Speculation: 2022-23 Management/Coaching/Ownership

[FiveHoleTickler]

Not to bring the Leafs into this but Shanny brought in Babcock bc the Leafs needed Rielly and Kadri who were young at the time to be coached with direction, purpose, and developing them into proper NHLers.

Aside from Babcocks notable antics, he developed them pretty good. This is what Anaheim needs. Terry, MacT, Zegras Drysdale need a coach to develop these guys into elite players and this needs to be done now. Eakins ain't it.

His reputation says he is, although I will absolutely concede that so far this season he isn't.

It's been touched on briefly, but I think the assistants need to shoulder a fair amount of the blame for the start this season. Special teams have been abysmal and I would argue are a major reason this team is spiraling at the moment.

 

[dracom]

His reputation says he is, although I will absolutely concede that so far this season he isn't.

It's been touched on briefly, but I think the assistants need to shoulder a fair amount of the blame for the start this season. Special teams have been abysmal and I would argue are a major reason this team is spiraling at the moment.

people keep saying this and so far nothing actually shows that to be true.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

people keep saying this and so far nothing actually shows that to be true.

I'll steal the mod's posts:

GDT: - Game #5 of the season Ducks visit Bruins 7:00 PM ET Oct. 20, 2022

That period was……yikes.

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GDT: - Game #5 of the season Ducks visit Bruins 7:00 PM ET Oct. 20, 2022

i will give beeker a lot of credit with vatrano, he has been something this team has been missing for a long long time

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GDT: - Game #5 of the season Ducks visit Bruins 7:00 PM ET Oct. 20, 2022

i will give beeker a lot of credit with vatrano, he has been something this team has been missing for a long long time

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[Goose of Reason]

people keep saying this and so far nothing actually shows that to be true.

Troy Terry has had one of the bigger development curves from any of our recent picks and he has only 48 professional games without Eakins as his head coach. To say that he can't develop players is false.

 

[dracom]

Troy Terry has had one of the bigger development curves from any of our recent picks and he has only 41 professional games without Eakins as his head coach. To say that he can't develop players is false.

helping developing a few players shouldn't mean he's should have a rep for being good at developing players. do you guys really think he's helping them develop right now?

 

[MMC]

These games have not been fun, but it gets me that people seem to be MAD about where this team is at. I don't think most people expected this team to make the playoffs, most people seem enamored by this draft, so I would think people would be happy that it's looking very possible that this universally expected non-playoff season leaves us with a top 5 pick in a stacked draft. If you expected Verbeek to turn this team into a winner, when he's been on the job for half a year and is still getting a sense for what he has to work with, you were deluding yourself. I'm not one to really call on the team to tank, but would people really rather feel a lot better with the state of the franchise if we instead finished around 10-12th again?

 

[dracom]

These games have not been fun, but it gets me that people seem to be MAD about where this team is at. I don't think most people expected this team to make the playoffs, most people seem enamored by this draft, so I would think people would be happy that it's looking very possible that this universally expected non-playoff season leaves us with a top 5 pick in a stacked draft. If you expected Verbeek to turn this team into a winner, when he's been on the job for half a year and is still getting a sense for what he has to work with, you were deluding yourself. I'm not one to really call on the team to tank, but would people really rather feel a lot better with the state of the franchise if we instead finished around 10-12th again?

it's not about the record. it's absolutely about how they're playing.

 

[Goose of Reason]

helping developing a few players shouldn't mean he's should have a rep for being good at developing players. do you guys really think he's helping them develop right now?

So you're agreeing that he can help develop players into good NHLers? And no I don't think a 6 game stretch of bad play is helpful, but it's only 6 games. If 6 bad games wrecked a player there would be so few good players in this league.

Fact of the matter is rebuilding teams are bad hockey teams, and that involves bringing talented young guys into a bad team. We will either right the ship from being historically bad in terms of shots allowed or Eakins will be gone. Bad runs of hockey happen, this one is just getting people especially worked up because it's the first games of the season.

