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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

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Muffin said:
Between ROR, Toews and Horvat we have options at the deadline.
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Options are always out there... cost and ability are the questions. ROR will cost (though he wants to re-sign), but looks like poo. Toews will cost and some salary cap issues... may also still be poo. Horvat will be very expensive if he hits the market. Larkin is the same story as Horvat. The Jet twins might hit the market if they start to struggle (or may not if they don't). Hayes is available.
 
henchman24 said:
Not really bad at all in today's values... and retention is possible.
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I know it happened with Burns and OEL but teams clearly don't like to retain for 3-4 years. They'd rather take a bad contract back (which we don't have).
 
Balthazar said:
I know it happened with Burns and OEL but teams clearly don't like to retain for 3-4 years. They'd rather take a bad contract back (which we don't have).
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Of course teams would rather not, but it is clearly happening. With some future clarity on the cap coming in, teams are more okay with it today than they have been in the past couple years. Add to that the structure of the contract, the real money is less than the cap hit by a good margin too. So dollars wise it isn't as expensive as it seems.
 
henchman24 said:
Of course teams would rather not, but it is clearly happening. With some future clarity on the cap coming in, teams are more okay with it today than they have been in the past couple years. Add to that the structure of the contract, the real money is less than the cap hit by a good margin too. So dollars wise it isn't as expensive as it seems.
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Teams like SJ and AZ know they won't be competitive in the next ~3 years so cap retention don't hurt them that much.

However I'd say that the Flyers believe that they can be competitive so IMO they won't want to retain for that long, even if just 1M.
 
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Balthazar said:
Teams like SJ and AZ know they won't be competitive in the next ~3 years so cap retention don't hurt them that much.

However I'd say that the Flyers believe that they can be competitive so IMO they won't want to retain for that long, even if just 1M.
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Flyers are a bit delusional
 
Id definitely be calling Arizona about Nick Schmaltz. Depending on the severity of the injury, he’d be a really nice add to the top-6. Maybe something around Girard for Schmaltz.

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Schmaltz - Rantanen
Newhook - Compher - Rodrigues
Cogliano - Helm - LOC

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
X - EJ
 
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Are there any 2C candidates that are locked up for at least 4 years? I think someone like that would be the target if we were to trade for one. Actually just looked up Schmaltz who was mentioned in the post above, and his contract is pretty much perfect.
 
Balthazar said:
Teams like SJ and AZ know they won't be competitive in the next ~3 years so cap retention don't hurt them that much.

However I'd say that the Flyers believe that they can be competitive so IMO they won't want to retain for that long, even if just 1M.
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They've hired the wrong coach to tank, but the org really shows signs of one that know they are in the beginning stages of a rebuild/retool. Plus simply 1.5-2m puts that contract in the realm of high end 3C. It doesn't take much to tip the scales there. Hayes is at a prime regression age, but he's looked as good as he ever has so far this season and is playing a 1C role currently. He's also been a solid 2C for years now. If Philly retains to the low to mid 5s, they can get a very nice haul.
 
AvsCOL said:
Id definitely be calling Arizona about Nick Schmaltz. Depending on the severity of the injury, he’d be a really nice add to the top-6. Maybe something around Girard for Schmaltz.

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Schmaltz - Rantanen
Newhook - Compher - Rodrigues
Cogliano - Helm - LOC

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
X - EJ
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Schmaltz would be great... Not sure they'd have interest in G though.

I'd think they would be far more interested in a futures package like Newhook + 1st.

But if he's available he'd absolutely be a Top target for me. That's a long term stability solution IMO.
 
Schmaltz doesn't consistently play center. He can and has, but he's a spot duty type for injuries... not a guy that lines up there every night. His weaknesses really come out when he plays there consistently.
 
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I was on board with Schmaltz in the past but really, he's not anything more than a band-aid solution, and the Avs need to find something other than that.

Who that is, I'm not sure, might have to wait until closer to the deadline and see which teams get ready to trade away assets.
 
Pokecheque said:
I was on board with Schmaltz in the past but really, he's not anything more than a band-aid solution, and the Avs need to find something other than that.

Who that is, I'm not sure, might have to wait until closer to the deadline and see which teams get ready to trade away assets.
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The Avs need someone who bridges the gap of next year. Sam Bennett with 2 years (after this one) under 5M seems like someone that would make sense to them.
 
Landeskog Calrissian said:
The Avs need someone who bridges the gap of next year. Sam Bennett with 2 years under 5M seems like someone that would make sense to them.
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I like Bennett, but he's also not really a full-time center.

I wonder if a deal could be struck with the Sabres since they appear to have about 10 pivots in the organization at present.
 
henchman24 said:
The problem is he makes more sense for Florida to keep. They have their own cap issues and getting rid of value contracts isn't a way to solve them.
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It depends on how things go. Lundell is in the queue as 2C. It also depends on the standings. Bennett might be the only viable 2C solution where Girard can be the main part of the trade from the Avs. Maybe Behrens and/or Olausson appeals to them if they're pushing for prospects?
 
Landeskog Calrissian said:
It depends on how things go. Lundell is in the queue as 2C. It also depends on the standings. Bennett might be the only viable 2C solution where Girard can be the main part of the trade from the Avs. Maybe Behrens and/or Olausson appeals to them if they're pushing for prospects?
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Florida is trying to win now and have better prospects than Behrens/OO already. When Lundell takes over the 2C role, Bennett is still paid under market for a 3C role... or he can move to wing. For what he brings to the table, Bennett is at least 1-1.5m underpaid. Probably a touch more. For a team that has some cap issues (not insurmountable, but exist), you don't give up value guys like Bennett and Verhaeghe when you're trying to contend.
 
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Florida is trying to win now and have better prospects than Behrens/OO already. When Lundell takes over the 2C role, Bennett is still paid under market for a 3C role... or he can move to wing. For what he brings to the table, Bennett is at least 1-1.5m underpaid. Probably a touch more. For a team that has some cap issues (not insurmountable, but exist), you don't give up value guys like Bennett and Verhaeghe when you're trying to contend.
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They need D. Girard would help them a lot.
 
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