Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

[ANewHope]

I think what the Avs do with the 1st round pick this year will be be entirely dependent on how the season plays out. If MacKinnon misses a bunch of time and we slide a bunch no chance Sakic gives it away for a rental. I could see it getting moved for Toews if we get healthy and survive the injuries.

I also still could see a complete random being the target. Trying to hit on a 2C like we did with Toew, Bura, Nuke, Georgiev etc.

 

[Hasbro]

 

[EdAVSfan]

I haven't really been following the conservation too closely, but Devon Toews absolutely nets us a 1st++ if we trade him to a contending team at the deadline, don't know why we're arguing whether Toews nets a first rounder

The discussion is about Jonathan Toews and whether he gets a 1st. Not Devon.

 

[ANewHope]

Devon Toews would have to have really high trade value right? Top pairing defender making 4.1 mill a year. Would be easy for teams who want to win to fit in. I know you'll have to pay him soon but he was a late bloomer and only 28 and in theory should age pretty well.

Obviously with the injuries we can't afford to trade him and IMO Sakic never would because of his contract but if we ever got healthy he could probably bring back alot of assets you'd think.

 

[Chiarelli]

Pick them both up…? They can’t be worse than Chucky and Megna can they?

Different skillset but you’re not wrong either

 

[The Abusement Park]

Bednar is in his office crying his eyes out.

Of joy I’m assuming?

 

[Foppa2118]

J Toews is gonna drive the bus on his trade. He's got a full NMC, the Avs are the most exciting team in the NHL, and Sakic was his favorite player growing up. So there's a chance we're his first and possibly only choice.

The question is do they need double retention and how much is it gonna cost? Fortunately, he's only making $2.9M in salary this year, so Chicago would only need to retain the prorated $1.45M and then the second team only the prorated $725k. Giving him whatever the prorated $2.625 cap hit is for the Avs.

Which is good, because with all these injury callups the Avs are probably gonna have like $5 at the deadline.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Devon Toews would have to have really high trade value right? Top pairing defender making 4.1 mill a year. Would be easy for teams who want to win to fit in. I know you'll have to pay him soon but he was a late bloomer and only 28 and in theory should age pretty well.

Obviously with the injuries we can't afford to trade him and IMO Sakic never would because of his contract but if we ever got healthy he could probably bring back alot of assets you'd think.

I don’t see Toews getting traded. But in the hypothetical scenario he does he’d go for a f***ing boatload.

 

[ANewHope]

I don’t see Toews getting traded. But in the hypothetical scenario he does he’d go for a f***ing boatload.

He'd probably be my choice to trade because he's not signed long term and you'd get a massive haul. Girard's value is dropping by the day and Bo while a massive question mark health wise makes more sense for the Avs long term.

I don't think the Avs even think of moving him. I can't think of a single time a top pairing defender got traded on a contender when they had a huge discounted contract. It would take a team offering up an elite young 1C which will never happen. Swapping out a defender for a C when we get healthy makes a ton of sense but I just don't think the Avs have any interest in moving Bo/Toews and Girard's value likely isn't high enough to make it worth it. I think not moving Girard in the offseason will be looked at as a big mistake.

 

[The Abusement Park]

He'd probably be my choice to trade because he's not signed long term and you'd get a massive haul. Girard's value is dropping by the day and Bo while a massive question mark health wise makes more sense for the Avs long term.

I don't think the Avs even think of moving him. I can't think of a single time a top pairing defender got traded on a contender when they had a huge discounted contract. It would take a team offering up an elite young 1C which will never happen. Swapping out a defender for a C when we get healthy makes a ton of sense but I just don't think the Avs have any interest in moving Bo/Toews and Girard's value likely isn't high enough to make it worth it. I think not moving Girard in the offseason will be looked at as a big mistake.

He’d also be the guy to keep for the reasons you bring up there. If you move Toews then you’re relying on a guy who can’t stay healthy and a guy who’s been trending down for some time. Sticky situation.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'd be shocked if they traded Devon Toews instead of Girard. Makes sense for so many reasons to move G instead. Likely in the off season.

Toews is better offensively and defensively. Better shot. Has proven chemistry with the best defenseman in the league in Makar. Plays on the PK. Cheaper next year. Turns 29 in February and has the kind of skating and cerebral style that would let him play at a high level into his mid-late 30's.

Also the uncertainty over Byram's long term health would make them want to keep the two way guy for insurance.

 

[BoneCherry]

I'd keep Devon and trade Girard for a poodle.

Devon Toews is probably a better keep than Byram at this point. That's just my opinion right now.

 

[Alienblood]

After reading how Karlsson carried those sens teams and still produced, time to see what Makar can do with like 4 nhlers.

I was gonna say it's time for Makar to carry the team in his back.

 

[Balthazar]

I'm pretty sure that people who want to trade Girard at all cost subconsciously think that he's going to be replaced by a bigger Girard who eats the same minutes and not by a dman like Macdermid/Macdonald/Englund.

 

[Mighty Makar]

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm pretty sure that people who want to trade Girard at all cost subconsciously think that he's going to be replaced by a bigger Girard who eats the same minutes and not by a dman like Macdermid/Macdonald/Englund.

Who are these people that want to trade Girard at all cost? The only reason people talk about moving him is because they can't afford to keep both G and Toews under the cap.

If G is traded in the off season, he'd be replaced on the roster by a cheap UFA looking to go Cup hunting, or Behrens on the bottom pair. Exactly the same as if Toews were traded. Byram would take the difference in minutes.