 

[Leonardo87]

These games have not been fun, but it gets me that people seem to be MAD about where this team is at. I don't think most people expected this team to make the playoffs, most people seem enamored by this draft, so I would think people would be happy that it's looking very possible that this universally expected non-playoff season leaves us with a top 5 pick in a stacked draft. If you expected Verbeek to turn this team into a winner, when he's been on the job for half a year and is still getting a sense for what he has to work with, you were deluding yourself. I'm not one to really call on the team to tank, but would people really rather feel a lot better with the state of the franchise if we instead finished around 10-12th again?

I don't think anyone was expecting anything close to playoffs, but also not as bad as this either. Somewhere in the middle maybe?

But you are right, a Top 5 or even Top 3 pick in this draft will really help this team moving forward. I have high hopes already for Zegras, Drysdale, and McTavish. They are already showing so much potential. Adding another Top 5 pick from a very deep draft, would really go a long way.

But at the same time, a team as bad as this is not good for player growth and development.

 

[Kalv]

It's 100% true that PV built a shitty team that isn't just bad--it's poorly constructed for player development. Again, it's early, my impression could change. But regardless, it's also true that Eakins and his staff aren't taking these lemons and making lemonade, not even close. They're squirting lemon juice directly into everyone's eyes and papercuts etc. Management, from the GM to the assistant coaches and training staff, look like shit right now.

well put

 

[dracom]

So you're agreeing that he can help develop players into good NHLers? And no I don't think a 6 game stretch of bad play is helpful, but it's only 6 games. If 6 bad games wrecked a player there would be so few good players in this league.

Fact of the matter is rebuilding teams are bad hockey teams, and that involves bringing talented young guys into a bad team. We will either right the ship from being historically bad in terms of shots allowed or Eakins will be gone. Bad runs of hockey happen, this one is just getting people especially worked up because it's the first games of the season.

im fine saying he's helped some players develop, but there's far more that haven't developed under his coaching. sure i agree we should wait and see how the season continues, but right now I have trouble seeing things getting much better under him. this losing culture we have going right now and have had for a couple seasons just isn't a great environment for our young players to be in.

 

[bsu]

These games have not been fun, but it gets me that people seem to be MAD about where this team is at. I don't think most people expected this team to make the playoffs, most people seem enamored by this draft, so I would think people would be happy that it's looking very possible that this universally expected non-playoff season leaves us with a top 5 pick in a stacked draft. If you expected Verbeek to turn this team into a winner, when he's been on the job for half a year and is still getting a sense for what he has to work with, you were deluding yourself. I'm not one to really call on the team to tank, but would people really rather feel a lot better with the state of the franchise if we instead finished around 10-12th again?

Yes I would prefer to draft 9th or 10th again over 5th if it allows our CURRENT young players to get better and reach their potential. What's the point of drafting top 5 if we are stunting the growth of our better younger players we already have?

We are sabotaging our young players, how can they get better if they never have the puck on their sticks/consistently in bad spots/getting dominated and losing confidence every game. This year should have been about properly developing our young talent. Getting a top 3 pick is all in good fun until you realize you screwed over the young (better) players we already have. I actually think we have already screwed Drysdale over, not saying he won't be a good player but he's been in some horrible situations and has lost confidence, he was more confident as a 18 year old in the NHL... remember when he was skating around the zone with the puck that seems like a distant memory.

 

[pbgoalie]

It was Carlyle that broke him, he stood on his f***ing head every single game at the start of the 2018-19 and eventually just got worn out, his numbers after the first couple months that year are similar to what they have been since

I agree

Somewhere that season I wrote a post that it looked like we “broke” Gibson

I still think he can be one of the best on a real NHL team, but he is being slaughtered

 

[MMC]

Yes I would prefer to draft 9th again over 5th if it allows our CURRENT young players to get better and reach their potential. What's the point of drafting top 5 if we are stunting the growth of our better younger players we already have?

We are sabotaging our young players, how can they get better if they never have the puck on their sticks/consistently in bad spots/getting dominated and losing confidence every game. This year should have been about properly developing our young talent. Getting a top 3 pick is all in good fun until you realize you screwed over the young (better) players we already have.

