Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

[dahrougem2]

This isn't the broken, injured Monahan that you watched with the Flames.

Dude is healthy and has 5G, 9A for 14 pts in 21 games so far this season. He's also 65% on the faceoff dot. If he keeps that up he'll cost more than a 1st and will be the 2nd best option at the deadline after Horvat.

Yeah, no. Not paying anything close to that price for Sean Monahan. A guy pacing 55 points when offense is up for everyone and is bad defensively. No thanks.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Yeah, no. Not paying anything close to that price for Sean Monahan. A guy pacing 55 points when offense is up for everyone and is bad defensively. No thanks.

But how can you say no to having a 2C that is better than our current 1C for that price?

 

[Perratrooper]

So can anyone explain why we haven’t signed Gally yet? Are they just trying to reduce the contract by it being pro-rated from the day it’s signed?

 

[JoeSakic13]

So can anyone explain why we haven’t signed Gally yet? Are they just trying to reduce the contract by it being pro-rated from the day it’s signed?

Maybe he’s still injured too

 

[chet1926]

So can anyone explain why we haven’t signed Gally yet? Are they just trying to reduce the contract by it being pro-rated from the day it’s signed?

Yeah this doesn't make any sense to me either. For a team that's struggling to keep any players in the lineup why are we avoiding signing a guy who has at least NHL experience and has showed well in the AHL so far.

It makes absolutely no sense. I rather him than Megna or any other scrub AHLer we throw into the lineup.

 

[Balthazar]

What are we going to do if we don't have enough cap space at the deadine because we're using LTIR now?

Pay in assets to unload JTC or EJ somewhere (and thus create another hole in the lineup?). Plus I'm sure that they want to keep JTC and EJ for the playoffs.

It's a shitty situation.

 

[The Kingslayer]

What are we going to do if we don't have enough cap space at the deadine because we're using LTIR now?

Pay in assets to unload JTC or EJ somewhere (and thus create another hole in the lineup?). Plus I'm sure that they want to keep JTC and EJ for the playoffs.

It's a shitty situation.

I dont see them moving either guy ever.

 

[Foppa2118]

I still think OO was not someone Bednar wanted brought up. And I kind of agree, I just don’t think he’s ready.

I kept wondering if OO was called up to give Vancouver a good look at him for a potential Horvat trade.

Bednar said they planed to give him 2nd line minutes, but the ERod and Mikko injuries made him have to shuffle the lines. Specifically brought up how he had to factor in his trust in the players when forming the lines, so that's why he got limited minutes.

I think it had a lot to do with OO not really playing Bednar's system well. He was floating a bit too much on the forecheck, not keeping his feet moving to hound the puck carrier. That's the most important part of his system so OO got the Kaut treatment. Kaut for his credit though has been getting better and better at his puck hounding, and Bednar has been rewarding him.

 

[dahrougem2]

I kept wondering if OO was called up to give Vancouver a good look at him for a potential Horvat trade.

Bednar said they planed to give him 2nd line minutes, but the ERod and Mikko injuries made him have to shuffle the lines. Specifically brought up how he had to factor in his trust in the players when forming the lines, so that's why he got limited minutes.

I think it had a lot to do with OO not really playing Bednar's system well. He was floating a bit too much on the forecheck, not keeping his feet moving to hound the puck carrier. That's the most important part of his system so OO got the Kaut treatment. Kaut for his credit though has been getting better and better at his puck hounding, and Bednar has been rewarding him.

Kaut looks like a legit NHL player for real now. Seems like it finally clicked for him exactly what Bednar wants and he's doing it. Obviously the production isn't there yet with 3 points in 16 games but he's earned his stay on the big club this season.

In saying that, the production has to increase. Playing at a 15 point pace is hardly 4th line numbers.

 

[Linds]

Kaut looks like a legit NHL player for real now. Seems like it finally clicked for him exactly what Bednar wants and he's doing it. Obviously the production isn't there yet with 3 points in 16 games but he's earned his stay on the big club this season.

