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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

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I take Manson every time too. He may have his flaws during the regular season but come playoff time he’s a beast. I like G but he’s not particularly good at any one thing besides the spins, which is nice and helps him allude defenders. But he’s not very fast, not good enough offensively, not good enough defensively and makes a lot of mistakes.

I don’t get it, he was coming along nicely until that Vegas series and now he’s gone to shit
 
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Avs9296 said:
The Manson hate is a little ridiculous around here. We probably don't win the cup without him, but we definitely DID win the cup without Girard.
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Manson played a not-insignificant part in the Cup win. It was a good trade. We can also say the extension was unnecessary and is already not starting well. Both things can be true.

And the Avs did not “win the Cup without Girard,” speaking of hate out of control. His name is on there too as well it should be.
 
Pokecheque said:
Manson played a not-insignificant part in the Cup win. It was a good trade. We can also say the extension was unnecessary and is already not starting well. Both things can be true.
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He got hurt by blocking a shot, I'd not say that he wasn't starting well. He wasn't worse than the other dmen on the team at the beginning of the season. Literally all of them weren't as good as last year, starting at the very top.

If you're looking for contracts that didn't start well look no further than the Captain's and Nichuskin's. Both 8 years, both needed surgery on year 1 and as of right now we have no clue of long term effects of those surgeries. What we can say though is their recovery sure isn't going faster than expected.
 
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dahrougem2 said:
I mean, the Avs utterly dominated the Blues after going down 1-0. I don't think Girard was make or break in that win lol. And it was Manson who scored the GWG in OT.
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Go rewatch that game. He was a big reason we dominated. That was the best he's ever looked. He was also good in game 2, but we did lose that one.
 
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forsbergavs32 said:
I take Manson every time too. He may have his flaws during the regular season but come playoff time he’s a beast. I like G but he’s not particularly good at any one thing besides the spins, which is nice and helps him allude defenders. But he’s not very fast, not good enough offensively, not good enough defensively and makes a lot of mistakes.

I don’t get it, he was coming along nicely until that Vegas series and now he’s gone to shit
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Actually defenders are more ready for it now and often times he doesnt get the separation he used to when doing it. He will do the spin move and have the defender on his ass and he often times just chips it off the glass and out. We dont see those amazing 3 line passes to a forward from him anymore.
 
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sethro109 said:
Go rewatch that game. He was a big reason we dominated. That was the best he's ever looked. He was also good in game 2, but we did lose that one.
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He was good and will get back to that, he needs time after that injury. Time and games
 
teoberto said:
Bottom pairing? Therefore EJ was going to be our 2nd line RD? I understand how people are freaking out to find creative way to squeeze a good 2C into our lineup, but re-signing Manson was and is NECESSARY for our cup hopes. At this stage, probably the most useful move is having Landy on LTIR until the end of the regular season. In that case there will be no issues squeezing in a Toews retained + JMFJ for a 1st + Ranta/Bowers/Kaut
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I'd like to say first that I agree on Manson. Nice conversation all around about him.

But as for the bolded, I think I'd rather stand pat. I don't think people realize just how bad Toews is. He's rocking a 39.47xGF% at 5v5. JT Compher is at 54.48, ERod is at 46.38, Jayson Megna was a 46.37. And as much as I love JMFJ, he's truly has become Chicago's tank commander.

From NHL Power Rankings: Santa Claus is coming to town, and he’s got his own hockey list

Last Week: 31
Record: 7-20-4
Dom rank: 31
Sean rank: 32​
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At the top of Santa’s nice list: Jack Johnson​
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It’s hard to think of a better tank move in recent history than putting Jack Johnson on a team’s top pair. Having a goaltending tandem of Petr Mrazek and Alex Stalock is up there too, but Johnson is showing a mesmerizing level of ineptitude this season. Chicago’s not shy about its goals of finishing dead last and landing Connor Bedard, and Johnson’s play has been a major catalyst toward that. He’s doing his part and Santa has definitely noticed.​

Oof...
 
Pokecheque said:
Manson played a not-insignificant part in the Cup win. It was a good trade. We can also say the extension was unnecessary and is already not starting well. Both things can be true.

And the Avs did not “win the Cup without Girard,” speaking of hate out of control. His name is on there too as well it should be.
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Who would have been the RD behind Makar? Manson’s deal is actually pretty fair considering what FA d-men (who are worse) signed for.
 
Muffin said:
Wonder if Drouin will finally be on the Avs next season. Sounds like the next reclamation project, we know the Avs love collecting those 2013 draft picks.
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I still remember MacK and Drouin play together. MacK set up Drouin with so many nice passes.
 
xbestboybandever said:
Who would have been the RD behind Makar? Manson’s deal is actually pretty fair considering what FA d-men (who are worse) signed for.
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I’ve mentioned that Ethan Bear was right there, signed to a low cap hit and could be had for a low draft pick. I get he’s not a big guy but he can skate and play in all three zones, and the Avs for a good long while there were doing just fine with a small, fast, skilled top four.
 
Pokecheque said:
I’ve mentioned that Ethan Bear was right there, signed to a low cap hit and could be had for a low draft pick. I get he’s not a big guy but he can skate and play in all three zones, and the Avs for a good long while there were doing just fine with a small, fast, skilled top four.
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If by that you mean choke in the 2nd round for years and years then sure.
 
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Muffin said:
If by that you mean choke in the 2nd round for years and years then sure.
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You are missing the point. I have maintained the trade was worth it, not arguing that at all. The extension is what I’m questioning, and to be honest I’m not really upset about it. I actually like Manson, the argument was whether Kadri could have been retained, and he could have been had the Avs tried something else to fill out their defensive depth chart.
 
Pokecheque said:
You are missing the point. I have maintained the trade was worth it, not arguing that at all. The extension is what I’m questioning, and to be honest I’m not really upset about it. I actually like Manson, the argument was whether Kadri could have been retained, and he could have been had the Avs tried something else to fill out their defensive depth chart.
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It was iffy giving Kadri that contract in the first place. Chances are Kadri won't repeat the season he had last year and he's looking like he's back to that 60 ish points 2C already in Calgary. Not to mention he's already 32 and on the first year of a 7 years contract.

Let's see what we do at the deadline to address the 2C first.
 
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