Cousin Eddie
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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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These are all great theories/ideas but why would we spend the assets when nobody is getting healthy?
As of right now the only guy imminent is 29, after that who knows on 92, 13, 4, 42, 43? For all I know those guys are done for the year. That is what my assumption is moving forward. If they aren't getting better or closer to returning as per the coach, then I would say it's more likely they aren't playing again this season.
I know calling them out for the season is a bit of hyperbole, but I want it on record that I think 92 won't play a regular season game this season. Getting the feeling the rehab etc. isn't going as they were hoping. As for the others tough to say, let's just say I thought there would be progress by now.
And if we aren't getting healthy then there is absolutely no point in making any significant trades.
As of right now the only guy imminent is 29, after that who knows on 92, 13, 4, 42, 43? For all I know those guys are done for the year. That is what my assumption is moving forward. If they aren't getting better or closer to returning as per the coach, then I would say it's more likely they aren't playing again this season.
I know calling them out for the season is a bit of hyperbole, but I want it on record that I think 92 won't play a regular season game this season. Getting the feeling the rehab etc. isn't going as they were hoping. As for the others tough to say, let's just say I thought there would be progress by now.
And if we aren't getting healthy then there is absolutely no point in making any significant trades.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I see two options. Avs continue with the injury bug, decide to pull the plug on the season or they make some additions, people question why, they win the cup when everyone's magically healthy for the post-season. Bedard or Cup.
Wasting a season in the Cup window should not be an option. Avs need to push for it. This is also the last season before the MacK extension kicks in. The Cap is an issue now and only getting worse for the Avs. They should absolutely be pushing as hard as they can this season.
I mean agreed. But what can you do when the team is made of glass?
Without significant improvement in our health situation rapidly, this will be a wasted season.
Too many big time long term injuries to make a serious push. Hockey gods are simply not doing us any favors this season.
In an ideal world, the Avs avoid Vegas in the 1st round... but beyond that seeding really doesn't matter. Add to that the Avs are clearly making the playoffs... so they absolutely should be pushing. It isn't like the Avs are going to contend with Arizona and Anaheim for the top pick.
On the injury front... zero of the injuries so far are expected to last through the season. I won't say you should expect the Avs to be fully healthy for the playoffs, but the lineup is much more likely to be closer to full around that time. If for no other reason than players tend to play through things they otherwise wouldn't. Barring somebody tearing an ACL, the lineup will be a lot more full come playoff time.
Adding to the injuries... it is pretty typical that the older players get, the more time they end up injured. It is also typical that the injuries mount over time to diminish abilities. Along with that, players who tend to miss time regularly, always tend to miss time. All of those work against players as they age. MacK is always good to miss 10+ games a season. Nuke is probably on that same path. Rants normally does. To wait for a season of perfect health simply means you're likely waiting forever. It just isn't going to happen. Not with this core, not at their ages, and not with this training staff. There is absolutely zero guarantee that next season or three seasons from now the Avs are any healthier.
Is it possible they took some measure of strategy to manage injuries better getting ready for the playoffs starting last year?
It's probably just the way things are shaking out, aging, etc, but it seems like we went from more league average injuries during the season to them holding guys out longer.
Or maybe it's just Landeskog lol. I'll be curious to see how this all rounds out going into the playoffs. We were hit pretty hard with injuries in the playoffs in previous years where last year I feel we had the most important players healthy.
I mean as a bandwagon Tampa fan, that team is a revolving door most years with the hope that everyone is ready for the playoffs. Seems like we're headed down that path.
niwotsblessing
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As long as Landy has at least a month of regular season play to get in game shape for the playoffs we're good. He'll be fresh as a daisy and will lead us to another Cup.
I think some of the guys out now are with the knowledge that the team will make the playoffs and they want the injuries to heal up. We know Landy's injury really could have been played through, but the best move was to just fix it. Nuke could likely play through his ankle now if it mattered (he played on worse in the Finals). Helm would likely be playing today if it was the playoffs. So I think to an extent, they'd rather just get healthier and deal with the lower seed. I think that is the right call.
Now I don't think that is drastically different than what the Avs have done prior. Hell, Landy got his surgery last year to be ready for the playoffs. Add to that, the Avs are always one of the more conservative teams in this area.
As teams go multiple years with deep runs, play a lot of games without a ton of time off, and they age... it just becomes the natural cycle of things. These players just naturally start having a lot of wear and tear. Tampa has been beat up for 3 seasons and just rotates out guys. For the most part, they have managed when it matters... and players gut it out in the playoffs (see Point playing on one leg last playoffs).
Ararana
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At this rate literally half of our top six and top four are going to be fresh as a daisy for the playoffs.
Imagine.
Nuke on LTIR until playoffs and getting some team to retain an additional 50% on Toews would probably get it done tbh.
