Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

[Avs_19]

A key takeaway from LeBrun's article:

The plan before the season, as I heard it, was that the Blues would circle back to Ryan O’Reilly’s camp, led by Morris, in the new year. But with the Blues still struggling to stabilize their season, I think it’s more likely O’Reilly gets dealt as opposed to extended.

“Nothing new to report,” Morris said Thursday, adding that there haven’t been any contract negotiations so far this season.

O’Reilly doesn’t have no-trade protection, so the Blues should be able to drum up a nice market for the 2019 playoff MVP (Toronto? Colorado?) if they indeed decide to move him.

A takeaway that @Balthazar doesn't want you to see because he's on the record saying O'Reilly 100% won't be traded.

 

[Balthazar]

If the Avs want to add... they don't really have a ton to give up. Next 2 1sts, OO, Foudy, and Behrens are the only guys of any real value. Domi absolutely shouldn't get a 1st... so scratch them out. Foudy is probably the only skater that is untouchable... just based on him being able to shift into the NHL and cheap contract. Which leaves OO and Behrens. We don't exactly know what the new regime preference in Chicago is, but the early returns signal that OO may not be their type of guy. Which leaves Behrens... who fits exactly what Chicago wants. College developed player who plays a modern defensive game and can help them 1-2 years from now but doesn't hurt the current tank. If the Avs grab Domi, my bet is Behrens is the piece.

Here's a better idea: Domi for EJ at 50%. They turn around and flip EJ with another 50% retention. EJ at 1.5M will have good value on the market. Big RHD with cup pedigree. Contenders absolutely love that.

 

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With the way that ROR has played and how ruthless Armstrong can be.... I wouldn't be shocked in the least if ROR was moved. I'm sure Armstrong has zero desire to pay ROR what ROR thinks he's worth.

 

[Balthazar]

A takeaway that @Balthazar doesn't want you to see because he's on the record saying O'Reilly 100% won't be traded.

You forgot to add "to Colorado" at the end of your sentence.

 

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Here's a better idea: Domi for EJ at 50%. They turn around and flip EJ with another 50% retention. EJ at 1.5M will have good value on the market. Big RHD with cup pedigree. Contenders absolutely love that.

Chicago has only so many retention spots available. Toews and Kane will certainly take 2. They have a few other guys, including Domi who could take the other one. I doubt Chicago has a desire to work that complicated of deal when they have other ways to use that.

The underrated name for this deadline that people might be shocked at how much he returns is Sam Lafferty. I've heard a number of teams are in love with his game and would pay a lot to add him while he's on the cheap contract.

 

[CobraAcesS]

You forgot to add "to Colorado" at the end of your sentence.

Yeah.. I think we have a better shot at Staz or Duchy.

 

[Ararana]

You forgot to add "to Colorado" at the end of your sentence.

Seriously. If I were the Blues I'd let ROR walk for free then send him to the Avs right now.

 

[Balthazar]

Chicago has only so many retention spots available. Toews and Kane will certainly take 2. They have a few other guys, including Domi who could take the other one. I doubt Chicago has a desire to work that complicated of deal when they have other ways to use that.

Retain on Domi or retain on EJ, same # of retention spots needed.

Not like we can afford Domi at full cap hit at the deadline. We'll have 150k cap space and Landy isn't coming off LTIR soon, money has to go the other way or else no trade.

 

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Retain on Domi or retain on EJ, same # of retention spots needed.

Not like we can afford Domi at full cap hit at the deadline. We'll have 150k cap space and Landy isn't coming off LTIR soon, money has to go the other way or else no trade.

My point is the Hawks have 2 of the spots locked up with Kane and Toews, which leaves them just one to move around for ~5 other guys that need moved. They likely have little to no desire to make a move like that for EJ.

 

[dahrougem2]

If the Avs want to add... they don't really have a ton to give up. Next 2 1sts, OO, Foudy, and Behrens are the only guys of any real value. Domi absolutely shouldn't get a 1st... so scratch them out. Foudy is probably the only skater that is untouchable... just based on him being able to shift into the NHL and cheap contract. Which leaves OO and Behrens. We don't exactly know what the new regime preference in Chicago is, but the early returns signal that OO may not be their type of guy. Which leaves Behrens... who fits exactly what Chicago wants. College developed player who plays a modern defensive game and can help them 1-2 years from now but doesn't hurt the current tank. If the Avs grab Domi, my bet is Behrens is the piece.

My bet is if Domi is traded, whoever acquires him is giving up at most a 3rd.

 

[Balthazar]

My point is the Hawks have 2 of the spots locked up with Kane and Toews, which leaves them just one to move around for ~5 other guys that need moved. They likely have little to no desire to make a move like that for EJ.

"Trade us Domi at 50% retained" = 1 retention spot

"Trade us Domi at full cap hit and take back EJ" = 0 retention spot or 1 retention spot if they want to retain on EJ

Either way, it won't cost more retention spot if they take EJ.

We cannot make any deadline move unless we send money the other way. Picks and Behrens won't work.

That's the bottom line.

 

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My bet is if Domi is traded, whoever acquires him is giving up at most a 3rd.

Which the Avs don’t have to give up… so if he’s coming to the Avs, Behrens is the name that checks the boxes to most. I’d absolutely hate that deal though.

 

[dahrougem2]

Which the Avs don’t have to give up… so if he’s coming to the Avs, Behrens is the name that checks the boxes to most. I’d absolutely hate that deal though.

