What's the strategy this time? Tank for 4th OA, win 1st OA?
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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Pretend not to tank, garner sympathy for injuries, luck into 1st OA after winning draft lottery with worst odds where 1OA is available
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Tank hard for Bedard.
I could easily see the Avs being passed by Sharks and Sens during this stretch without Macginnon. just do what 90% of these boards want and trade away Girard, Compher and maybe even Frankie if someone is interested. all for futures, of course. get a very high pick this year, since this franchise only knows how to pick when inside Top 10. with this new guy, you solve either the 2C, add a top 6 forward, another top 4 D... in an entry level contract, something very much welcomed right now.
I could easily see the Avs being passed by Sharks and Sens during this stretch without Macginnon. just do what 90% of these boards want and trade away Girard, Compher and maybe even Frankie if someone is interested. all for futures, of course. get a very high pick this year, since this franchise only knows how to pick when inside Top 10. with this new guy, you solve either the 2C, add a top 6 forward, another top 4 D... in an entry level contract, something very much welcomed right now.
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Half of you are talking about trading for J Toews and the other half are talking about trading away D Toews.
And for that I hate you all. JK <3
And for that I hate you all. JK <3
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That was my fault, I think. I tried to make a very subtle joke that with our injury situation we'll more likely be sellers at the deadline, and it seems that it was too subtle as it led to serious discussion about trading our second best D.
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Guys. Come on.
The Avalanche are not going to tank for the 1st overall pick, or a high draft pick, or any draft pick. They are - when healthy - one of the top 3 talented teams in the world, if not the 1st. This tanking thing is a silly discussion.
Yes, this injury bug is fairly incredible. But even in a scenario where they have a bad December, they'll be at least near the playoff bubble, they'll get their players back in January with a good half season to play, and will easily finish in the top 8 of a relatively weak Western conference. And that's not even taking into account any potential trade deadline improvements.
No way on earth they tank. Zero chance.
The Avalanche are not going to tank for the 1st overall pick, or a high draft pick, or any draft pick. They are - when healthy - one of the top 3 talented teams in the world, if not the 1st. This tanking thing is a silly discussion.
Yes, this injury bug is fairly incredible. But even in a scenario where they have a bad December, they'll be at least near the playoff bubble, they'll get their players back in January with a good half season to play, and will easily finish in the top 8 of a relatively weak Western conference. And that's not even taking into account any potential trade deadline improvements.
No way on earth they tank. Zero chance.
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There is a lot of jest in here about tanking... but the absolute worst case is this:
I simply don't see that happening either. To me, the low end of reality is one of the Wild Card spots... which the 8th spot would really be nice to avoid (don't want Vegas in the 1st round). Staying on the Central side should allow a solid chance to get back to the conference finals (Avs need to figure out the 2C spot no matter what). Dallas, Winnipeg and Minny are all solid teams... but really all of those teams need to add to get a complete lineup. Dallas and Winnipeg are closer than Minny (though if Minny swings a Horvat trade that could change).
The Pacific side is a lot scarier to me... Vegas is an elite team and most complete team in the West as long as Thompson continues his play. They also still have a decent amount of assets to shore up that team further. Seattle is goaltending away from being able to beat anyone in a series. I don't think they are a contender, but good enough to push any team. If it clicks with Grubi or they make a move, that team is scary. LA is kind of a similar story... another team that has great underlying and just getting poor goaltending. Calgary and Edmonton are both clearly talented teams that have some issues, but if they gel, they can clearly win.
TLDR... make the playoffs, stay on the central side. Those are the biggest keys for the regular season, and easily attainable even with the injuries. From there, shoring up 2C will be key (3C would be nice as well, but quality of 2C fix could change that... IE Kadri playing like a 1C last year and Compher stepping up eased that pressure).
I simply don't see that happening either. To me, the low end of reality is one of the Wild Card spots... which the 8th spot would really be nice to avoid (don't want Vegas in the 1st round). Staying on the Central side should allow a solid chance to get back to the conference finals (Avs need to figure out the 2C spot no matter what). Dallas, Winnipeg and Minny are all solid teams... but really all of those teams need to add to get a complete lineup. Dallas and Winnipeg are closer than Minny (though if Minny swings a Horvat trade that could change).
The Pacific side is a lot scarier to me... Vegas is an elite team and most complete team in the West as long as Thompson continues his play. They also still have a decent amount of assets to shore up that team further. Seattle is goaltending away from being able to beat anyone in a series. I don't think they are a contender, but good enough to push any team. If it clicks with Grubi or they make a move, that team is scary. LA is kind of a similar story... another team that has great underlying and just getting poor goaltending. Calgary and Edmonton are both clearly talented teams that have some issues, but if they gel, they can clearly win.
TLDR... make the playoffs, stay on the central side. Those are the biggest keys for the regular season, and easily attainable even with the injuries. From there, shoring up 2C will be key (3C would be nice as well, but quality of 2C fix could change that... IE Kadri playing like a 1C last year and Compher stepping up eased that pressure).
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Svechnikov, LW/RW (the bad one) [SJ] is on waivers as is Toninato, C [Win]
Avs should claim both.
They are both making $750K and cannot possibly be worse that Galchenyuk and especially Jason "we have FIVE top-6 forwards out and SIX of our 12 forwards and I STILL look like I belong in the ECHL" Megna. <- This guy is on a Cliche/Shantz level of uselessness.
