Speculation: 2022-23 Management/Coaching/Ownership

[ohcomeonref]

Don't waste a perfectly good Friday or Saturday night watching this current non-sense.

I liked your post and stated I'd be skipping games in another thread but I'll still be here watching everything.. Dammit.

 

[Rybread86]

I expected a bad team. I always thought the best we would finish would be like 18-22? But I expected Game 1 bad where the team was at least entertaining because they would be able to score, but this is a different level of bad I didn't fully expect. Now, it could get better but even then, I dont know how much better it gets. And no one is really worth defending at this point. Lots of blame to go around.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

That’s true, I don’t even mean to go full Dirk here, but this team really does lack any form of physical edge to them. Could’ve had Kassian, Lucic, Simmonds, or hell - even Nick Ritchie (!) and I would’ve been happy. You don’t have to play these guys top-line minutes, but top-9 or bottom-six would have been nice.



I would love Mike Babcock here. I might get a snide remark, but I never cared about his antics within the squad. Sure, it’s team politics and being a dick, but the guy is a winner and has proved it time and time again.
Would love Bruce Boudreau here again..

I wonder if he ever won a game 7? lol

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I wonder if he ever won a game 7? lol

Against Edmonton right? But I think that tidbit is exaggerated. Sure he starts to line juggle like a madman, but hey, his teams were very successful

 

[Hey234]

I think there is a huge difference between expectations of where the team is at and expectations of how they play. Wins and losses don't really matter for this version of the team but how they win and lose does matter.

Personally, I never expected them to compete for a playoff spot. The only expectation I had was for them to be competitive. That means working hard each shift, not giving up on plays, and working within the team structure. Those three things seem absent to me.

I go back to the same point I made earlier, Geoff Ward comes in last year and the power play and penalty kill both have structure and are successful. He leaves and that structure also leaves. It just seems to show that there is a coaching gap regardless of whether that translate to wins.

 

[bsu]

Zegras is all of us.

 

[Quack Shot]

Against Edmonton right? But I think that tidbit is exaggerated. Sure he starts to line juggle like a madman, but hey, his teams were very successful

That was the Carlyle year if IRC

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Against Edmonton right? But I think that tidbit is exaggerated. Sure he starts to line juggle like a madman, but hey, his teams were very successful

That was carlyle..

 

[lwvs84]

Didn't Eakins coach the team that eventually landed McDavid (and then let go before he could coach him)? Would be awesome if he coached the team that eventually got Bedard (and got let go before he could coach him).

Eakins really should work more with player development than as an NHL HC. He was pretty good at the AHL level and kids seem to like him, maybe put him in a role that he helps young guys transition from AHL to NHL. Have him travel between the teams and be a bit of a bridge that helps them become professionals.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I have liked Eakins for some time, despite the public opinion of him. But even I'm getting real tired of this teams performance. I don't think it's all on him, but there has been a pattern throughout the years of him. I think we were looking adequate at even strength last night, but the absolute lack of any structure of special teams is killing any kind of motivation for the team, and its not the first time.

This team has much more potential with even average special teams. But that's a ''what if...''. So I'm starting to get excited for the 2023 draft.

Assistant coaches are in charge of the PP and PK units, not Eakins.


2020-21 ====
Assistant Coaches: Wilford and Morrison (I think he was in charge of the PP unit.)

PP: 8.94% (31st, last in league)​

PK: 79.8% (16th)​

2021-22 ====
Assistant Coaches: Ward and Brown in charge of PP. Stothers in charge of PK.

