Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

[EdAVSfan]

At the same time, if the cap crunch is going to be as bad as everyone says, then that means all the depth UFAs will be cheap if there’s no cap space to go around.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Yes, he's dirty. Yes, he's an idiot. Yes, he's an overpaid, aging forward on the decline who hasn't played center full time in years. All of these things are objectively true and inarguable and ineffable as the winds on the vast, icy plains of Mars.

Next.

How about Horvat to Avs

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I agree that Rantanen should stay on the wing. You know there’s going to be times in the playoffs where Bednar is going to be forced to switch the lines and get 9296 back together to generate some offense for a late game push or something. In those moments, we still need a capable 2C for that 2nd line.

It’s great that Rantanen is proving he might be valuable at the centre position. It’s tremendous to have that kind of versatility for times exactly like this. But I think this team needs to add somebody else capable of playing centre at a high level so all that pressure isn’t out on Rantanen.

 

[redacted]

At the same time, if the cap crunch is going to be as bad as everyone says, then that means all the depth UFAs will be cheap if there’s no cap space to go around.

The best depth players still get scooped up fast and at higher rates. The lesser ones will be cheaper. Still in year 3 of a crunch, many teams start getting out of it next season.

 

[Metallo]

Where is @Richard88 for cap compliant roster simulations for next year?

 

[ANewHope]

Feels like 3/4 of people here don't fully understand the kind of cap crunch that we are facing, even without a 2C. This board will be something next summer.

I think it's obvious it's going to be really tight and nobody can deny that. That's just a fact. It's more on how much faith you have in Sakic/C-Mac to pull something off. I think they've atleast earned a little patience before the doom and gloom sets in. We basically won a cup due to the pro scouting. Nuke, Lehky, Bura, Toews, Cogs were all affordable and picked up with reasonable assets.

Honestly more concerned about the injuries at the moment. If Byram can't stay healthy that's going to be a massive blow the next few years.

 

[AnimalMother73]

can someone explain how a flat cap doesn’t impact player salaries? What appears to be happening is the top players get more each year at the expense of the mid and lower tier salaries and/or forcing teams to use AHL players. If this were to go on long enough the quality of the game is going to suffer immensely.

 

[Chiarelli]

This league is a f***ing joke. Of course there'd be virtually zero cap growth during the heart of the Avs' Cup window.

Might help us too. Could squeeze a lot of guys to the point they’re willing to take Rodriguez type contracts and league min. At that point you go for a winner that will boost your stats.

 

[redacted]

can someone explain how a flat cap doesn’t impact player salaries? What appears to be happening is the top players get more each year at the expense of the mid and lower tier salaries and/or forcing teams to use AHL players. If this were to go on long enough the quality of the game is going to suffer immensely.

In a flat cap, teams prioritize their best players and fill in around the edges the best they can. They know they have to keep their core. Teams acquiring players still need to pay for high end talent and it is always in short supply… and more demand than supply. Thus they have their salaries still go up. Adding to that, teams know the cap will go up… eventually. So when term in there, teams project around that.

Saying that… right now the middle class of the NHL (middle 6 and middle pairing) guys are making bank. Their salaries percentage wise are increasing more than the top guys. 3rd line wings are nearing 5m on the UFA market. 5 years ago you could get solid 3rd line wings for 3m. 2nd line centers are making 1st line money of 3-4 years ago.

The guys getting hurt are your fringe guys, 4th liners, and 3rd pairing guys. They are getting squeezed heavily. 2 years from now they’ll get their increases though.

 

[PAZ]

can someone explain how a flat cap doesn’t impact player salaries? What appears to be happening is the top players get more each year at the expense of the mid and lower tier salaries and/or forcing teams to use AHL players. If this were to go on long enough the quality of the game is going to suffer immensely.

Because everyone knows the cap is going to increase, especially as there has been a lot of talk about the new TV deal bringing in significant revenue which is likely to bump up the cap significantly, hence the $86.5 mil cap rumors.

It appears that the rumor has been overstated since it sounds like it'll only go up 1 mil next year, but sooner than later the cap is going to increase, and top players are going to have that increase factored into their contract.

 

[Balthazar]

All that with top defensive play

 

[Vaslof]

Don't worry guys the 2C will be Kerfoot Jost Newhook Foudy

 

[Hasbro]

Because everyone knows the cap is going to increase, especially as there has been a lot of talk about the new TV deal bringing in significant revenue which is likely to bump up the cap significantly, hence the $86.5 mil cap rumors.

It appears that the rumor has been overstated since it sounds like it'll only go up 1 mil next year, but sooner than later the cap is going to increase, and top players are going to have that increase factored into their contract.

Which bears out MacSakic not extending Kadri.

 

[AvsCOL]

Been saying it since training camp, but this team is a good 2C away from repeating. Stay healthy and this team can go toe to toe with any team in hockey. They’re icing a glorified AHL team and almost beat the a fully healthy rangers team.

