Yep.
That graphic is a complete f***ing lie. LTIR guys that are never going to play again are included.
It's a joke of an example.
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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Yep.
That graphic is a complete f***ing lie. LTIR guys that are never going to play again are included.
It's a joke of an example.
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Orrrr...maybe they value the 2C position as much but disagree with most of you on when to get the player and/or how much to pay for that player. If we believe the rumors they have been involved in discussions for Horvat and reported to be looking at other options.
Regarding your comment on already having a cup by now that is very easy to say but nobody knows how that could have turned out. They could have easily pay the bills at the time (to use your analogy) and miss out like a lot of teams do when getting those high priced/high caliber players available at the trade deadlines, or wait when they felt they had the best chance to go for it. In the end like you said they end up with at least one cup so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.
In the end I think we all agree on what holes to fill to increase our chances to win another cup. It's the risk to take/price to pay/timing to fill those holes that people disagree on.
I don't understand people writing Newhook off as a centre at this point in his career. Unless the player is an absolute superstar there is no way that he is a Stanley Cup quality 2C at 100 games into his career. It just doesn't work like that for non super-elite players. We should be projecting him into his optimal role like 4 years into his career, which means he isn't even half-way through his NHL development yet. The point is, we have no idea what he is right now.
If you are talking about this year, yeah, Newhook is not going to be properly suited to be our 2C -- at least, for the playoffs which are where it really matters. I think it's actually good for him to play up and down the lineup in a middle-six role. The same is most likely to be true next season, though there is a possibility he is ready by the END of next year. By that time he will literally have doubled his NHL GP.
We absolutely need a rental for this year, or we can include Newhook in a deal which brings in a non-rental replacement. Given cap reasons, it would be great to keep Newhook if possible, but given our lack of assets, it might not be.
Girard is an obvious candidate to move, but I don't think teams are lining up for him which makes his value low. Additionally, Sakic appears to be exceptionally loyal to player's under contract. It really makes no sense that we didn't buyout or dump EJ, and while I don't think Girard is a negative asset, he definitely isn't what we need in comparison to a 2C. Personally, I don't understand why this wasn't addressed in the offseason. Even straight up dumping Girard for some 2nd round picks and signing Kadri (or sign or trade for any other centre) would have been better for us than the route we took, and I really think loyalty to the player's contracts is the reason we didn't go this way.
If you are talking about this year, yeah, Newhook is not going to be properly suited to be our 2C -- at least, for the playoffs which are where it really matters. I think it's actually good for him to play up and down the lineup in a middle-six role. The same is most likely to be true next season, though there is a possibility he is ready by the END of next year. By that time he will literally have doubled his NHL GP.
We absolutely need a rental for this year, or we can include Newhook in a deal which brings in a non-rental replacement. Given cap reasons, it would be great to keep Newhook if possible, but given our lack of assets, it might not be.
Girard is an obvious candidate to move, but I don't think teams are lining up for him which makes his value low. Additionally, Sakic appears to be exceptionally loyal to player's under contract. It really makes no sense that we didn't buyout or dump EJ, and while I don't think Girard is a negative asset, he definitely isn't what we need in comparison to a 2C. Personally, I don't understand why this wasn't addressed in the offseason. Even straight up dumping Girard for some 2nd round picks and signing Kadri (or sign or trade for any other centre) would have been better for us than the route we took, and I really think loyalty to the player's contracts is the reason we didn't go this way.
There are plenty of ways to look at it. CHIP, LWAR, CMIP, AMIP total games, how many key bumps are gone from the locker room... take your pick and you can likely create a narrative in many directions. Then go from there and extrapolate xG. No matter how you slice it though, Avs are more in the 3-10 range of impact. I think the Avs are 10th in CMIP, 5th in LWAR, and 4th in CHIP.
Fair enough. NJ/Vegas probably don't warrant comparison, but Tor/Bos definitely do. And they're completely fine despite being decimated by injuries (Boston early on, Toronto currently), in both record and underlying stats.
The whole point of scouting is looking at skill sets and understanding fit and projection of that. Newhook has never had the skill set to be a successful center in the NHL. So many teams really want to fight this whole idea, but there is a very clear pattern that emerges every single time. Small centers without elite skating tend to not make it as top 6 centers. There are about 1 or 2 exceptions every 10 years and they tend to be IQ related. Newhook also does not possess elite hockey IQ.
