Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

[Tralfamadore]

Its a tough spot.

Not very many centers available. Especially good ones, because most teams recognize how insanely valuable centers are(Avs unfortunately dont appear to be one of those teams).

The centers that are available usually have some sort of significant wart that comes with them. Whether its a pending UFA looking for a payday(Horvat), or a guy battling significant injury concerns(Monahan), a guy who's struggled to establish himself as a legit 2C(Hayton, Dvorak), a guy who can play center but is really better as a winger(Schmaltz), or someone who's overpaid and mediocre(Hayes).

Then on top of all those issues, they're all still going to be really valuable because teams no the value of centers in the league, so many teams are looking for a good center as well.


Its what makes not signing Kadri so frustrating. Here we had arguably the perfect 2C to fit this team, we just won the cup with the guy as our 2C, he wanted to stay here.... And instead we let him walk away likely over less then $1M cap hit. And probably because our management thinks like every management before them that they can keep a contender window open for 3 years longer then it actually will be.

Ya but then how would we have locked up Josh Manson???

 

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So, who do you go for to fix the 2C for the next few seasons?
Wouldn't be Scheifele unless Winnipeg faulters..

Wouldn't be Lindholm probably costs too much..

Won't be Bennett because apparently zito didn't like small defensemen..

Shouldn't be Dvorak because he's just a 3C apparently..

Monahan but he might end up playing too well and get too rich for us
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Nick schmaltz might be ideal since he's locked down for a few years.

PLD might bolt to Montreal even though he hasn't experienced a true winning culture.

Barrett Hayton IDK he's just as much of an unknown.

We basically need a rehash of the kadri trade

No doubt it is a tough spot and frankly, the Avs screwed this up this summer by not prioritizing the 2C spot. Kadri wasn’t the only 2C to change homes.

As it stands today, I think the Avs should go after Horvat and just deal with the contract situation.

I’d also say that the Avs are going to have to get used to idea that it is likely going to cost pieces you don’t want to give up. Getting rid of players that are struggling, flawed, or just not that good won’t get it done.

 

[Vaslof]

A lot of Englund fans here to want to play him on 2nd pair

 

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A lot of Englund fans here to want to play him on 2nd pair

I’d be good with that! As long as it is on the Eagles…

 

[atreyuavenged]

Drouin is a UFA, do you think Nate gives him a call to come here for a season? Pay cut obviously.

How about going after Pierre engvall next off-season?

The guy I'd want from the Leafs is Holl. A good replacement for EJ at a fraction of his cost. I think the real problem their is Reilly and I hope no one in Leafs land noticed.

 

[The Abusement Park]

That report about the Senators is strange. They're willing to attach a top prospect to Zaitsev to get rid of him but aren't willing to do the same in order to acquire Chychrun.

Very strange management tactics.

Not really the same at all. Arizona has been asking for a 1st+Pinto+equivalent 1st round value.

 

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That report about the Senators is strange. They're willing to attach a top prospect to Zaitsev to get rid of him but aren't willing to do the same in order to acquire Chychrun.

Very strange management tactics.

Money… all comes down to money.

 

[Avs_19]

O’Reilly, who turns 32 on Feb. 7, does not own any no-trade protection. He was paid out a $5 million bonus in the summer and is being paid a total of $1 million in actual salary this season, even though his cap hit is $7.5 million. That is likely to increase his trade value, to a certain extent, if the Blues move him, and like with Tarasenko, St. Louis may retain part of O’Reilly’s deal to help facilitate a move.

The Avalanche, Rangers and Toronto Maple Leafs could be among the teams that pursue O’Reilly if he’s up for grabs.

Slow ass semi-washed ROR off a broken foot?

Yeah, I'm still in. Can't even pretend like I'm not.

 

[Anders Cain]

Slow ass semi-washed ROR off a broken foot?

Yeah, I'm still in. Can't even pretend like I'm not.

I'd take him back as long as it didn't cost an arm and a leg...

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I'd take him back as long as it didn't cost an arm and a leg...

Go get him and Kane

Landy/Mack/Kane
Rod/JTC/Mikko
Lehky/ROR/Nuke
Cogs/Helm/LOC

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I know we clearly need a 2C but the winger market makes me a little horny too. Our depth just doesn’t seem to have that scoring touch. Imagine adding a Tarasenko/Kane/Debrincat to our middle six. A guy who can create something out of nothing. This lineup drastically misses that right now. I’d gladly give up Newhook for Hayes at 50% and then closer to the deadline go add another weapon to put the puck in the net.

Even a guy like JVR who isn’t exactly an Avs style player is still a guy who has no trouble finding twine.

 

[Balthazar]

Seravalli's podcast today:

They talk about Carolina looking for a 2C because they let Trocheck walk last summer and were betting on Kotkaniemi to be their 2C. He can't do it so now they don't have a 2C.

Exactly the same situation as the Avs with Kadri and Newhook.

That's not good at all for us since another contender looking for a 2C will jack up the prices even more.

Seravalli also says that he's aware of a team (not Carolina) willing to offer 9M AAV to Horvat. Seravalli's co-host says that Horvat at 9M is awful and his contract will look like Jeff Skinner's.

 

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Seravalli's podcast today:

They talk about Carolina looking for a 2C because they let Trocheck walk last summer and were betting on Kotkaniemi to be their 2C. He can't do it so now they don't have a 2C.

Exactly the same situation as the Avs with Kadri and Newhook.

That's not good at all for us since another contender looking for a 2C will jack up the prices even more.

Seravalli also says that he's aware of a team (not Carolina) willing to offer 9M AAV to Horvat. Seravalli's co-host says that Horvat at 9M is awful and his contract will look like Jeff Skinner's.