It doesn't mean we go higher if we don't have it lol.

I think the Avs are smart enough to stay away from Domi. Guy was a complete tire fire in Carolina last season after the TDL. He is garbage.

I also believe the Avs are super high on Behrens and unless it's a legit 2C package, he won't be moved for a chump centre.

 

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"Trade us Domi at 50% retained" = 1 retention spot

"Trade us Domi at full cap hit and take back EJ" = 0 rentention spot or 1 rentention spot if they want to retain on EJ

Either way, it won't cost more retention spot if they take EJ.

We cannot make any deadline move unless we send money the other way. Picks and Behrens won't work.

That's the bottom line.

No… the bottom line is they’ll use that last retention spot for one of their guys. Could be Domi, could be AA, could be Lafferty… going through the whole process of grabbing EJ and flipping him with that last retention spot just adds complexity where they have enough on their plate

It doesn't mean we go higher if we don't have it lol.

I think the Avs are smart enough to stay away from Domi. Guy was a complete tire fire in Carolina last season after the TDL. He is garbage.

I also believe the Avs are super high on Behrens and unless it's a legit 2C package, he won't be moved for a chump centre.

Avs have been hot for Domi before… but I’d hope they are smart enough to stay away.

They should be high on Behrens… best prospect in the system.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It doesn't mean we go higher if we don't have it lol.

I think the Avs are smart enough to stay away from Domi. Guy was a complete tire fire in Carolina last season after the TDL. He is garbage.

I also believe the Avs are super high on Behrens and unless it's a legit 2C package, he won't be moved for a chump centre.

I'm just going to hold onto the thought.. "Our pro scouting is just better than that, please God "

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

This notion that the Avs have no cap space needs to die.

They have cap space. Whether it ends up being by virtue of LTIR, or by getting healthy by the trade deadline, they will have some cap space.


The Avs started the season with $1.8M in space. They have at least that much at the deadline if they get healthy.

 

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This notion that the Avs have no cap space needs to die.

They have cap space. Whether it ends up being by virtue of LTIR, or by getting healthy by the trade deadline, they will have some cap space.


The Avs started the season with $1.8M in space. They have at least that much at the deadline if they get healthy.

The Avs haven’t been accruing space for most of the season because of the injuries…
Unlikely they have 1.8 at the deadline without ltir. Ltir is the kicker… but to date, nobody has been hurt that badly.

Cap can always be made to work for short periods though. Avs can find a way, it just may cost them a lot.

 

[Avs_19]

Only dumb teams refuse to trade within the division/conference, especially when it's an older UFA that the team likely won't be retaining past a playoff run anyways.

 

[dahrougem2]

Only dumb teams refuse to trade within the division/conference, especially when it's an older UFA that the team likely won't be retaining past a playoff run anyways.

If the Oilers and Flames can make trades, the Blues will have no issues trading inside the division - especially if they aren't in playoff contention.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The Avs haven’t been accruing space for most of the season because of the injuries…
Unlikely they have 1.8 at the deadline without ltir. Ltir is the kicker… but to date, nobody has been hurt that badly.

Cap can always be made to work for short periods though. Avs can find a way, it just may cost them a lot.

They started the year with 1.8 though. That's without accumulated space.


Our 22 man roster of:


Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ERod - Nuke
Newhook - JTC - Malgin
LOC - Helm - Cogliano

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - EJ
MacDonald - MacDermid

George
Francouz


That roster comes in at $80.550M, so actually $1.95M in space.

 

[CobraAcesS]

If the Oilers and Flames can make trades, the Blues will have no issues trading inside the division - especially if they aren't in playoff contention.

I was thinking ROR and the Avs relationship was enough to kill it, then that he is slow aF, then maybe the Division thing lol.

 

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They started the year with 1.8 though. That's without accumulated space.


Our 22 man roster of:


Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ERod - Nuke
Newhook - JTC - Malgin
LOC - Helm - Cogliano

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - EJ
MacDonald - MacDermid

George
Francouz


That roster comes in at $80.550M, so actually $1.95M in space.

But they’ve been running many more names than that and right up against the cap within a couple hundred thousand. So all the space that was there is gone right now…

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That's pretty close and shows what the Avs have been doing. Basically the Avs have been accruing zero since Nov 9th, prior to that, the total accrued was about 115k. Right now that is the total excess cap space. Now when players get off LTIR, the Avs might start accruing again. Sounds like that would be mid January at the earliest right now... maybe Feb. If it gets into Feb, Avs might be looking at a total of, even if it went perfectly, ~250k of accrued cap space.

 

[Metallo]

We will have cap space if we have LTIR that runs through to the end of the regular season (naturally or by design).

 

[Balthazar]

We will have cap space if we have LTIR that runs through to the end of the regular season (naturally or by design).

It's far more likely is we'll have cap space because we'll trade a contract. It's going to be EJ or Girard.

Avs will have to get creative with that trade.

Avs might be looking at a total of, even if it went perfectly, ~250k of accrued cap space.

Which is nowhere near enough to get a player, even with double retention.

 

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It's far more likely is we'll have cap space because we'll trade a contract. It's going to be EJ or Girard.

Avs will have to get creative with that trade.


Which is nowhere near enough to get a player, even with double retention.

Yeah a contract will be going out to add anybody… or somebody is out for the rest of the regular season.