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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

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I probably wouldn't pay Byram for JEE... but I don't really see why something like Newhook + 1st is enticing at all to Minny.

The guy I think they'd want more than anybody is Toews. Helps immediately, gives Addison a partner to grow with (and isn't learning himself), and would fit their system to a t. Still though, I don't see what it does for Minny longer term... creating a huge hole with their only proven NHL top 6 center to fill a defensemen spot they kinda already have filled with Brodin. Maybe if both of Rossi and Walker established themselves this year and Hartman really proves he's a top 6 guy... then maybe they'd think about it, but right now it doesn't make any sense with how they've built the team.
 
Yeah I like JEE but no way, no f***ing how would I give them Byram in exchange. Certainly not Toews either.

Let's keep in mind that while he has some very good underlying numbers, this is yet another year he can't seem to run with that top line spot, he continually gets bumped down the lineup in favor of such luminary pivots as Freddy Gaudreau, Ryan Hartman, Tyson Jost, and now they're gonna try Sam Steel. And Rossi is on their fourth line now.

But in the end it's a moot point. They can't deal him without torpedoing what little center depth they have.
 
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henchman24 said:
I probably wouldn't pay Byram for JEE... but I don't really see why something like Newhook + 1st is enticing at all to Minny.

The guy I think they'd want more than anybody is Toews. Helps immediately, gives Addison a partner to grow with (and isn't learning himself), and would fit their system to a t. Still though, I don't see what it does for Minny longer term... creating a huge hole with their only proven NHL top 6 center to fill a defensemen spot they kinda already have filled with Brodin. Maybe if both of Rossi and Walker established themselves this year and Hartman really proves he's a top 6 guy... then maybe they'd think about it, but right now it doesn't make any sense with how they've built the team.
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Newhook and Boldy have familiarity and two firsts allow for them to add solid prospects while waiting for the contracts of Parise and Suter to come off the books. Not saying it’s perfect, but I would imagine it would be something to be thought about.
 
Perratrooper said:
Newhook and Boldy have familiarity and two firsts allow for them to add solid prospects while waiting for the contracts of Parise and Suter to come off the books. Not saying it’s perfect, but I would imagine it would be something to be thought about.
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But they'd be giving up a legit 2C who is very good defensively... and locked up to a very good contract. With their cap situation, I think that has a lot more value than Newhook + 1st. Plus they have Rossi already for a top 6 center type of spot. Minny clearly doesn't care about smaller centers who can't skate all that well, but I don't see how that value really tips them to want to make that deal.
 
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henchman24 said:
But they'd be giving up a legit 2C who is very good defensively... and locked up to a very good contract. With their cap situation, I think that has a lot more value than Newhook + 1st. Plus they have Rossi already for a top 6 center type of spot. Minny clearly doesn't care about smaller centers who can't skate all that well, but I don't see how that value really tips them to want to make that deal.
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He's not a legit 2C. Yet.
 
Pokecheque said:
He's not a legit 2C. Yet.
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Traditionally (and who knows with the uptick in scoring if this needs adjusted), you can get away with a 45-55 point 2C if they are very good defensively. I'd say JEE is in that group... he's more of a 2C in the mold of Danault than he is Kadri. A way, way better goal scorer than Danault, but similar offensive impact guy.

I also think we have some issues with the shortened seasons of the past few years. Pacing clearly isn't reaching something. He paced 40-45 in the prior shortened seasons, put up 49 last year, and is pacing 58 this year (I think he ends around 50). Add to that, he looks like a 25-30g producer with those points. With his level of defense, that's a 2C. Not a high end one, but a guy you feel very comfortable holding his own with 2 way play for 18+ minutes a night.

People have ragged on Danault for years about his offensive production, but I'd argue he's one of the most impactful 2Cs in the game. JEE is a bigger Danault who scores 10+ more goals a season.
 
Pokecheque said:
Even his own team doesn't think he is.

But I think he will be. Hence the "yet" part.
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Why do you say that? Because he is listed lower in the lineup? He plays 18-19 minutes a night in all situations and is routinely top 3 amongst the forwards in total ice time. Only center who routinely gets more ice EV is whoever is playing with Zucc and Kap. Last year that was Hartman and this year that is Gaudreau since Hartman has been out. That doesn't mean he's a 3C... that means he's the 2C, pretty much all the time and we have some statistical anomalies happening.
 
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Landeskog Calrissian said:
I don't believe you. Tell us what you really mean.
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I‘m not saying I’d pay that. But that’s the piece it would take to move JEE. A late first and Olausson certainly isn’t getting it done.

Ararana said:
Yeah you all are nuts with this Byram for JEE nonsense.
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I mean I 100% wouldn’t move Byram for JEE, but I mean idk what else we would have to offer them that they’d want.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
His own team plays him almost 20 minutes a night.

How many 3Cs in the league score 25-30 goals a year and play nearly 20 minutes a game.
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Then why does he keep getting bumped down the lineup? Look for yourself.

Right now he appears to be in that weird spot Carl Soderberg used to be in a few years ago, a 3rd line center who just happened to get 2nd line minutes.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Then why does he keep getting bumped down the lineup? Look for yourself.

Right now he appears to be in that weird spot Carl Soderberg used to be in a few years ago, a 3rd line center who just happened to get 2nd line minutes.
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He's not getting bumped down the lineup... He played 18 minutes against Pittsburgh, 19 minutes against Nashville. He's extremely reliable and elite defensively to the point where Evason knows he can be trusted to essentially run a line by himself. Where none of his other Centers are anywhere close to being able to do that.

Its basically the opposite situation in Colorado where Bednar likes to fully load up one line. Evason is trying to find a Center that isn't JEE who can do something productive with Zucc/Kap because he knows with 100% confidence JEE can run a 2nd line without any issues.
 
Pokecheque said:
Then why does he keep getting bumped down the lineup? Look for yourself.

Right now he appears to be in that weird spot Carl Soderberg used to be in a few years ago, a 3rd line center who just happened to get 2nd line minutes.
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He's not getting bumped down the lineup. He's stapled to Foligno and Greenway when Greenway is healthy. The third player on that line has been rotating around since Greenway has been out this season. It has been Boldy, Jost, and Hartman at different times. They've been trying some different things with the struggles, but mostly been Hartman/Gaudreau centering Zucc and Kap as a top line. Foligno and JEE with Greenway or rando when Greenway is out as the 2nd line. Then random mess of players on the third line. You might see some game to game variations, but that is solidly how it has been for 2 seasons.
 
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