Is this really the concern with this year's team though? While we haven't been good I don't think any of our young players looks terrible, or that we're seeing any concerns with anyone's development (except maybe Comtois, but that started before this season)

 

[bsu]

Is this really the concern with this year's team though? While we haven't been good I don't think any of our young players looks terrible, or that we're seeing any concerns with anyone's development (except maybe Comtois, but that started before this season)

(I also added some to my original post after you quoted me, just FYI)

I mean how can you develop when you never have the puck? and when we finally get it it's one and done and back to chasing.... It's not like they are learning how to play defense properly either. What are they learning?

 

[AngelDuck]

I knew things would be a little rough but this is brutal. Like I said in the GDT, that 5 on 3 was so bad I don’t even know where to start and was likely the last straw. Changes need to happen but like you said this could be the plan all along.

Are you going to stay up past 12am for this? Lol

No way in hell. I work at 6:45 AM every morning on site. I honestly doubt I catch many west coast games at all this year. Maybe a Friday or Saturday night game

 

[bsu]

No way in hell. I work at 6:45 AM every morning on site. I honestly doubt I catch many west coast games at all this year. Maybe a Friday or Saturday night game

Don't waste a perfectly good Friday or Saturday night watching this current non-sense.

 

[2faded]

I don't think anyone was expecting anything close to playoffs, but also not as bad as this either. Somewhere in the middle maybe?

But you are right, a Top 5 or even Top 3 pick in this draft will really help this team moving forward. I have high hopes already for Zegras, Drysdale, and McTavish. They are already showing so much potential. Adding another Top 5 pick from a very deep draft, would really go a long way.

But at the same time, a team as bad as this is not good for player growth and development.

Not only did I expect this, I am surprised by the amount of people that didn't expect this. Aside from a hot start, the team was this bad last season and they got rid of Lindholm and Manson.

It's pretty clear to me Verbeek is going for the top 5 pick in this draft and I think it's the right move.

 

[DavidBL]

These games have not been fun, but it gets me that people seem to be MAD about where this team is at. I don't think most people expected this team to make the playoffs, most people seem enamored by this draft, so I would think people would be happy that it's looking very possible that this universally expected non-playoff season leaves us with a top 5 pick in a stacked draft. If you expected Verbeek to turn this team into a winner, when he's been on the job for half a year and is still getting a sense for what he has to work with, you were deluding yourself. I'm not one to really call on the team to tank, but would people really rather feel a lot better with the state of the franchise if we instead finished around 10-12th again?

Yeah, I'd feel better about it. This team WAS turning a corner. The team is now decidedly worse than it was last year and maybe even after the TDL. This is the WRONG direction. I didn't expect us to be cup contenders but we should have been pushing for playoffs even if we missed. Do we really expect to go from a bottom 5 team straight to the playoffs? We're eventually going to be in the teen range if the team moves forward. We were nearly there last year. My issue is going backwards, especially for a couple seconds and prospects who may never be impact players in the NHL. Goucher and Vaaks look nice so far but I doubt both combined will equate to the impact Lindholm would have had.

 

[Deuce22]

Yeah, I'd feel better about it. This team WAS turning a corner. The team is now decidedly worse than it was last year and maybe even after the TDL. This is the WRONG direction. I didn't expect us to be cup contenders but we should have been pushing for playoffs even if we missed. Do we really expect to go from a bottom 5 team straight to the playoffs? We're eventually going to be in the teen range if the team moves forward. We were nearly there last year. My issue is going backwards, especially for a couple seconds and prospects who may never be impact players in the NHL. Goucher and Vaaks look nice so far but I doubt both combined will equate to the impact Lindholm would have had.

Lindholm couldn't wait to get out of here, if you ask me.

 

[McDonald19]

I must have missed the honeymoon period.

It was very very short, when most of us were just happy Bob was gone.

 

[DavidBL]

Lindholm couldn't wait to get out of here, if you ask me.

At this point I you could probably say that about anyone. There's nothing to support that though.

 

[Deuce22]

At this point I you could probably say that about anyone. There's nothing to support that though.

It wasn't hard to see it coming.

 

[DavidBL]

It wasn't hard to see it coming.

Why, because we didn't want to give him term? I'm not surprised he was traded but I don't think its fair to say he wanted out. If he did then term wouldn't have been. The issue. He just would have told them he wasn't going to resign with us.

 

[bsu]

Lindholm has said himself he would have taken less to stay here on a long term deal.