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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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I've long said the Avs should try Landy at center (going back to 2012)... but taking draws doesn't mean he's played center or capable of it. Adding to that, Bednar has never played Landy at center. Even when injuries hit the last go rounds, Rants went to center first.
I dunno, I like the presence of a puckmover or a guy who plays aggressively on that third pairing, but really, what the Avs need is a guy who can actually eat up the big minutes on the PK. EJ and Manson have not been cutting it, which has necessitated Makar playing on it, and that's been a big reason why he's wearing out in games.
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I’ll be honest, I forgot he has an ntc but realistically players with them get traded often so I do believe it can be done although I don’t mind him or his contract at this time. If he regresses more in the next year or two I will be worried at his price tag it not currently an issue in my view.
I think we can all agree that the cap tied up on defence needs a restructuring but how to do it successfully is the question. Johnson is the obvious answer but won’t happen, personally I’d keep Manson over Girard but it’s out of those two on who goes I believe. I don’t think Mansons ntc will provide too much of an issue if they go that route.
I still maintain that Manson or Girards contracts cannot stay on the bottom pair long term. For a cup run sure, but not long term.
I mean, I’d love EJ to be a little less crappy lol. If he cleaned up his defensive game a bit he’d be a very valuable player to this team again.
They don't tend to get traded with term though. They almost always get traded on the last year of their contracts and close to the deadline. The main reason for this is how bigger, physical defensemen age after 28-30. Teams have learned to not tie themselves to those players. With how Manson's regression has gone... I think you're looking at a Nemo/Rags situation if you look to move him with term.
I'd keep Girard over Manson quite easily. G for all of his flaws is a middle pairing defender on a good contract in his prime. He might be regressing from his peak, but he's unlikely to fall off a cliff in a year or two. I'd simply pair him up with Byram and deal with two left shots over getting rid of a useful player on a good deal. The issue here is that G can be a trade chip worth something to rebalance the team. Manson costs to get rid of.
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Schenn? Just bring JMFJ back with Kane then. He’s probably just as skilled (or lacking skill) as Schenn and we know he’s loved in the locker room
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Toews is signed for this season and the next. There is no rush.
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Schenn has actually looked really good in a shutdown role. He is a guy that has really grasped his limitations and plays quite good within them. Bit of a career resurgence.
This. We won a cup with Jack as our 3rd pairing D in the cup finals. He'd be fine to bring back as the 7D again. Schenn is going to end up costing some team with a worse D then ours a 1st round pick. We don't need him
IMO the sole focus on this roster should be 2C. Everywhere else is pretty well set. If they can ever get healthy...
Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ???? - Nuke
Newhook* - JTC - ERod
LOC - Helm - Cogliano
Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - EJ
That's a perfectly capable roster at winning a cup. You just need that solid 2C to play between Landy and Val. Maybe grab a cheap 7th Dman to bump Punchy down a spot. If they get Toews just throw in JJ and we're set.
*I will say, if Newhook ends up going out in a trade for a 2C like Horvat, probably a good idea to look for a 3rd line winger to replace him. Ideally one with a bit of term.
What I'd really like to see the Avs do if they go for a rental 2C instead of a longer term solution... Trade Newhook + Pick for Toews and JJ. Then instead if trading our 1st for a rental, trade it for a similar sort of deal as Lehky last year or the deal Tampa made to get Hagel/Coleman/Goodrow in prior years.
Basically use the 1st to get a really good 3rd liner with some term that can help stabilize that line going forward. Not sure who that player would be, but that's the type of deal I hope to see the Avs make.
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schenn is not worth the investment for the avs. he'll be a highly sought after piece due for the way he plays the game and for the simple fact he's affordable to every playoff contender. demand will be high so i expect there to be a bidding war. unless there is injuries his role on this team would be a 6th/7th dman.
avs only have so many future left to move. those assets would probably be better used to add a high end 2c or just more depth scoring forwards.
avs only have so many future left to move. those assets would probably be better used to add a high end 2c or just more depth scoring forwards.
I'd love him here... I don't think Washington is ready to give up though.
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I doubt they trade newhook or any roster player for that matter. That lineup looks good when you add a 2C but there’s zero depth and injuries will occur. Cup winning team lost cogliano, kadri, bura, and girard all for various lengths and nuke played with a broken foot.
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I think we keep Newhook at this point. Him and Byram should be cheaper than expected next season too.
Newhook is looking at 3s to low 4s. He’ll put up near 40 points. Byram is a complete who knows. If he comes back, puts up 40 points in say 50 games… he’ll still get paid. If he only plays say 20 more games, Avs can play hardball.
I wouldn't say there's no depth. Meyers, Hunt Foudy, and Kaut would make for solid injury reserve guys at forward.
They probably want a 7D to bump MacDermid down, but I also mentioned that.
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I’ve been one of the harder posters here on Newhook but if he stays I’ll be ok with it. However I don’t think it’s possible to solve the 2c issue without including him and this years first, unless they go for a project 2c. If they do that then I’ll be very disappointed personally. Unless they swing for the fences with Byram as bait I can’t see how Newhook won’t be included in a trade of some sort.
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Newhook shouldn’t be included for a rental. He may not be a center but that doesn’t mean he’s not good.
If he's not a Center what use do we have for him?
We have all of our top 6 wingers locked up long term. Lehky, Landy, Nuke, Mikko aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
And we can't afford a 3rd line winger making $3M, let alone $4M like Newhook probably gets.
He's simply a very logical trade chip if he's not a Center. Which he isn't.
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Not at $4.5M he's not...
Plus he has great chemistry with Mack and Mikko. He is clearly a top 6 forward for us long term.
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What's your point? We can't afford 3rd liners making $3M. How are we going to afford a 3rd liner making $4.5M?
Lehkonen is a Top 6 forward for us. Simple as that
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Agree to disagree. He’s a middle 6 winger that can play up in the lineup. Newhook has the skill to be a top 6 guy permanently.
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