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I don't think TOR compares to COL on quality of players injured. Rielly just went down not too long ago so really it is only Muzzin and Brodie. We are not far from TOR considering we have 4 games in hand. BOS I agree though. I would argue the other teams that match COL on importance of injured players are doing worst or much worst than COL.
When you are missing the type of players COL is missing a bad game will most likely look REALLY bad. Yesterday was one of those games. Let's not forget that in Landy and Nuke the Avs are not only missing two of their best scorers but also their best two defensive players from the top-2 lines. That is huge IMO.
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Nick Suzuki is a prime example. Doesn't have the size or the wheels, but his hockey sense is off the charts. Newhook isn't a dumb player by any means but he doesn't have the positional sense to make up for the other flaws in his game at center.
It's not a coincidence that he found his stride again after they shifted him to wing and put E-Rod at center.
Yup, and Suzuki was incredibly clear even in his draft year that his IQ was just that good.
And also yup... it limits the amount of ice he has to cover allowing him to save up his bursts, limits the energy spent battling, and calms down the thinking. Same thing happened last year when he got pushed to Sturm's wing. Immediate offensive burst.
Is this a joke? Hayes is an overpaid 3c who has struggled since he signed that monster of a contract with Philly.
This year has been decent, following two 30 points campaigns. He is not a 7mil player and he is a top six only for a team like Philly
Flyers: On Kevin Hayes, Morgan Frost, Torts, and Toilet Seats
John Tortorella gave a thoughtful explanation about how he is trying to improve Kevin Hayes’ game. The Philadelphia Flyers coach also gave a weird description of Morgan Frost’s game and how he sees it. Frost is “up and down like a toilet seat,” Tortorella said on Tuesday before the Flyers played...
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Look who has centered his line lately…
Did you even read the article?Flyers: On Kevin Hayes, Morgan Frost, Torts, and Toilet Seats
John Tortorella gave a thoughtful explanation about how he is trying to improve Kevin Hayes’ game. The Philadelphia Flyers coach also gave a weird description of Morgan Frost’s game and how he sees it. Frost is “up and down like a toilet seat,” Tortorella said on Tuesday before the Flyers played...
Look who has centered his line lately…
Mate, are YOU able to read? He has been removed from playing center to cover his lack of defense, he has been moved up and down the roster and now he has had a couple of good games playing wing with Sedlak. Perfect fit for our second line…
Gotta love excluding all context. If you think he’s a 3C, you have zero idea what a 3C actually is.
So you didn't read the article and have no idea what you're talking about. Got it.
Torts praised his offensive ability. He would be a solid fit as our 2C, especially with the defensive wingers Bednar has at his disposal to help on the defensive side.
Not a perfect fit, but a solid fit. We aren't getting a perfect fit, if Girard is the piece we trade out. Simply not happening.
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I remember back when he was a free agent really wanting Hayes and being so disappointed when Philly got him.
Of course a few weeks later we trade for Naz and the rest is history. Would still really like Hayes though. No idea what the cost would be.
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Of course a few weeks later we trade for Naz and the rest is history. Would still really like Hayes though. No idea what the cost would be.
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There would have to be some retention on Hayes, but I'd take him. Have the second line be Gabe Hayes Nuke?
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What Boston is doing is unreal, and Toronto has done a great job getting by with their med ward defense.
But geez, I can barely remember a time Colorado was this banged up. The season that keeps coming to mind is 2007-2008 when Sakic/Stastny/Smyth all missed a big chunk simultaneously during the regular season, and then again in the playoffs all of Forsberg/Smyth/Stastny/Svatos(RIP)/Wolski were down.
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So decided to watch some recent games of Petersen and I don't think I've seen a goalie guess so often as him. He's guessing about everything from where the shot is going, what's going to happen next, where the puck is, where he should be positioned. He's moving just way too much and is hardly ever set. He's not watching the shot come to him and is instead guessing where it'll go then puts a body part in the way. He's really only looking good in situations where he needed to just react to a situation in close where the shooter couldn't pick a spot. The physical skills are all there and because he shares physical skill set similarities to Georgiev I went back to see if the issue was the same with Georgiev in New York. The issues aren't the same, Georgiev was moving too much but not to this degree. Georgiev just needed some small adjustments to get to where we are. Petersen looks like a goalie you almost need to build back up again.
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