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Ducks
Game Set	Games	PPG	PPO	Eff		PK GA	TSH	PK Eff
1 to 33	33	23	90	25.6%		12	85	85.9%
34 to 62	29	19	85	22.4%		17	89	80.9%
63 to 82	20	6	44	13.6%		14	50	72.0%

Key:​

Game Set 1 - 33: Ducks healthy.​

Game set 34-62: Lindholm missed 2 games, Fowler missed 4 games, and Manson missed 17 games.​

Game Set 68-82: TDL losses = D Lindholm, D Manson, F Des, and F Rakell​

2022-23 ==== (6 games)
Assistant Coaches: Brown (PP), Stothers (PK), and Johnson (development)

PP: 10.0% (27th) 2 for 10​

PK: 65.3% (29th) 17 for 26 ; three games it was perfect​

=== Conclusion ===

Stothers doesn't have the personnel on the PK after the TDL and this season. We've had either great PK or abysmal PK in this short season. The mastermind behind the resurgent PP last year appears to be coach Ward, who left the org for personnel reasons during the summer.

When Murray brought in new assistant coaches for the 2021-22 season, it was going to be the tipping point for the team to get more wins. It worked. When healthy, both special teams were top-5 units.

As for ES play, it's been slowly improving game after game, but our top-6 ain't scoring much.

Is the debacle we're watching part roster (Verbeek) and part coaches? Yes. But it's our special team coaches that are failing the team miserably and our roster composition sucks. But it's also still too early with such a huge turnover on the team done twice since Verbeek took over, once at TDL and another during the summer.

 

[Deuce22]

Assistant coaches are in charge of the PP and PK units, not Eakins.


2020-21 ====
Assistant Coaches: Wilford and Morrison (I think he was in charge of the PP unit.)

PP: 8.94% (31st, last in league)​

PK: 79.8% (16th)​

2021-22 ====
Assistant Coaches: Ward and Brown in charge of PP. Stothers in charge of PK.

​

Ducks
Game Set	Games	PPG	PPO	Eff		PK GA	TSH	PK Eff
1 to 33	33	23	90	25.6%		12	85	85.9%
34 to 62	29	19	85	22.4%		17	89	80.9%
63 to 82	20	6	44	13.6%		14	50	72.0%

Key:​

Game Set 1 - 33: Ducks healthy.​

Game set 34-62: Lindholm missed 2 games, Fowler missed 4 games, and Manson missed 17 games.​

Game Set 68-82: TDL losses = D Lindholm, D Manson, F Des, and F Rakell​

2022-23 ==== (6 games)
Assistant Coaches: Brown (PP), Stothers (PK), and Johnson (development)

PP: 10.0% (27th) 2 for 10​

PK: 65.3% (29th) 17 for 26 ; three games it was perfect​

=== Conclusion ===

Stothers doesn't have the personnel on the PK after the TDL and this season. We've had either great PK or abysmal PK in this short season. The mastermind behind the resurgent PP last year appears to be coach Ward, who left the org for personnel reasons during the summer.

When Murray brought in new assistant coaches for the 2021-22 season, it was going to be the tipping point for the team to get more wins. It worked. When healthy, both special teams were top-5 units.

As for ES play, it's been slowly improving game after game, but our top-6 ain't scoring much.

Is the debacle we're watching part roster (Verbeek) and part coaches? Yes. But it's our special team coaches that are failing the team miserably and our roster composition sucks. But it's also still too early with such a huge turnover on the team done twice since Verbeek took over, once at TDL and another during the summer.

I would assume that the head coach would be able to overrule his assistants and make changes to special teams as he saw fit.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

These games have not been fun, but it gets me that people seem to be MAD about where this team is at. I don't think most people expected this team to make the playoffs, most people seem enamored by this draft, so I would think people would be happy that it's looking very possible that this universally expected non-playoff season leaves us with a top 5 pick in a stacked draft. If you expected Verbeek to turn this team into a winner, when he's been on the job for half a year and is still getting a sense for what he has to work with, you were deluding yourself. I'm not one to really call on the team to tank, but would people really rather feel a lot better with the state of the franchise if we instead finished around 10-12th again?

For me it's not just wins or losses its the fact we had the Terry incident last year and nothing has been done to address the fact that teams clearly see Anaheim as a team they can impose their will physically on.