Avs should claim both.
They are both making $750K and cannot possibly be worse that Galchenyuk and especially Jason "we have FIVE top-6 forwards out and SIX of our 12 forwards and I STILL look like I belong in the ECHL" Megna. <- This guy is on a Cliche/Shantz level of uselessness.
This.
It’s asinine to talk seriously about tanking (it’s also tiresome to joke about tanking but whatever) but even if they were to try there’s no way in hell they even catch teams like Anaheim, Arizona, and Chicago who are well on their way to a bottom five finish.
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People are forgetting how quality we are full strength. Best roster in the league. I don't want to bring in big name players if it costs us various depth players and picks.
Lehk - Mack - Rants
Landy - E-Rod - Nuke
Newy - Galch - JT
Cogs - Helm - LOC
Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - EJ
Georgy
Franky
Ridiculously great.
Lehk - Mack - Rants
Landy - E-Rod - Nuke
Newy - Galch - JT
Cogs - Helm - LOC
Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
Girard - EJ
Georgy
Franky
Ridiculously great.
E-Rod and Chuck as 2/3Cs would be bottom 5 in the league.
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Give them time, you'll see.E-Rod and Chuck as 2/3Cs would be bottom 5 in the league.
Everyone was writing off Newhook, and he's turned a corner or two, huh.
They'll be back bigger and better.
Also, you know JT was 2C last year when Kadri was injured, and we thrived. We don't need a 7 million dollar 2C to be successful, mate.
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To me, there's no question there'll be competition. But you don't tank a cup-competitive team, just because there's competition.
If we look at last year's team that went 16-4 in the playoffs and won the Cup, and this year's team (full roster when healthy), there are only a few differences:
- Kadri replaced by Rodriques. (A rough downgrade).
- Kuemper replaced by Giorgiev. (A wash, particularly given how Kuemper played).
- JFJ replaced by Girard. (An upgrade).
- A one-legged Landeskog replaced by the two-legged version. Hopefully.
This is a very good, talented roster. It's not perfect, but what roster is? If they can stay close to the 8th spot for another month, start getting regular players back for the 2nd half of the season and play the way they should, I think they'll easily make the playoffs.
And that doesn't take into account roster improvement at the deadline. Of course, other contending teams will do that also.
As Hench said, that 2C/3C listing is ugly business.
And why would you play Galchenyuk at 3C over either Newhook or Compher? Yuck.
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You have to look at the team as a whole. Our backend carries a lot of weight. You need a balanced roster. As I said above, JT thrived at 2C last season when Kadri was injured for blocks..
Swap Newy / Galch if that works. We need.to give Galch time to acclimatise. He was brought in and there was an instant heavy reliance on him due to injury.
BUT, this period with help us grow as a team. Guarantee we'll be better for it.
We can't afford 6M - 7M players at 2C with the talent everywhere else. Seriously, Landy, Mack, Rants, Nuke, Lehk, Makar, Toews, Byram, G etc etc etc. Crazy stuff.
Full strength we are balanced. That's why guys like Nuke, Kadri, Donskoi, Bura, Calvert and so many others grow to a completely different level here.
You watch E-Rod with Nuke and Landy.for example.
I think we need to show patience is all.. Tough period, but we'll come through fighting..
I've seen those players play center, even E-Rod here... they suck for those roles. ERod at 3 might be passable, but Compher can too. Chucky... he'll make you want to stab your eyes with a dull knife.
I've always said Newhook would be a solid to good 2nd line wing. He's just not a center. If that is considered writing him off... very odd definition of that.
Oh I agree you don't tank the team and the Avs absolutely should be pushing as hard as they can to win right now. We could squabble over some names, but the overall message is they Avs need to be pushing.
One thing to note with this, teams rarely actually win with their best teams on paper and no teams are ever fully static. So upgrading or downgrading may not say something either way. To me Vegas really isn't all that much different of a team on paper than last year, but they are healthy and Eichel is Eichel again. Stone is healthy. Goaltending is actually there. So the performance of the team is vastly different. Meanwhile I'll argue that Seattle is a very large step forward in their roster and we don't know where that exactly falls yet. I think if they get a goalie, they can beat anyone, including the Avs. I don't think they can do it for 4 rounds, but 2... I could see.
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Okay, maybe what I said was a bit of a generalisation, but there were many saying he wasn't doing well.
I trust our teams recruitment entirely to get things right. They build a specific team to get desired outcomes. We haven't seen that team yet (as KEY players have been absent) the whole time.
Can we just agree to wait until Helm, Landy, Nuke, Lehk, Mack, Byram and others are back before we call for drastic change , or judge performance on players playing with new linemates every other night ?
If you're waiting for 100% health... that'll just never happen. Avs need a good 2C. You can make individual games without them, but 4 series, it just doesn't work.
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My biggest question in regards to Vegas, is their goaltending. No proven past, etc.
Though I suppose any non-homer would have the exact same concern about Colorado's.
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But like any team we can accommodate a normal spate of injuries. This period for us is freakish.
Also, Kadri missed a block of the playoffs with his hand mate.
Come playoffs, our lines and combinations will have time to have grown and build both chemistry and consistency.
We'll be a totally different machine (of which we've already seen glimpses this season) - beating up teams like Carolina..
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