Oh Good Lord if Cirelli was available the Avs had better be on the damned phone. But he isn't, so whatever.
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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Just realized he was signed long term to a reasonable cap hit and is only 25 years old as well
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Bill Peckerskull
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BobRossColton
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They're not getting Horvat unless Bo or a combo of Hook/G/1st is going back the other way, or they can somehow involve a 3rd team that has what Vancouver wants. Even if Horvat is a UFA at season's end. Honestly, I'd rather they trade for Toews/Domi, and give up minimal assets than give up what it will take to get Horvat. They can always wait, keep better, cheaper, younger players, and sign Horvat as a UFA this offseason. JMO.
Cousin Eddie
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No. They're not going to give up their 2nd line center and two-way shutdown guy for a defenseman who hasn't yet proven he can stay reliably healthy.
Horvat won’t be that expensive. Vancouver is not letting his agent talk to teams so it’ll be rental price.
Rental price is still 1st + Newhook +
And that still gets best by other teams potentially.
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In all seriousness, if Anaheim picks top 3 in the upcoming draft (and they should) they'll get a center (Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson).
They already have Zegras and McTavish at center, they signed Strome for 5 years last summer (dumb) and have Henrique.
That's too many top 9 centers.
They already have Zegras and McTavish at center, they signed Strome for 5 years last summer (dumb) and have Henrique.
That's too many top 9 centers.
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Hagel is having a good season but to me the only way to justify that trade is another Cup. Otherwise two 1sts for him will always be hilarious (and terrible) IMO.
I don't know where he's at development-wise but if the Ducks were moving on from Lundestrom I wouldn't mind the Avs taking a shot.
I agree signing Strome was kinda silly but I suppose it gives them a good utility guy who can play up in the lineup if need be, but is really just a decent 3rd line center. I'm not a fan of the guy but there's no denying he really found his game in New York (and it wasn't just him riding Panarin's coattails either).
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He's having a shit year:
Regardless, probably not the kind of guy the Avs are looking for. The Strome signing at 5 X 5 was very bad IMO. The idea was probably to try to insulate the young centers but it's still bad. Not sure how they'll get rid of him to make room next season for their future 1C.
Tbh Henrique really is another option I quite like. Especially if you can get retention on his deal.
42 points last year(In 58 games) and 16 in 30 so far this year. But when you look at how bad the Ducks are and how little they are scoring, a 45 point pace really isn't bad. Definitely think he could be a 50-60 sort of guy here with 2 of Landy/Mikko/Lehky/Nuke as his wingers.
He's also not a 1 year solution. Signed for next year as well.
I think without retention he would carry very little value but if you get him retained he'd fetch a decent return.
I wonder if something like:
Colorado 2023 1st + Kaut for Henrique(@4.0M) + 2023 2nd(COL or Boston, whichever ends up the lower pick).
Could get a deal done.
Still a very solid two-way player, positive contributor on the PP, and I think 5 on 5 offense would improve considerably on this Avs team versus the Ducks.
42 points last year(In 58 games) and 16 in 30 so far this year. But when you look at how bad the Ducks are and how little they are scoring, a 45 point pace really isn't bad. Definitely think he could be a 50-60 sort of guy here with 2 of Landy/Mikko/Lehky/Nuke as his wingers.
He's also not a 1 year solution. Signed for next year as well.
I think without retention he would carry very little value but if you get him retained he'd fetch a decent return.
I wonder if something like:
Colorado 2023 1st + Kaut for Henrique(@4.0M) + 2023 2nd(COL or Boston, whichever ends up the lower pick).
Could get a deal done.
Still a very solid two-way player, positive contributor on the PP, and I think 5 on 5 offense would improve considerably on this Avs team versus the Ducks.
If the bar for trades being good is winning the Cup with said player.... that is WAY too high of a bar. Hagel is a massive success as long as he operates in a top 6 role at his cheap price. Tampa has massive cap issues and casualties have been forming for a few seasons. Having Hagel on the team this season at 1.5m gave them room to grab an extra top 9F/top 4D. One of Cole or Nameste basically. Next year it allows them to afford the raises on Cirelli, Serg, and Cernak. Getting a top 6 guy that is going to put up 25+ goals for 1.5m per is a tremendous value. The other option would be to rental trade for a top 9/top 4 spot in each of the 3 seasons of the deal. That would have cost a lot more.
I'd like Lundestrom here.
I don't think the Ducks really envisioned being this bad this year to where they'd be in the Bedard sweepstakes, but now that they are, I don't think they mind it. They'll move Henrique (who can and has been playing wing). Strome can play wing, or they can hold onto him until the summer of 24 after the big name kid gets a year under their belt. That year they can retain a million or two and get crazy value out of Strome.
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I like Henrique too but we have to be careful with the numbers, he plays wing on the first line at the moment. Chances are he'd not have those numbers at 2C in Anaheim.
Surprisingly he doesn't play on the PP at all, not even PP2.
He's having a shit year:
Regardless, probably not the kind of guy the Avs are looking for. The Strome signing at 5 X 5 was very bad IMO. The idea was probably to try to insulate the young centers but it's still bad. Not sure how they'll get rid of him to make room next season for their future 1C.
To be fair I don't think ANY of the Ducks are having a good year. It's not like we should ever look at the stars on that 2016-17 Avs team as an indicator of future performance.
That said I really don't know what they plan on doing with him or if he's any good at this point, so...meh.
Ducks will likely do what the Avs did once and the Sabres are doing now, move a couple of those guys to wing and sort it out later.
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Imagine having Bedard, Zegras and McTavish at center for the next 10+ years.
Could happen, but I'd lay odds that McTavish moves to wing if Anaheim gets Bedard or Fantilli.
If we are talking Tampa, an offseason move (since they won't move him in season) that I wouldn't mind is Colton. He's been in a 3rd or 4th line role the majority of his time there. He can play wing or center. He's shown in spurts that he can play a 2C role, just isn't near the top of the pecking order for that role. Got a hell of a shot and plays with an edge. He'd be a risk in a 2C sort of move, but he can certainly play 3C at a high level. He'd probably be able to be locked into a 4.5m deal over 4-5 years next summer as a RFA. If you strike out a few times, I think he's a guy to take a look at.
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Well if they have to trade McTavish they can theoretically fill a hole nicely.
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