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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

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Balthazar said:
Why trade Timmins at all? Dude has no value, he played like 5 games in the last 4 years. MIght as well keep him and hope for a miracle.
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He's 24, which is generally agreed as the "no longer a prospect" age. He's proven he simply cannot stay healthy, no reason to keep him if you don't want him. They're at 44 contracts, I imagine they'll be very close to 50 once they start signing/re-signing rostered players and key prospects.

I figured he was gonzo the moment they picked up Valimaki, another injury-prone defenseman, but compared to Timmins he's Phil Kessel.
 
Just spitballing here, but is Rasmus Kupari worth a look? In the past I've liked his game whenever the Kings take on the Avs, but it looks like he's kinda languishing in Los Angeles. Kings are pretty desperate for a defenseman right now, not that I would give up either 49 or 4 for a guy like that, so I'm not sure what a prospective deal would entail.

Also, I doubt there's anything there but I wonder if the Avs just...take a flier on Alex Turcotte. I mean...why not? Maybe they get a viable NHL player out of a guy who looked like a career AHLer like they did Graves. I certainly don't think the Kings have done a stellar job developing talent.
 
dahrougem2 said:
Lol if you watch Byram during last year's SCF and don't think that guy has 1D upside... sheesh.

Will he reach it? Maybe not with Cale here. But that's why it's called upside. He has a chance to become that defensemen.

Feels like people often forget this kid just turned 21. Cale Makar was 21 during his rookie season in 19-20 and was nowhere close to a finished product, yet for some reason people look at Bo and think "nope, can't possibly get any better."

Out of Bo/Toews/Girard he is EASILY the most untouchable when it comes to trades unless you're getting a stupid haul in return, I'm talking Jack Hughes level player back.
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The Best Ability is Availability.

I like Byram but it is very concerning that he is so injury prone.
 
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JH21 said:
The Best Ability is Availability.

I like Byram but it is very concerning that he is so injury prone.
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To be honest, if we are lucky this could be very good for us.. lowers his value in negotiations. Gamble with him and sign him to a long-term contract for cheaper price.

It's a gamble because his injuries but worth taking.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Personally I dont think any of the 3 LD should be off the table. Whatever deal makes us better today, and ideally for the next 2-3 years... Is the deal they should make. Whether its Toews, Byram, or Girard.

That being said... I dont think any of them should be traded until next summer. Go get a rental 2C for this year, and if you do get Horvat, make every attempt to re-sign him as well.

Keep this Dcore together for one more playoff run. Hopefully through other pieces they can add enough to the forward group to win another cup before major reconstruction occurs.

Then, the nice thing about a deal next summer, is you can start talking about an extension with Toews and also start to get a ballpark idea of what Byram and his camp are looking for... Two very important pieces to the puzzle in terms of which Dman to trade IMO. For example, if Toews is willing to take the Weegar contract with us next summer... At that point I really think you lock him up and never trade him. Then you look at Girard/Byram and decide which one to trade between those two. On the flip side if Toews' camp is looking to really cash in and wants something that starts with an 8, he would jump to the top of the trade bait list for me since that is a number we simply cannot afford... So you trade Toews for a reallly good haul and stick with Byram/Girard as the Top 4LDs going forward.

Then you've also got the Byram aspect of it. If he's willing to take a ~$5M bridge deal next summer for 2-3 years... Again I think at that point you keep him and deal G/Toews and if Toews also signs a 6x$6M extension or something like that then Girard is the one you trade. However, if Bo isn't willing to take a bridge deal and wants something in the neighborhood of $8M on a long term deal... Again just like Toews I dont think the Avs can afford that number so he would jump to the top of my trade list.

The grey areas start to pop up if both Toews and Byram decide to chase the big money next summer. That's where it becomes really tough because we're probably screwed either way. Cant really afford either one of them at a number north of $8M and we shouldn't be paying them that much especially when we have no 2C at all right now. The far more important position. I dont really know what would be the best direction to go in at that point. I guess if you think Byram can be as good or better then Toews within ~2 years, you trade Toews. If you think Toews will be the better Dman for the next 2-3 years, you trade Byram. Or you say f*** it and trade Girard, and then likely lose Toews to free agency a year later but at least get one more run with Toews/Byram.

And then of course there's the injury concerns of both G and Bo. G had been extremely healthy earlier on in his career, but the last 2-3 years now injuries have started to ramp up with him enough that its becoming a bit of a concern. For Bo they're a full fledged significant issue at this point. Its good news he isn't dealing with a concussion right now, but the fact he's been in the NHL for 3 seasons now and still hasn't put together anywhere close to 100 games yet is a major concern. Toews missed a stretch last year, but has largely been completely healthy for most of his career outside of a game or two at different times.

Basically it comes down to this for me, ignoring potential trade returns for the time being.

- If both Bo and Toews take reasonable money(~$5M bridge and the Weegar contract) = Trade Girard
- If Bo takes a bridge but Toews asks for $8M+ = Trade Toews
- If Bo wants $8+ but Toews takes ~$6M = Trade Bo
- If both guys want big money = We're f***ed, but I'd probably trade Girard and lose Toews as a UFA.


