Eh, dude is already 29 and is really more of a depth guy than an impact player but--
*looks at faceoff stats*
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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Eh, dude is already 29 and is really more of a depth guy than an impact player but--
*looks at faceoff stats*
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Pitlick was pretty damn good last year for the Habs. He’s a victim of the forward logjam in Montreal. He’s only 25.
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Meh. He was semi productive last year because he played a lot. He’d get the same ice time here as any other bottom 6 forward.
We’ll run into the exact same problem once/if we get healthy.
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I really hope we put a claim on him. He would be a big help in the short term for the bottom 6. I like him a lot more than NAK
No. Dude is signed for a million this year and a million next year. That's not worth it.
Let's wait until the team gets healthy before freaking out about the 4th line.
dahrougem2
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If Pitlick was worth it, he wouldn't be on waivers. Montreal's veterans haven't exactly played well while the kids have.
Easy pass.
Jenner would be a phenomenal 3C, but he's the Captain in Columbus and he's in year 1 of a real team friendly extension with them.
But if they ever made him available he'd be a guy the Avs should aggressively target. One of those perfect 3Cs that can step up into a 2C for spurts as well, but making way less then he should be for said role($3.75M versus $5-5.5M basically).
I do wonder if the Avs should perhaps target a 3C in a potential Girard trade next summer. Especially if they solve the 2C using our 1st+ at the deadline this year(For example Horvat for 1st+ and then a 7x7M extension sort of thing).
Again I doubt Columbus has any interest in trading him... But Girard for Jenner + 2nd would be pretty nice center depth all of a sudden.
But if they ever made him available he'd be a guy the Avs should aggressively target. One of those perfect 3Cs that can step up into a 2C for spurts as well, but making way less then he should be for said role($3.75M versus $5-5.5M basically).
I do wonder if the Avs should perhaps target a 3C in a potential Girard trade next summer. Especially if they solve the 2C using our 1st+ at the deadline this year(For example Horvat for 1st+ and then a 7x7M extension sort of thing).
Again I doubt Columbus has any interest in trading him... But Girard for Jenner + 2nd would be pretty nice center depth all of a sudden.
AvsMakar08
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I would rather include Girard in a package to acquire a true young 2C.
Problem is we aren't getting a true young 2C for Girard. Not a chance.
Now you're getting it.
BobRossColton
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I think Steven Lorentz needs to make it to waivers. I liked his game anytime he played against the Avs. Help the pk
cinchronicity
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I think the capologists will agree when I say that all trade scenarios are being considered backwards. Boy do I love the Avs depth on D, and I'll include MacNorris and McPunchyface as the 7 and 8. But math is math, and there is no way any team can pay their top 4 D a total of $30M AAV. Furthermore, in 2 years, it is conceivable that Makar, Toews and Byram are all 1D caliber. I agree with all those who feel that Girard or Girard + 2023 1st wont get us a 2C. But Toews might. Some team is going to offer Toews a 1D position with $8 AAV and the Avs can't match. Makar / Byram, Manson / Girard, Johnson ( at $1M)/ Behrens is not a terrible D corps. In that scenario, Sak/Mac would have essentially traded a pair of #2 for a legit 2C.
I'm not ready to give up on Newhook, but as a wing. There are many combinations, but in 23-24 I'd like to see:
Newhook / Mac / Mikko
Landy / Legit 2C / Nuke
Lehky / Erod / Kaut
OO / Meyers / LOC
This assumes that JTC money can go to Erod (should he even earn the new contract.) Moving Landy makes seismic changes. A strong 2 way 2C would make an incredibly annoying line to put against all other #1 lines. Moving Landy leaves open the possibility for Newhook as the second sniper on a Mac driven line. The third line could be a second line in half the league. That last line becomes very fast, and not terribly skilled. It would be very different than the current 4th line, but that trio would spend a lot of their shifts in the O zone.
You may like the idea of trading Toews while his value is high. You may think it is incredibly stupid. But I don't think anyone can argue that the move would cure a litany of ills in the forward corps, at a time when the Top 4 D would not really change in quality all that much. That all can happen by trading Toews at the current TDL, It can't happen trading Girard ever.
Completely off the wall thought: What if everyone got creative with extensions, etc, and Toews and JTC to Chicago for Toews and Kane? Would those guys take a salary hit to possibly win 4th and 5th cups? Say maybe 4 x $5M AAV? Could the Avs move the 2023 first rounder to AZ to facilitate some sort of retention? Could Landy possibly need to do the Tampa LTIR Boogaloo, making a miracle comeback in Game 1 of the playoffs? The AAV is the real problem. But why would career Hawks leave just to go to another losing situation? Of course, Kane might wrestle a much larger payday from the Rangers. So this is more of a though experiment. If the above conditions were somehow met, do you trade a prime 1D for a pair of aging yet capable viable second-liners paying them until 38 ( yikes!)
