…. Really? Ethan Bear? I would take Manson over him all day, every day. Having someone with size that can clear the front of the net is something you need in the postseason, which is why most would keep Manson over Girard at this point.
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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I’m kind of ambivalent to Manson. He’s fine. I think he still moves pretty well. Hopefully he’s got a couple solid years left in him. The going rate for that type of defenceman is similar to what he got, so it just is what it is. I just wish he could PK well.
I’ll say this, of last years deadline additions, I’m a lot more excited about having Lehkonen locked down long term.
I’ll say this, of last years deadline additions, I’m a lot more excited about having Lehkonen locked down long term.
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Do we really think Manson was the singular reason we won the cup? He helped but I think that we win the cup with or without him.
Obviously he wasn't the only reason but not sure how you can say we'd win without him, he made some huge plays in the St Louis series. Also an unsung hero defensively all through the playoffs.
If it comes down to it I'm taking Manson over Girard any day. Sad part is Manson actually has better offensive numbers than Girard this season, that's how bad Girard has been.
Without a doubt we do. He really didn't add much, outside of his -4 game against Edmonton where he almost lost the game by himself.
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I tend to agree. The Makar/Toews pairing was what separated Colorado from other teams in the playoffs last year.
Manson filled a role. He played well. Just like a guy like Darren Helm. Can’t overlook the contributions of those guys, but I don’t really feel comfortable saying they’d be sunk without them.
Lmao you gotta be joking right? OT winner in game 1 against St Louis, game saving block in game 6 against St Louis, jumped into the play to create the Stanley cup winning goal. The guy who didn't add much was sitting on IR.
So this guy at a team worst -8 in an allstar though right? Use +/- only when it supports you. So you agree Girard is an absolute joke since he's -8 right?
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Yeah that's a good way of looking at it.
All the depth guys contributed and it was a full team effort. But none of them were true difference makers, in that we would lose without the likes of Helm/Cogs/Manson/Johnsons.
Makar is a guy who they don't win the cup without. Or Mack/Mikko.
That's just plain wrong. Takes everyone to win a cup. Without Helm we don't score the last second goal against St Lous, without Cogliano and Sturm we don't tie the game in game 4 against Tampa. Without Compher we don't score the go ahead goal in game 3 against Edmonton, we don't generate the OT winner in game 1 against Tampa.
In the playoffs all it takes is one play, it's just ignorant to think everything would play out the same way without the contribution of depth guys.
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Some people will rip on Manson because his analytics don't match up to the eye test. That's fine. Those people can be wrong.
Josh Manson was critical to this team winning a Stanley Cup.
Josh Manson was critical to this team winning a Stanley Cup.
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Girard has same amount of points as Manson, they both have 2G 4A. Girard is minus 8, at least Manson is a plus. At this point I'm not sure why even keep Girard. He's not producing any offense, and not doing much defensively either. Trade him for a 2C while he still has some value
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Manson is worth 4,5mil just for the fact that he dropped Benn
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I didn't want the Avs to re-sign Manson but I'm glad they did.
I thought he had some big moments in the playoffs but was playing a small role with limited minutes. This year (after a rough first handful of games) he's been more like the guy I thought Colorado was getting originally. Solid on the 2nd pair and there have been a few games he's taken over with his physicality; really getting into the opponents heads while playing clean hockey.
I thought he had some big moments in the playoffs but was playing a small role with limited minutes. This year (after a rough first handful of games) he's been more like the guy I thought Colorado was getting originally. Solid on the 2nd pair and there have been a few games he's taken over with his physicality; really getting into the opponents heads while playing clean hockey.
Don't forget Girard has two points on the PP that Manson doesn't get. Manson has more points per game with no powerplay time compared to Girard.
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Not to mention Girard hasn't done anything in the playoffs other than get injured or struggle for being too small. Avs could use a 2C long term, and they should invest that 5 mill on a 2C instead of Girard since they already have Byram and have resigned Manson
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I mean that’s assuming that the players they’re replaced with are literally useless.
