Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

[Foppberg]

O’Money cmon back home let’s go.

 

[The Merchant]

O’Money cmon back home let’s go.

 

[Foppberg]

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[The Merchant]

Setting aside the fact that he burned his bridges, the little skating ability he possessed is virtually gone. He would drown in this system

 

[Pokecheque]

It'd be end-all hilarious if this was merely mental he's just a fragile little flower despite his camp demanding top dollar because he's got all this CHARACTER to spare.

 

[Foppberg]

Setting aside the fact that he burned his bridges, the little skating ability he possessed is virtually gone. He would drown in this system

Sigh ...

Yeah I know. Just nostalgia.

 

[The Moops]

Let's just pry Crosby out of Pittsburg so he can play with his BFF

 

[Bender]

I am confused about the bLose Fire Sale thread on the main board. Weren't they a Kadri 'cheapshot' away from sweeping both the Oilers and the Lightning ???

 

[The Moops]

I am confused about the bLose Fire Sale thread on the main board. Weren't they a Kadri 'cheapshot' away from sweeping both the Oilers and the Lightning ???

Can't you see that the secret to their success was Perron? Without him we sweep them 2 years ago, with him they would have swept us, and now without him again they can't win a game.

Simply put Binnington can't make a save and they can't have 9 20 goal scorers if Perron isn't playing. He truly is the best player in the world!

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Can't you see that the secret to their success was Perron? Without him we sweep them 2 years ago, with him they would have swept us, and now without him again they can't win a game.

Simply put Binnington can't make a save and they can't have 9 20 goal scorers if Perron isn't playing. He truly is the best player in the world!

I don't think that's quite it, the key is that they have to have 9x20 Goalscorers, less than that they are nothing.

 

[Foppa2118]

Another thing to consider with Miller is that he can come double retained this year. A rare situation where he’s extended long term but his current contract ends at the end of the season. Double retention gives him a cap hit of like 1.3M for this seasoning meaning we can even keep Girard.

I don’t know what the cost would be. I assume it starts with Newhook (who they love) and from there you keep adding. But JT Miller makes a lot of sense to me.

I haven't been around here lately. Is there a reasons we think Vancouver may trade Miller after they just signed him a couple months ago? Doesn't look like he's part of the problem in Vancouver with 7 goals and 13 points in 13 games.

They're only 1 point out of a playoff spot too. Are they really trying to blow it up already?

 

[Pokecheque]

Another thing to consider with Miller is that he can come double retained this year. A rare situation where he’s extended long term but his current contract ends at the end of the season. Double retention gives him a cap hit of like 1.3M for this seasoning meaning we can even keep Girard.

I don’t know what the cost would be. I assume it starts with Newhook (who they love) and from there you keep adding. But JT Miller makes a lot of sense to me.

As someone else said on here, why would the Avs turn around and spend assets to get a player like Miller when they could've just signed Kadri, who's roughly the same age, at a lower cap hit?

I don't think that's quite it, the key is that they have to have 9x20 Goalscorers, less than that they are nothing.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

As someone else said on here, why would the Avs turn around and spend assets to get a player like Miller when they could've just signed Kadri, who's roughly the same age, at a lower cap hit?

The future cap raising projections are significantly higher than what they were in July while also coming into play a year earlier. Miller at 1.3M this year and a raising cap next year makes it much more workable than what signing Kadri for 6.5ish would have been in July. Friedman said moving Girard to fit in Kadri was simply something the Avs weren’t willing to do and that’s the only way that could have worked. Miller at 1.3M works now. Kadri didn’t.

 

[Foppa2118]

As someone else said on here, why would the Avs turn around and spend assets to get a player like Miller when they could've just signed Kadri, who's roughly the same age, at a lower cap hit?

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that Miller would be available, but they can probably squeeze him in at the deadline. Currently they have $7.7M in projected deadline space. Plus whatever cap hit they give up in trade. And there's a difference between the Avs cap situation this year and next year.