In saying that, the production has to increase. Playing at a 15 point pace is hardly 4th line numbers.

That is exactly 4th line numbers

 

[dahrougem2]

That is exactly 4th line numbers

Right, but he's not playing 4th line minutes right now or a 4th line role - especially with all of our injuries. Ever since the 2nd game in Finland he's playing around 12 minutes each night. Production needs to be higher than your average scrub 4th liner.

 

[Linds]

Right, but he's not playing 4th line minutes right now or a 4th line role - especially with all of our injuries. Ever since the 2nd game in Finland he's playing around 12 minutes each night. Production needs to be higher than your average scrub 4th liner.

That's true. He's also not playing with 2nd line players either haha

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Vancouver continuing to play really well could put a real damper on the trade deadline.


Extremely curious what the Avs ultimately end up doing. I generally do think they're a 2C away from being as strong as last year, maybe even stronger:


Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ???? - Nuke
Newhook* - ERod - JTC
LOC - Helm - Cogliano

But they realllllly need to get that 2C so everyone else can slot down to a spot better suited for them. And if Horvat ends up coming off the market, the list of 2Cs available gets pretty ugly. And the price on Toews who is basically the only one available, likely goes up into the 1st+ territory.


I wonder if the Avs dont end up cooking something up nobody expects, and target a guy with some term at a fairly reasonable cap hit instead of going after a rental. I know Kevin Hayes has been mentioned but if you could get like $1.5M of retention on him from Philly, he really would be a pretty solid target.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Vancouver continuing to play really well could put a real damper on the trade deadline.


Extremely curious what the Avs ultimately end up doing. I generally do think they're a 2C away from being as strong as last year, maybe even stronger:


Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ???? - Nuke
Newhook* - ERod - JTC
LOC - Helm - Cogliano

But they realllllly need to get that 2C so everyone else can slot down to a spot better suited for them. And if Horvat ends up coming off the market, the list of 2Cs available gets pretty ugly. And the price on Toews who is basically the only one available, likely goes up into the 1st+ territory.


I wonder if the Avs dont end up cooking something up nobody expects, and target a guy with some term at a fairly reasonable cap hit instead of going after a rental. I know Kevin Hayes has been mentioned but if you could get like $1.5M of retention on him from Philly, he really would be a pretty solid target.

I wouldn't worry about the #2 center yet. We don't even know which teams will be in a selling mode.

I am sure they will find a good #2 center.

Agree, this team could be better than last season. As long as our team is healthy and our goaltenders play on their current level, we have a much improved team.. Goaltending makes huge difference itself.

 

[zxcvnm]

Vancouver continuing to play really well could put a real damper on the trade deadline.


Extremely curious what the Avs ultimately end up doing. I generally do think they're a 2C away from being as strong as last year, maybe even stronger:


Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ???? - Nuke
Newhook* - ERod - JTC
LOC - Helm - Cogliano

But they realllllly need to get that 2C so everyone else can slot down to a spot better suited for them. And if Horvat ends up coming off the market, the list of 2Cs available gets pretty ugly. And the price on Toews who is basically the only one available, likely goes up into the 1st+ territory.


I wonder if the Avs dont end up cooking something up nobody expects, and target a guy with some term at a fairly reasonable cap hit instead of going after a rental. I know Kevin Hayes has been mentioned but if you could get like $1.5M of retention on him from Philly, he really would be a pretty solid target.

Vancouver is probably a bubble team. They gave up a lot of leads in their early losses but that’s usually correctable if the team is decent.

The biggest mistake Vancouver can make is to use the results of this season to factor into the Horvat decision. I guess if they play well, he’s more inclined to stick around. But losing him for nothing in a year they’re not winning a championship and are unlikely to make a deep run is a dumb mistake.