I'm not ready to give up on Newhook, but as a wing. There are many combinations, but in 23-24 I'd like to see:
Newhook / Mac / Mikko
Landy / Legit 2C / Nuke
Lehky / Erod / Kaut
OO / Meyers / LOC
This assumes that JTC money can go to Erod (should he even earn the new contract.) Moving Landy makes seismic changes. A strong 2 way 2C would make an incredibly annoying line to put against all other #1 lines. Moving Landy leaves open the possibility for Newhook as the second sniper on a Mac driven line. The third line could be a second line in half the league. That last line becomes very fast, and not terribly skilled. It would be very different than the current 4th line, but that trio would spend a lot of their shifts in the O zone.
You may like the idea of trading Toews while his value is high. You may think it is incredibly stupid. But I don't think anyone can argue that the move would cure a litany of ills in the forward corps, at a time when the Top 4 D would not really change in quality all that much. That all can happen by trading Toews at the current TDL, It can't happen trading Girard ever.
Completely off the wall thought: What if everyone got creative with extensions, etc, and Toews and JTC to Chicago for Toews and Kane? Would those guys take a salary hit to possibly win 4th and 5th cups? Say maybe 4 x $5M AAV? Could the Avs move the 2023 first rounder to AZ to facilitate some sort of retention? Could Landy possibly need to do the Tampa LTIR Boogaloo, making a miracle comeback in Game 1 of the playoffs? The AAV is the real problem. But why would career Hawks leave just to go to another losing situation? Of course, Kane might wrestle a much larger payday from the Rangers. So this is more of a though experiment. If the above conditions were somehow met, do you trade a prime 1D for a pair of aging yet capable viable second-liners paying them until 38 ( yikes!)
Mr Zappalanche
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To be honest I rarely watch non Avs hockey so I havent been watching him that much, but he always left impression on me as a perfect guy to copy Nuke style of play .
At WJC I thought that Pulju will be a superior player to Aho. I was a fool.
I don't want Pulju. Guys is dum dum. Maybe as an extra forward and see if he can grow a brain (doubt it). Guy is an athletic freak, that's all he is.
Makes less than Compher.Eh, dude is already 29 and is really more of a depth guy than an impact player but--
*looks at faceoff stats*
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I think trading Toews has its merits and could be worth it in the right deal. Trading him him for two UFA’s who are in their later 30’s definitely not it.
Yeah trading Toews should absolutely be on the table... But absolutely not during this season. In fact I would argue not a single one of our Dmen should be available to trade this season.
We have other assets that should be able to get us a 2C at the deadline.
Next summer is when one of our LD should be sent packing. Just a matter of what for at that point. A heavy futures deal to replenish our lost picks and prospects that will be crucial for opening up a 2nd window in 3-4 years time... Or getting a 2C now to try and continue pushing this current window as long as possible.
We have other assets that should be able to get us a 2C at the deadline.
Next summer is when one of our LD should be sent packing. Just a matter of what for at that point. A heavy futures deal to replenish our lost picks and prospects that will be crucial for opening up a 2nd window in 3-4 years time... Or getting a 2C now to try and continue pushing this current window as long as possible.
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Perratrooper
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I talked to Sens fans and some said they’d consider doing Norris for Toews. Norris is likely out for this year with a shoulder related injury, which is concerning. Norris is 23, signed for 7 more years at $7.95m.
- Apr 25, 2006
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They didn't sign him for 8 years to trade him right away. Sens had problems keeping talent in the past, they somehow managed to lock up their core long term this time, they aren't trading them.
He wants the Couturier contract, since we clearly can't afford to keep him we wouldn't give them what they want.
If Horvat keeps producing, the Cooter contract will be low. He might be pushing 9m when it is all said and done. Still think Vancouver finds a way to keep him.
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They have EP with a 10.25M QO coming up.
Add JT Miller, Hughes, OEL, Boeser...
Even if/when they get rid of Garland and Myers it's just too much. The right thing to do would be to trade Miller and keep Horvat but it seems like they failed at doing this.
Boeser is likely a goner. So say they have JTM at 8, Horvat at 9, EP at 11, Hughes at 7.8 and OEL at 7.3. Roughly 43m between their top 5 (and I think I'm on the high end). Avs have MacK at 12.6, Rants at 9.25 (soon to be 11/12+), Makar at 9, Landy at 7, and whatever Byram/Towes in up at... for debate say 7 (so conservative IMO)... that's ~45m (42m if you just want to look at next season). Vancouver can make it work if they want to.
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Even if ROR wasn't cooked (which he is) there's 0 chance that he'd come back.
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