It gets even more complicated IMO once you factor in potential trade returns... IE if Girards value tanks due to injuries this year it becomes tougher to move him or if Byram(knocks on wood) runs into more concussion issues. On the flip side if somebody crazy like Seattle comes and offers Shane Wright for Byram, it becomes tough to not to move him, or someone offers a crazy deal for Toews.



I think its a very complicated spot. I dont think its anywhere near as straightforward as some folks here think it is. "Trade Girard because Toews and Byram are better" is simply not the way to look at it at all. Not when no matter who you keep/trade, none of them are going to ever usurp Cale as the #1 guy here, they're all LHD meaning one of them is only going to be used as a 2nd pairing guy... Girard is the only one of the three signed long term and to a very team friendly contract, and at the end of the day our Center depth is absolutely putrid, its the most important position in hockey and we need major help with it.
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Very nicely laid-out!
Shows how many options are available. Shows that this isn't really going to be a "problem" but more likely an opportunity to refocus some assets from an area of strength to a area of weakness. The right timing to do so just isn't likely to be now, not even to fix the 2C hole. There are many other, better options to explore to fix the 2C hole for this year.
 
Depth piece here. But watching Miles Wood this year and his speed would fit fantastically in our bottom six. Playing himself into a bigger contract now though. But I remember before the season I brought him up as a trade target on a DNVR stream and AJ got angry and told me I should feel bad because "Miles Wood is actually trash". He's looking like a fairly good depth scorer with great speed and tenacious defense.

But we should only listen to AJ and his takes. He knows best.
 
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I like Wood a lot, but he just isn't a good fit here. Mostly because we simply can't afford him.

Any money spent on forwards at this point needs to be spent on Centers, our winger depth is already very strong.


I think Wood will get 4+ as a UFA and if he stays healthy all year this year and the cap goes to 86.5 I think he'll get 5+. We can't afford that for our 3rd line winger.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
I like Wood a lot, but he just isn't a good fit here. Mostly because we simply can't afford him.

Any money spent on forwards at this point needs to be spent on Centers, our winger depth is already very strong.


I think Wood will get 4+ as a UFA and if he stays healthy all year this year and the cap goes to 86.5 I think he'll get 5+. We can't afford that for our 3rd line winger.
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I'm actually very happy with what ERod brings to the team and think pushing him and Newhook down the lineup a bit is what is needed. I am sure this team will make a move for a 2C at some point. But I agree that our winger depth is quite good. Especially if we can have guys like Newhook play wing instead of having to make the jump to 2C like they want right now.
 
Ncit3 said:
Depth piece here. But watching Miles Wood this year and his speed would fit fantastically in our bottom six. Playing himself into a bigger contract now though. But I remember before the season I brought him up as a trade target on a DNVR stream and AJ got angry and told me I should feel bad because "Miles Wood is actually trash". He's looking like a fairly good depth scorer with great speed and tenacious defense.

But we should only listen to AJ and his takes. He knows best.
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AJ is probably the laziest reporter on the planet. Seems like an okay guy to grab a beer with. I'm sure he's developed some "okay" sources, but he's proven multiple times that he will die on a hill for his opinions while putting down others and more or less putting others down. I can't think of any instance he's actually been right.

While Chambers has his issues and is also a world class dumb dumb, if you remove his DU/D1 homerism, he might actually know more about the game.
 
JLo217 said:
AJ is probably the laziest reporter on the planet. Seems like an okay guy to grab a beer with. I'm sure he's developed some "okay" sources, but he's proven multiple times that he will die on a hill for his opinions while putting down others and more or less putting others down. I can't think of any instance he's actually been right.

While Chambers has his issues and is also a world class dumb dumb, if you remove his DU/D1 homerism, he might actually know more about the game.
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I agree. AJ seems like a fine dude most of the time but he makes that podcast a pain in the ass to watch. I think Rudo is a likeable guy with a lot of knowledge on the game. Megan is smart and extremely nice. And AJ just spouts nonsense a lot of the time. I wish I could feel better watching the DNVR Avs stuff now but been hard when you make fairly mundane takes and get called out live on stream.
 
Doubt NJ parts with Wood unless there’s some kind of cap crunch regarding a bigger deal. He’s essentially their EJ.
 
Ncit3 said:
Depth piece here. But watching Miles Wood this year and his speed would fit fantastically in our bottom six. Playing himself into a bigger contract now though. But I remember before the season I brought him up as a trade target on a DNVR stream and AJ got angry and told me I should feel bad because "Miles Wood is actually trash". He's looking like a fairly good depth scorer with great speed and tenacious defense.

But we should only listen to AJ and his takes. He knows best.
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AJ has single handedly made me actively despise the whole DNVR crew. He talks like he’s an all time great player and has all this knowledge about the game, but at best all he is, is a talking head. He carries himself with a much higher level of self-worth than I can feasibly see him having.
 
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