Bettman said the players might pay off the pandemic losses this year and the cap could get a $4M+ bump next season.

They were willing to bring Kadri back for a contract in the 6's. They can squeeze in Miller with moves like below.

Trade G if Bo has no more concussions. Bridge Bo for $5M. Bridge Newhook for $2M. Sign Meyers for $1.6M. Bring back Cogs and Helm or someone similar for the same price. Sign EJ for $1M. Sign Behrens to Meyers deal. Call up OO or someone similar. Go with MacDermid as the scratch for a 21 man roster like they've been doing the last few years. And If they can get Bo or Cogs/Helm for a little cheaper, that's more money to work with in case Newy and Meyers cost more.

 

[Balthazar]

They were willing to bring Kadri back for a contract in the 6's.

What? No they weren't. If they were he'd be an Av.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I really wonder if the Sampo recall is him getting showcased for a trade. It just feels weird that they picked him over others, especially since Malt was playing 4C, and now they don't have one on the roster.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What? No they weren't. If they were he'd be an Av.

Yeah they were. They offered him a contract in the 6’s.

 

[Balthazar]

Yeah they were. They offered him a contract in the 6’s.

Impossible. He signed for 49M in Calgary. Do the math.

Edit: unless you mean that they were offering him 3-4 years at 6M per. Then that's possible but they knew he'd never take that.

All the Avs had to do to match Calgary's offer was to offer him 8 X 6.125M and they didn't want to do it.

 

[MacKaRant]

Off of the Avs, that have any value (so not the Manson/EJ garbage), and would potentially even be moved (so not Makar)... the only players of value to Florida would be Toews or Byram. If you want to pry off one of their centers utilizing one of the Avs' defensemen, you have to center the deal around one of those two defensemen.

While no way Florida trades any significant piece of their current roster away for this type of player, didn't Florida just pay a king's ransom in futures for two months of Ben Chiarot last year? So to call them garbage is a bit harsh, no?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

While no way Florida trades any significant piece of their current roster away for this type of player, didn't Florida just pay a king's ransom in futures for two months of Ben Chiarot last year? So to call them garbage is a bit harsh, no?

Compared to Ben Chiarot, they unfortunately are garbage


At least EJ is. Manson is probably roughly a similar player, but his contract makes him much less valuable.

 

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Compared to Ben Chiarot, they unfortunately are garbage


At least EJ is. Manson is probably roughly a similar player, but his contract makes him much less valuable.

This… Manson and Chiarot are similar, but they weren’t locked in and that has some value. All are garbage

 

[The Abusement Park]

Impossible. He signed for 49M in Calgary. Do the math.

Edit: unless you mean that they were offering him 3-4 years at 6M per. Then that's possible but they knew he'd never take that.

All the Avs had to do to match Calgary's offer was to offer him 8 X 6.125M and they didn't want to do it.

They offered him 6x4.

 

[Vaslof]

Impossible. He signed for 49M in Calgary. Do the math.

Edit: unless you mean that they were offering him 3-4 years at 6M per. Then that's possible but they knew he'd never take that.

All the Avs had to do to match Calgary's offer was to offer him 8 X 6.125M and they didn't want to do it.

You wanted to be on the hook for 40 years old Kadri?

 

[The Abusement Park]

You wanted to be on the hook for 40 years old Kadri?

Years 4/5+ of the Kadri/Landy/Mack deals won’t matter tbf.

 

[ANewHope]

Compared to Ben Chiarot, they unfortunately are garbage


At least EJ is. Manson is probably roughly a similar player, but his contract makes him much less valuable.

People don't factor in how much teams value that "garbage" come playoff time tho. Chiarot/Manson both just signed long term deals at 30+ for 4+ mill a season by two GM's who are considered among the best in the game.

If Colorado was one of the worst teams in the league and dangled Manson out there at the deadline I bet somebody bites.