Personally, I don't feel Toews is the answer as the 2C. I do think some teams looking for center will value him as a guy how can add as an impact forward... but I personally don't think he's that guy anymore.
As I see the tiers of guys who could be available:
Horvat
Hayes
ROR
Roslovic
Toews
Dvorak
Domi
Personally, I have a hard time past ROR thinking the spot will be passable. Even Hayes and ROR might have complications. The Roslovic/Toews/Dvorak group all have a faint shot of working... but I think the chances are low.
Now Domi... this is the guy I think the Avs will land. There is some boom/bust to that, so I can see an ultimate upside where it could work. I've just seen him crash and burn everywhere and he always ends up a net negative on any team over time. That is a lightning in a bottle that could be caught, but the odds are very low IMO.
As I see the tiers of guys who could be available:
Horvat
Hayes
ROR
Roslovic
Toews
Dvorak
Domi
Personally, I have a hard time past ROR thinking the spot will be passable. Even Hayes and ROR might have complications. The Roslovic/Toews/Dvorak group all have a faint shot of working... but I think the chances are low.
Now Domi... this is the guy I think the Avs will land. There is some boom/bust to that, so I can see an ultimate upside where it could work. I've just seen him crash and burn everywhere and he always ends up a net negative on any team over time. That is a lightning in a bottle that could be caught, but the odds are very low IMO.
Shutting down Landy when they did last season seemed like a shifting point in a way.
I was used to seeing this with Tampa, but it's less polarizing for me when Kuch and Stammer are always injured lmao.
The evolution is interesting at least. If we're mostly healthy going into the playoffs and can find a way to add that's all that matters. I am impressed with Bednar, as I was with Cooper at times gutting out good months with a skeleton crew.
Cousin Eddie
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If I were putting money on any potential player to be a LTIR candidate to end the season, it’s Nichushkin.
I have a feeling he has a scheduled procedure coming up.
I have a feeling he has a scheduled procedure coming up.
Bednar has done a good job this year shifting how the Avs play to deal with things. As much as that though, Rants just put this team on his back and has willed them to 3 or 4 wins by himself. You take those out, we are all probably singing a different tune. Just a credit to the level of player he is.
That would worry me... way too many flashbacks of power forwards having ankle issues destroy their careers.
That should tell you what I think about the center pool.
That and goaltending, we went from a complete team with adequate goaltending to a incomplete and injured team with mostly very good goaltending.
Yeah it is, if there is one thing you can set your watch too it is Mikko blowing up when Mack is injured.
Fair, me too lolThat would worry me... way too many flashbacks of power forwards having ankle issues destroy their careers.
That should tell you what I think about the center pool.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I dread the thought of Domi being the add. I remember having this argument with people last year, but the Domi name and the odd fight (where he's always just jumping the other guy) make people think he's some rough and gruff player. He's the epitome of perimeter play. I'm really glad we seem to be on the same wavelength there, he'd also be my bottom of the barrel
Yeah overall the goaltending has been very good to start the season... better than I think you can realistically expect out of the tandem. George has shown some cracks (early Decemeber), but he's bounced back too. I'm still skeptical on if he holds up the whole time, but last week was a real positive sign.
I think he's an awful player and while he has enough talent to be impactful, I think he's a net negative.
Sadly, I think he's the acquisition that makes the most sense as the Avs' target. On the cheaper side in both cost to acquire and cap hit, can play center, shown some scoring punch, can play with pace, and most importantly for the Avs... they've targeted him before. Domi for Behrens has all the makings of an Avs/Hawks deal and I'd hate every bit of it.
I think I'd rather they just get the best offensive player they can than go that far down in the dumpster, and I get the logic lol.
Hopefully McFarland is smarter than that.
dahrougem2
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I will be a monkey's uncle if Sean Behrens gets traded, especially for a scrub like Domi.
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Lebrun literally just posted this today:
LeBrun: The latest rumblings on NHL's pending UFA class, from Pastrnak to Kane/Toews to O'Reilly and more
The new year traditionally opens up a window of renewed discussions between player agents and teams on high-profile pending UFAs.
If the Avs want to add... they don't really have a ton to give up. Next 2 1sts, OO, Foudy, and Behrens are the only guys of any real value. Domi absolutely shouldn't get a 1st... so scratch them out. Foudy is probably the only skater that is untouchable... just based on him being able to shift into the NHL and cheap contract. Which leaves OO and Behrens. We don't exactly know what the new regime preference in Chicago is, but the early returns signal that OO may not be their type of guy. Which leaves Behrens... who fits exactly what Chicago wants. College developed player who plays a modern defensive game and can help them 1-2 years from now but doesn't hurt the current tank. If the Avs grab Domi, my bet is Behrens is the piece.
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