As a depth defender he’s a definite upgrade to what we have imo, but I do agree that the cost could outweigh the positives of acquiring him.
I don’t think he any better (or even close) than Manson… and not sure if he’s any better than EJ.
I agree on Manson, who is definitely a superior player. But I also firmly believe he is a better player than johnson. I’ve said all along that Johnson deserves to ride his career out with the Avs and don’t begrudge him or the effort he puts in. But he is a replacement level dman at this point. Who is also prone to injury. Having Schenn as a physical defensive style player who can pk and keep lanes clear is something I think should be valued fairly highly as we don’t have many players who are effective at that role. Manson does at times, and EJ tries, ineffectively, but that’s it. At that cap hit, for what he brings, I don’t know if a much better fit out there?
He is a depth defenceman, but that is what we need. We have a top 4 already and are strapped for capspace. Outside of the obvious 2c needs how else would you rather fill out our depth? At the bottom six? Everyone we target is gonna have warts.
There should always be caution with that... a number of pro scouts for different teams are based in Denver (at least 5 that I know of). Even those scouts that aren't based in Denver... those from Phoenix, Vegas, and St Louis spend a lot of time in Denver too.
I just don't see that with Schenn. He's physical, but he's basically the same as EJ. I'd personally rather get another RD that can actually skate to push Manson down to the bottom pairing and give G/Byram a better partner.
That’s more of a major move, no? We would have to free up quite a bit of capspace for that alone, not to mention the needed space for a 2c. Pushing Manson down the lineup doesn’t make sense to me at his caphit, at that point you may as well look to trade home for a preferred style of defenceman as we should not have that much salary tied up on a third pairing defender long term.
It is also easy to fly through Denver on the friendly skies, and drop into the sack for a game.
I’m not fixated on him, just replying to your responses. The only time I’ve brought him up is 20 minutes ago lol. And “perfect fit” does apply in the sense of a depth acquisition. What are you looking for when looking for depth? Because everyone seemed quite happy with JJ as a depth player and he also has career long horrid defensive numbers.
2C should absolutely take priority, but a 4/5RD doesn't have to be super expensive.
Look at how many teams are looking for a top 4 RD. They are rare as f***.
Okay, fair enough, but my "dismissive" tone is more aimed at Schenn than at you. He's just not that good a player, and depth defenseman are exceedingly easy to find.
No arguement here on 2c. On the sunk cost I think that is obvious that you play them where they belong and not on what they make but at the same time Manson can be traded if need be. If they get that player to bump him down, great, but that’s only a short term solution. We can’t let that contract sit on the third pairing long term, it’s just too much for that role. EJ earned his opportunity to stay within the organization despite his cost but Manson certainly has not. If he is to be used in a third pairing capacity here he has to go imo. And I know you’re not his biggest fan, of maybe the player or the contract I don’t know, but I think if push comes to shove, he could be moved fairly easily. His contract is not unmoveable, but again this is more of a major move than a depth move.
That’s fine, I guess we disagree on the player but that’s to be expected when people discuss depth players. I just don’t see too many known options out there and I’d prefer to see a defensive style acquisition over transitional when talking about depth defenders. I want low event hockey from my third pairing instead of a player trying to do too much.
Not as rare as people think... you can find them with reasonable frequency. Rare are the guys that can carry middle pairings, but the Avs don't need that.
I mean if we didn’t have EJ maybe. But you’re getting a less crappy(barely)version of EJ. Don’t see the need really at all.