 

[milehigh11]

Maybe its time to embrace the suck and cross our fingers in the draft after we keep our 2023 1st rd pick....

/s

Day after day it keeps getting worse and now without MacKinnon the one player besides Makar we couldnt lose and is now gone for 4 weeks. Its gonna look bad out there with zero centers on the team.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Maybe its time to embrace the suck and cross our fingers in the draft after we keep our 2023 1st rd pick....

/s

Day after day it keeps getting worse and now without MacKinnon the one player besides Makar we couldnt lose and is now gone for 4 weeks. Its gonna look bad out there with zero centers on the team.

Nah, if we can tread water until healthy it’ll be a big moral boost to the boys and they’ll go on a tear. Just gotta be in it until the deadline and they can make a move or two to shore up holes… we can’t waste any years with this core even if it looks bleak right now. They hold themselves to a higher standard than to tank and we should too. There’s still enough raw talent on this team to be a middling sort in the west while we go through whatever the hell this is.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Can't tread water with this roster. Will fall too far back and won't catch up. More teams in central are starting to play better. Need a top 6 C right now

 

[Foppa2118]

I keep seeing this new narrative get repeated that the Avs suck at finding centers.

They drafted Stastny, Duchene, ROR, and MacKinnon. They traded for Kadri. They traded for JTC as a prospect who's a decent 3C. Even Kerfoot who they signed out of college is a decent center. Johnny Mitchell was a decent bottom 6 center. Hishon would have had a decent NHL career. Newhook's NHL career hasn't been written. Foudy was drafted as a center as well and he's looked pretty good his first few games.

Really the whole center narrative was blown out of proportion to begin with, since there was really only 2 years out of the last 13 that they didn't have both good center depth and two high quality centers, and that was with MacKinnon and Kefoot/Soda. Kerfoot had 43 and 42 points and Soda had 37 and 49. Centers weren't the problem those years anyway it was their defense.

2009-2013 - Duchene-Stastny-ROR
2013-2014 - Duchene-Stastny-ROR-MacKinnon
2015-2015 - MacKinnon-Duchene-ROR-Soderberg
2016-2017 - MacKinnon-Duchene-Soderberg-Mitchell
2017-2018 - MacKinnon-Kerfoot-Soderberg
2019-2021 - MacKinnon-Kadri-Compher

It's hard to find top centers in the NHL. Almost as hard as finding top defenseman. Everyone wants them. Avs have been better than most at finding them.

They just weren't in a position cap wise to add an expensive 2C at the beginning of this year. I expect them to bring in someone good at the deadline and/or the off season though.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I keep seeing this new narrative get repeated that the Avs suck at finding centers.

They drafted Stastny, Duchene, ROR, and MacKinnon. They traded for Kadri. They traded for JTC as a prospect who's a decent 3C. Even Kerfoot who they signed out of college is a decent center. Johnny Mitchell was a decent bottom 6 center. Hishon would have had a decent NHL career. Newhook's NHL career hasn't been written. Foudy was drafted as a center as well and he's looked pretty good his first few games.

Really the whole center narrative was blown out of proportion to begin with, since there was really only 2 years out of the last 13 that they didn't have both good center depth and two high quality centers, and that was with MacKinnon and Kefoot/Soda. Kerfoot had 43 and 42 points and Soda had 37 and 49. Centers weren't the problem those years anyway it was their defense.

2009-2013 - Duchene-Stastny-ROR
2013-2014 - Duchene-Stastny-ROR-MacKinnon
2015-2015 - MacKinnon-Duchene-ROR-Soderberg
2016-2017 - MacKinnon-Duchene-Soderberg-Mitchell
2017-2018 - MacKinnon-Kerfoot-Soderberg
2019-2021 - MacKinnon-Kadri-Compher

It's hard to find top centers in the NHL. Almost as hard as finding top defenseman. Everyone wants them. Avs have been better than most at finding them.

They just weren't in a position cap wise to add an expensive 2C at the beginning of this year. I expect them to bring in someone good at the deadline and/or the off season though.

I mean it’s mainly that one dude who pushes the C narrative and well when does he ever push anything positive. Lately they’ve definitely had some problems with drafting C‘s, but I think that’s more related to the Avs just having pretty bad amateur scouting than anything else.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

We can't trade the first round pick now, unless protected. This pick could be #1 overall, if things keep spiraling like this. We just need to wait and save assets and fix this next summer.

We need to wait out and see who will come back from injuries. If everyone is back for the playoffs and we can improve the team during trade deadline, we could be a solid team. Now we are trash (in this moment). If these injuries keep piling up, just let it be.. drop this season and aim to fix the team next off-season.

I don't want to overpay for a center right now. Other teams are looking for one as well. We would get smoked by teams because we are in a desperate situation.. it would cost fortune.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

The West sucks ass so they can't tank, this is not the Hawks/Kings era when there were a bunch of top teams in the conference. Even if they fall flat in December they are battling teams close to .500 for the wild card spot.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I’m just saying, these injuries are going to lead to a similar result as when the Spurs lost the Admiral for a year and lucked into Tim Duncan. MacK and Bedard down the middle for years is going to lead to championships

 

[TruePowerSlave]

I’m just saying, these injuries are going to lead to a similar result as when the Spurs lost the Admiral for a year and lucked into Tim Duncan. MacK and Bedard down the middle for years is going to lead to championships

Worst case scenario they will barely miss the playoffs like Vegas last season. They can't draft the top guys in that scenario either and knowing the Avs draft record it would be better to just trade the pick.