Similar situation for sure... but Carolina has a much better set of backup options. Staal on the 3rd can still handle increased minutes. Stastny showed last year he can still play an elevated role. And Necas could potentially still slide over. They have more backup options than the Avs had... but both need a 2C.

We should be afraid of that team that would offer up $9m...

Funny how people still harp on Skinner... yeah his contract doesn't have any excess value to it, but the second he wasn't forced to be a 4th line plug, he suddenly returned to scoring (shocking!). He was a 30-30 guy last year and has a legit 40-40 shot this year. His 1.19 points per game is tied with Crosby, within ear shot of Cheese and Kaprizov, and ahead of Marner and Panarin.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Similar situation for sure... but Carolina has a much better set of backup options. Staal on the 3rd can still handle increased minutes. Stastny showed last year he can still play an elevated role. And Necas could potentially still slide over. They have more backup options than the Avs had... but both need a 2C.

We should be afraid of that team that would offer up $9m...

Funny how people still harp on Skinner... yeah his contract doesn't have any excess value to it, but the second he wasn't forced to be a 4th line plug, he suddenly returned to scoring (shocking!). He was a 30-30 guy last year and has a legit 40-40 shot this year. His 1.19 points per game is tied with Crosby, within ear shot of Cheese and Kaprizov, and ahead of Marner and Panarin.

Skinner has always been a very high end complementary player. He's like Bura, but better lol.

All you can hope is that if they traded for Horvat his contract craziness is due to being with Vsncouver.

Is that dude really going to shoot for 8 or 9m on another shit team? He's certainly not better than Kadri, and Kadri could barely get that coming off helping win the Cup.

 

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Skinner has always been a very high end complementary player. He's like Bura, but better lol.

All you can hope is that if they traded for Horvat his contract craziness is due to being with Vsncouver.

Is that dude really going to shoot for 8 or 9m on another shit team? He's certainly not better than Kadri, and Kadri could barely get that coming off helping win the Cup.

Yeah… that’s fair. He’s not worth 9m, but you put him in the right situation… you get a consistent 30g guy who might pop 40 in today’s scoring. He’s a 1st line complementary guy.

I’m 95% sure I know the team willing to go to 9… and that team gets very good with a 1C. Maybe not for long, but for this and next season… wouldn’t be fun.

 

[dahrougem2]

Yeah… that’s fair. He’s not worth 9m, but you put him in the right situation… you get a consistent 30g guy who might pop 40 in today’s scoring. He’s a 1st line complementary guy.

I’m 95% sure I know the team willing to go to 9… and that team gets very good with a 1C. Maybe not for long, but for this and next season… wouldn’t be fun.

F*** the Minnesota Wild

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah… that’s fair. He’s not worth 9m, but you put him in the right situation… you get a consistent 30g guy who might pop 40 in today’s scoring. He’s a 1st line complementary guy.

I’m 95% sure I know the team willing to go to 9… and that team gets very good with a 1C. Maybe not for long, but for this and next season… wouldn’t be fun.

CBJ? Haven't looked at their cap situation lately though.

F*** the Minnesota Wild

Oh.. eww

 

[Balthazar]

Minny can’t afford him with the all their dead cap can they?

 

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Minny can’t afford him with the all their dead cap can they?

They have 17m in space next year even with the dead cap. Boldy and Addison are the only two remotely expensive RFAs. They’d probably have to dump someone(Greenway likely), but if they do that… they can afford him. It then eases up dramatically as Zuc’s contract drops and then the following year the dead cap shrinks.

 

[dahrougem2]

Plus I think after years of speculation this is 100% Dumba's last year in Minnesota.

 

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Plus I think after years of speculation this is 100% Dumba's last year in Minnesota.

I almost feel bad for whoever ends up with him. Almost.

 

[BobRossColton]

Last one got to 3K, let's find a 2C within the next 3k posts!

I don't think we succeeded.

 

[shadow1]

So, who do you go for to fix the 2C for the next few seasons?
Wouldn't be Scheifele unless Winnipeg faulters..

Wouldn't be Lindholm probably costs too much..

Won't be Bennett because apparently zito didn't like small defensemen..

Shouldn't be Dvorak because he's just a 3C apparently..

Monahan but he might end up playing too well and get too rich for us
.
Nick schmaltz might be ideal since he's locked down for a few years.

PLD might bolt to Montreal even though he hasn't experienced a true winning culture.

Barrett Hayton IDK he's just as much of an unknown.

We basically need a rehash of the kadri trade

The Avs will find someone, but it'll never be an 80+ point/100+ point pace player like Kadri was last year. Likely it's an older player like Toews, who will probably find new life after leaving Chicago (look at Dach, Kubalik, and Strome this year).

In saying that, have to give props to Compher and Rodrigues so far. Though it likely won't last, both players have scored at 50+ point paces up to this point. And both had slow starts, showing that they've stepped up as injuries have snowballed.

 

[John Mandalorian]

A lot of Englund fans here to want to play him on 2nd pair

Well. They did manage to tie the US in soccer.

 

[BobRossColton]

The Avs will find someone, but it'll never be an 80+ point/100+ point pace player like Kadri was last year. Likely it's an older player like Toews, who will probably find new life after leaving Chicago (look at Dach, Kubalik, and Strome this year).

In saying that, have to give props to Compher and Rodrigues so far. Though it likely won't last, both players have scored at 50+ point paces up to this point. And both had slow starts, showing that they've stepped up as injuries have snowballed.

Would mittelstadt be a buy low choice?