per 60 basis (behind only Dallas).

The main difference was in net: the Oilers saved 3 goals below expected, and Vegas saved 3.5 goals above expected. Aiden Hill had a good game last night, and Stuart Skinner played poorly.

Once again, goalies are the only thing that matters in the playoffs :D:D:D

And, its random AF too. All three Vezina finalists lost in the 1st round.
 
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Of course everyone wants a fast, offensive, skilled team that are also defensively responsible and goes to the hard areas. That is the dream for almost any GM not named Lamoriello. It's just a very hard thing to achieve which is why most teams have a deficit in one of those areas...
 
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The Oilers outchanced Vegas 4 games out of 6 when adjusting for the score at even strength, and defensively they gave up the second fewest chances in the second round of any team on a per 60 basis (behind only Dallas).

The main difference was in net: the Oilers saved 3 goals below expected, and Vegas saved 3.5 goals above expected. Aiden Hill had a good game last night, and Stuart Skinner played poorly.

All of this to say: I agree with you. This is another incarnation of the Capitals young guns in that they largely played very well but their goalies couldn't stop a beachball!

I think it's kind of a lazy narrative to imply they're an irresponsible team. I mean Nurse and Ceci are pretty bad and irresponsible individually, but I don't think it's a pervasive problem or anything. They just need a goalie, and maybe one more defenseman to play on the second pair. Otherwise they should run it back with their system largely unchanged.
I know how you feel about the eye test, but what I see is that 5 on 5 they're just plain bad. I'd attribute the bolded--and the fact they outchanced Vegas--mainly to their best players who have a lot of possession and are so dangerous. But the chances that team as a whole does give up... woof. Guys all alone with time for tea. Glaring mistakes on nearly every Vegas goal. Loose, sloppy hockey. Contrast them with Carolina, for instance.

Living out West I see a lot of the Oilers, and they're just not a very good team. They have some extraordinary players, but teamwide.... meh.

And then yes, they do not have a goalie who can save them from themselves.
 

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Game 7, Go Kraken!!!!

I couldn't stay up for the EDM/VGK game last night because I'm old, and I was too bummed after the wet fart that was 76ers/Celtics Game 7. I was rooting for EDM, because I had money on them wining the West. But at this point I'd love to see a SEA/VGK Expansion Team Western Conference Finals (vs the Panthers, who I have money on winning the East)
 

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They stink. Goaltending obviously is an issue but it's more than that. McDrai and their PP cover a lot of warts, but the Oil are sloppy 5 on 5. Defensively they're still awful but even their forecheck is loose. Being fast and offensive is one thing. Pond hockey is another.

The Canes would feast on that team.
I find it hilarious that the Oilers use a system with 11 forwards and 7 D and they STILL don't play good defence! Maybe they need a 10-8 or something haha
 
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