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Just one guy's opinion, but I felt that Manson's highest value last year was in GM 1 against Nashville, when Kunin tried to bait Kadri into a fight, and Manson put a stop to that, while also sending a message to the rest of the playoff field that the Avs were not only skilled but tough...and not about to take any crap from anyone. I loved his goal. I loved his assist. I REALLY loved his save against St Louis. But I love his size more than anything. MacDermid and Englund should be 7D and 8D, and EJ should be in a rest home. I'd rather not have Makar or Byram doing crease-minding duty, and Girard is not large enough. Manson has actually authored a number of 2 line passes out of the D-zone, which Girard previously did.
I understand that every dollar pointed toward Manson was also directed away from Kadri. Those who claim that we could have fit Kadri in are correct, but I think that a PhD in mathematics and probability would be necessary to work out all the variables:
1) Kadri appeared to be demanding 7 x $9M
2) Kadri had Nuke and Bura on his wings last year, and Kadri at $9M would have eliminate 1 or both of them, meaning that 87 pt season might not reappear.
3) Kadri would be 39 at the end of the contract ( and conceivably 40 if he signed earlier with the Avs at 8 x $8M)
4) Lehky and Nuke are both 27 this year
5) I don't like this one bit, but Kadri had ( and has) the Sword of Damacles above his head. One stupid or ill-timed hit, and he could be gone 16 games in the playoffs.
6) Nobody had ( or still have) a definitive clue about where the cap would be.
6a) At the time, it appeared that Byram and Newhook could potentially earn all their bonus, making cap hell even worse.
7) In their hearts, SakMac knew that EJ was a 6D at best, and the team would need a legit 4D with size.
I was Kadri's biggest fan in here, and I did not want to sign that contract. There are many opinions in this thread, but I have yet to see one which considered 100% of those variables.
I understand that every dollar pointed toward Manson was also directed away from Kadri. Those who claim that we could have fit Kadri in are correct, but I think that a PhD in mathematics and probability would be necessary to work out all the variables:
1) Kadri appeared to be demanding 7 x $9M
2) Kadri had Nuke and Bura on his wings last year, and Kadri at $9M would have eliminate 1 or both of them, meaning that 87 pt season might not reappear.
3) Kadri would be 39 at the end of the contract ( and conceivably 40 if he signed earlier with the Avs at 8 x $8M)
4) Lehky and Nuke are both 27 this year
5) I don't like this one bit, but Kadri had ( and has) the Sword of Damacles above his head. One stupid or ill-timed hit, and he could be gone 16 games in the playoffs.
6) Nobody had ( or still have) a definitive clue about where the cap would be.
6a) At the time, it appeared that Byram and Newhook could potentially earn all their bonus, making cap hell even worse.
7) In their hearts, SakMac knew that EJ was a 6D at best, and the team would need a legit 4D with size.
I was Kadri's biggest fan in here, and I did not want to sign that contract. There are many opinions in this thread, but I have yet to see one which considered 100% of those variables.
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Before anyone bitches about a 1st equivalent being traded at the deadline for a 2C, just remember it likely would have taken that much to get someone to eat EJ’s contract.
It would have... But we'd have the long term 2C solution solved. Not just a 1 year solution. Assuming the plan would have been to dump EJ and sign Kadri which I think was clearly something they considered for a while.
Instead we're likely going to end up trading the 1st round pick for a 1 playoff run type of rental instead of a long term solution and then be in an even worse spot next year with another EJ type anchor contract on the books going forward.
“Long term” as in 32 and turned it up in a contract year.
What a weird time for everyone to start shitting on Girard. Guy just got us a OT goal and has been playing better the last few games. You guys can like and praise Manson without dumping on G. Their pairing in the playoffs last year was great. And this injury prone nonsense is pretty unfounded. He's only been hurt once in the playoffs and that was last year. I can understand the comments about wanting him to play better, but to act like his the reason we lose games is absurd. All of our defensemen get beat though out the season, but for some reason when the players is Sammy, the bitchers go full blast for weeks.
Funny this is what you choose to respond to while conveniently ignoring the other posters that are flat out proving you wrong with facts lolThe eye test
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When stat whacking at perusing the internet for 2C options. What stats do y'all like to key on to compare? I think I've been too over-reliant on looking at xGF% at the exclusion of what could be other really meaningful metrics and am trying to get a new, perhaps broader perspective on how to statistically break down a center's play.
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