 

[pbgoalie]

The junior Ducks could impose their physical will on this group.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

I would assume that the head coach would be able to overrule his assistants and make changes to special teams as he saw fit.

You are correct..

 

[bsu]

The junior Ducks could impose their physical will on this group.

As a coach of many....

 

[pbgoalie]

As a coach of many....

In fairness, they’re better coached

 

[bsu]

In fairness, they’re better coached

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Bring back Bruce if the canucks let em go.

 

[Quack Shot]

Brucey Boo Boudreau, where are you?
We got some work to do now
Brucey Boo Boudreau, where are you?
We need some help from you now

 

[bsu]

The good news is this the most in agreement this forum has been in years

 

[bsu]

We can blame Eakins for Steels development too.

 

[Hugh Mongusbig]

For me it's not just wins or losses its the fact we had the Terry incident last year and nothing has been done to address the fact that teams clearly see Anaheim as a team they can impose their will physically on.

unless the Elite Prospects site is wrong, the Ducks are currently the 2nd biggest team in the league with an avg. player weight of 204 lbs.... only Tampa is currently bigger with a 206 lb average per player.

They are bigger than just about all the top/elite teams. (other than Tampa)

Florida's avg. player weight is 193 lbs.
Toronto's is 194 lbs.
Colorado's is 195 lbs.
Rangers' is 200 lbs.
Boston's is 200 lbs.

The average Duck player outweighs the average Toronto player by 10 lbs.

If the Ducks are seen as a soft team or teams are able to impose their will physically on them it's not because they are undersized. (because they aren't undersized)

 

[Hockey Duckie]

We can blame Eakins for Steels development too.

Oh, so you're also saying you can blame Eakins for Terry's and Zegras' development as well. ::: hmmm :::

 

[bsu]

Oh, so you're also saying you can blame Eakins for Terry's and Zegras' development as well. ::: hmmm :::

He had the tail end of Terry, and he was going to be a player regardless just needed some weight... I give Geztlaf a lot of the credit for Terry you can see flashes of him in Terry's game. Zegras is an all world prospect; I don't think he has done much for him other than give him a long leash (which is probably more of a management decision). Kinda like how Hall, RNH were always good players regardless, Eakins just made it miserable for him just like he's doing for our two young stars. I guess we can consider Steel our Yakupov and hopefully he hasn't f***ed Drysdale up too bad already. It's alarming how much we look like the Eakin oilers, defensively and effort/want-wise. So much standing around hoping someone else can get the puck.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I would assume that the head coach would be able to overrule his assistants and make changes to special teams as he saw fit.

A head coach could and sometimes does, but that totally defeats the purpose of having said assistant coaches.

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Eakins took control over the PP unit late in the COVID season, which signified to Murray to get better assistant coaches and Murray did. If Eakins is in charge of the PP, then he's taking on two jobs. Eakins was so dismayed that he threw any five players on the 2nd PP 5-on-3 unit against the Wings.

From Dillman article:

“We just didn’t execute,” Ducks coach Dallas Eakins said. “We had the unit out there – that we (had) worked on some stuff on the five on three. It was so atrocious that I just grabbed five guys on the bench and threw them out for the second part. And what was interesting is that’s when we got a couple of chances. We have five. They have three. This isn’t complicated. But that’s the level of frustration.”​

Eakins didn't have to do that with last year's PP unit.

2020-21 PP unit

Coaches: Morrison (iirc)​

Season = 11 for 123, or 8.94% efficiency​

2021-22 PP unit

Coaches: Ward & Brown​

First six games = 6 for 18, or 33.3% efficiency​

2022-23 PP unit

Coaches: Brown & Johnson​

First six games = 2 for 20, or 10.0% efficiency​

We have more offensive talent this season than last season, but we're sucking fumes. We lost Ward during the summer. I keep reiterating we lost Ward and that Eakins isn't in charge of the PP unit, but it's falling on deaf ears and narrative eyes.