If Horvat wants to stick around and Vancouver can afford him, he’s probably not going anywhere. But otherwise, they should and will probably trade him pretty much regardless of their standings.

To me, the bigger issue is that I’m not so sure the Avs can offer the most attractive package. I don’t think the Avs win any bidding war.

 

[lionsDen]

Vancouver continuing to play really well could put a real damper on the trade deadline.


Extremely curious what the Avs ultimately end up doing. I generally do think they're a 2C away from being as strong as last year, maybe even stronger:


Lehky - Mack - Mikko
Landy - ???? - Nuke
Newhook* - ERod - JTC
LOC - Helm - Cogliano

But they realllllly need to get that 2C so everyone else can slot down to a spot better suited for them. And if Horvat ends up coming off the market, the list of 2Cs available gets pretty ugly. And the price on Toews who is basically the only one available, likely goes up into the 1st+ territory.


I wonder if the Avs dont end up cooking something up nobody expects, and target a guy with some term at a fairly reasonable cap hit instead of going after a rental. I know Kevin Hayes has been mentioned but if you could get like $1.5M of retention on him from Philly, he really would be a pretty solid target.

Yeah, maybe the way we should go is with a winger. Kane, timo Meier, etc and run rants or landy at C

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

It would be a very Vancouver thing to do to sign Horvat to a big contract, only to find out their core actually isn’t what they’ve thought so they’ve committed to mediocrity long term

 

[lionsDen]

It would be a very Vancouver thing to do to sign Horvat to a big contract, only to find out their core actually isn’t what they’ve thought so they’ve committed to mediocrity long term

I think it was henchman? Honestly can’t remember saying they could afford him long term, especially if they can unload a few of those bad contracts. It’s all up to hovrat though

 

[Balthazar]

I think it was henchman? Honestly can’t remember saying they could afford him long term, especially if they can unload a few of those bad contracts. It’s all up to hovrat though

Yea chances are they'll keep Horvat and likely trade Boeser instead.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Yeah, maybe the way we should go is with a winger. Kane, timo Meier, etc and run rants or landy at C

It certainly wouldn't hurt to give Mikko a run at 2C. I get with injuries Bednar probably wants to load up 1 line he can reliably turn to at least...


But for a long term outlook giving Mikko a real look at 2C would help answer a lot of questions.

 

[cinchronicity]

It certainly wouldn't hurt to give Mikko a run at 2C. I get with injuries Bednar probably wants to load up 1 line he can reliably turn to at least...


But for a long term outlook giving Mikko a real look at 2C would help answer a lot of questions.

It strikes me that a 2nd line of Landy, Newhook and Mikko would allow the nominal center to change from person to person depending on the situation. Let that line refine itself until such a time as Newhook can take over the 2C duties, and if that time is never, let Mikko or Landy be the nominal 2C.. That leaves Nuke / Mac / Lehky as the first line.

 

[Balthazar]

This happened on November 15th:



Since then Newhook has 4 pts (2G) in 5 games.

 

[dahrougem2]

3rd amongst forwards in Corsi and xGF last night, too. Very strong game anchoring the 2nd line. He's getting more confident by the game. The outside-inside move he made on the Stars defensemen before running out of space down low could have been a beautiful goal.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

It strikes me that a 2nd line of Landy, Newhook and Mikko would allow the nominal center to change from person to person depending on the situation. Let that line refine itself until such a time as Newhook can take over the 2C duties, and if that time is never, let Mikko or Landy be the nominal 2C.. That leaves Nuke / Mac / Lehky as the first line.

It could work... Especially if they were to get Patty Kane. It doesn't matter who the Center is with him, he can run a 2nd line all by himself.

 

[The Abusement Park]

It could work... Especially if they were to get Patty Kane. It doesn't matter who the Center is with him, he can run a 2nd line all by himself.

Can he still? I mean he hasn't been bad this year, but I think there are signs that while he's still a good winger that he may not be able to drive an entire line by himself anymore.