 

[The Abusement Park]

So the rumored cap increases have been +1 this year, +4 next year, +5 the year after IIRC. I’m sure it‘s far to complicated to work, but why not even it out and just improve it by 3mil each season instead?

 

[redacted]

So the rumored cap increases have been +1 this year, +4 next year, +5 the year after IIRC. I’m sure it‘s far to complicated to work, but why not even it out and just improve it by 3mil each season instead?

The NHL and NHLPA would have to negotiate an amendment to the CBA for that to happen. NHLPA has discussed it, but NHL doesn't really seem to want to do that. Which pretty much means the NHL wants something in return for the covid escrow extension (which is practically what that would be).

 

[The Abusement Park]

The NHL and NHLPA would have to negotiate an amendment to the CBA for that to happen. NHLPA has discussed it, but NHL doesn't really seem to want to do that. Which pretty much means the NHL wants something in return for the covid escrow extension (which is practically what that would be).

I assumed it wouldn’t be easy as it sounds. Just feel like that may be a better situation for everyone.

Or maybe not for the owners and league, that stuff is way over my head

 

[redacted]

I assumed it wouldn’t be easy as it sounds. Just feel like that may be a better situation for everyone.

Or maybe not for the owners and league, that stuff is way over my head

From the owners' perspective, they have basically footed the bill like the NHL has not lost any revenue since 2020. 2020 and 2021 were huge drops in revenue to the tune of 3b and 1.5ish would be the players' share the owners covered. Only last season was there a surplus to start paying that back and this season is doing that too... just not at a high enough rate. Easy to say the owners should continue to foot this bill since it isn't our money... but this isn't an insignificant decision. Probably another ~200-300m at the end of the season that they'd have to be okay letting slide for another year.

 

[Chiarelli]

Been saying it since training camp, but this team is a good 2C away from repeating. Stay healthy and this team can go toe to toe with any team in hockey. They’re icing a glorified AHL team and almost beat the a fully healthy rangers team.

Actually these injuries could be a blessing. Gives us a good look at what we have for next year and things to work on for the young guys.

 

[The Abusement Park]

From the owners' perspective, they have basically footed the bill like the NHL has not lost any revenue since 2020. 2020 and 2021 were huge drops in revenue to the tune of 3b and 1.5ish would be the players' share the owners covered. Only last season was there a surplus to start paying that back and this season is doing that too... just not at a high enough rate. Easy to say the owners should continue to foot this bill since it isn't our money... but this isn't an insignificant decision. Probably another ~200-300m at the end of the season that they'd have to be okay letting slide for another year.

Ahh put like that it makes a lot more sense.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

So the rumored cap increases have been +1 this year, +4 next year, +5 the year after IIRC. I’m sure it‘s far to complicated to work, but why not even it out and just improve it by 3mil each season instead?

I think this is exactly what we'll get.


Tbh Bettmans statement on the matter yesterday came across a lot as posturing to me. I think he's preparing for negotiations with the NHLPA about the cap and I suspect we end up seeing something like this be the result.

 

[chet1926]

Been saying it since training camp, but this team is a good 2C away from repeating. Stay healthy and this team can go toe to toe with any team in hockey. They’re icing a glorified AHL team and almost beat the a fully healthy rangers team.

I think most people have been saying address 2C and we can for sure compete for a 2nd Cup.

Problem with this though is clearly health. Obviously we have been staying afloat with the Eagles roster. But if we can't get healthy for an extended period of time it doesn't matter eventually this will catch up with us. And finding a 2C becomes not super necessary as we just won't be able to compete without close to a healthy roster.

If we get close to healthy and stay healthy we absolutely go for it and look for a 2C. Even if you add a rental guy like Toews or ROR it would be a big upgrade over our other options at 2C. And would make us very dangerous.

 

[Vaslof]

From the owners' perspective, they have basically footed the bill like the NHL has not lost any revenue since 2020. 2020 and 2021 were huge drops in revenue to the tune of 3b and 1.5ish would be the players' share the owners covered. Only last season was there a surplus to start paying that back and this season is doing that too... just not at a high enough rate. Easy to say the owners should continue to foot this bill since it isn't our money... but this isn't an insignificant decision. Probably another ~200-300m at the end of the season that they'd have to be okay letting slide for another year.

That seems fair. Not like the OPEC countries who raised oil prices to the sky, under reasoning that it was to cover their losses from Covid. That they did, then kept the price up anyway, cause what are you gonna do, invade the middle east?

 

[Alienblood]

That seems fair. Not like the OPEC countries who raised oil prices to the sky, under reasoning that it was to cover their losses from Covid. That they did, then kept the price up anyway, cause what are you gonna do, invade the middle east?

Already been done

 

[Muffin]

Anyone watch Monahan play lately? Is he actually decent again? He's putting up respectable numbers.