BobRossColton
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This is why I think we need to use G+(OO, Kaut, Ranta) for a signed 3C+ another sign bottom 6.
Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C
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Yeah I'm in full agreement with you on that.
Though I don't think we'd get 2 bottom 6 wingers for him and especially not a good 3C but we should be able to target one guy.
Just not really sure what decent bottom 6 forwards on decent contracts even exist at this point.
If G turns his season around and has reasonable value again in the summer I think something like Evans + FLA 1st from Montreal could work.
Given the top-heavy nature of the Avs’ cap situation, chances are the 3C ain’t gonna be anyone special.
That said, the Avs clearly want Meyers to take that slot. If he doesn’t that’s a pretty big issue.
Ignoring the Mack connection, I'd hope Drouin is a player the Avs go hard after this summer as cheap forward depth. Barbashev would be another nice piece this summer if we strike out on the #2C market, but I have a hard time gauging his next contract.
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Drouin is definitely PTO material at this point. He's mentally broken, who knows how he'll react when he finally gets out of Montreal.
I'd rather target Ottawa if they fail to land Chychrun.
Montreal isn't trading for G with Lane Hutson probably playing next season and all the young D that they already have. Plus Mailloux could be ready, too.
I'd rather target Ottawa if they fail to land Chychrun.
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BobRossColton
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No chance. Ottawa isn't moving Pinto for Chychrun. Don't know why the would for Girard.
BobRossColton
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Kotkaniemi needs to happen because of that contract. Just sign Newhook to similar contract and send him with Behrens.. haha
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Dvorak has the same cap hit, only 2 more years under contract and is a much better hockey player.
I'd not want Dvorak but I'd pick him over Kotka anytime.
Kotka is an interesting target. Decent 3C at the very least with a reasonable cap hit.
BobRossColton
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I think bednar could get him to click with Lehkonen and Rantanen. Top 6 set for the next two, besides mikko's new contract.
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Oh I missed out on this but: 52, married no kids but lots of cats, and just slightly bigger than Landeskog.
dahrougem2
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1 point in 15 games so far, the guy just isn't cutting it. He came with a lot of hype last season but boy he has done absolutely nothing to justify it.
Yeah he’s gotta perform better. Simple as that. There are spurts, but nothing consistent. Avs are at the point where they shouldn’t be tolerant of growing pains. Either a player can contribute or they need to find somebody who will.
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Kotkaniemi is signed for like another 13 years and doesn’t produce. Solid player with good underlying numbers but Avs shouldn’t be doing that.
Kotka’s production will likely come at some point, but I doubt that Carolina really desires to move him right now… and along with that, the Avs should be targeting known fixes for the spot. No more half measures.
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So, who do you go for to fix the 2C for the next few seasons?
Wouldn't be Scheifele unless Winnipeg faulters..
Wouldn't be Lindholm probably costs too much..
Won't be Bennett because apparently zito didn't like small defensemen..
Shouldn't be Dvorak because he's just a 3C apparently..
Monahan but he might end up playing too well and get too rich for us
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Nick schmaltz might be ideal since he's locked down for a few years.
PLD might bolt to Montreal even though he hasn't experienced a true winning culture.
Barrett Hayton IDK he's just as much of an unknown.
We basically need a rehash of the kadri trade
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dahrougem2
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That report about the Senators is strange. They're willing to attach a top prospect to Zaitsev to get rid of him but aren't willing to do the same in order to acquire Chychrun.
Very strange management tactics.
Very strange management tactics.
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They said "a high pick". That could be a 2nd rounder in 2025 for all we know.
The price for Chychrun is like 3 first rounders.
What intrigues me the most about Kotka is that even if he doesn't work out as a 2C, he's a very affordable 3C and as the cap rises that only gets better.
And he's already a pretty solid 3C. Very strong defensively, struggles offensively right now but I think he'll figure that out. If his offense doesn't improve at all from right now, you've still got a ~30-35 point 3C with elite defensive ability.
At $4.8M that's basically the going rate for solid 3Cs already(Pageau and Gourde).
That being said, I dont see any reason why Carolina would get rid of him. They can easily afford to wait on his offense for now and just keep for the exact same reasons why we would want him. Solid player on a great cap hit going forward, no reason at all to move him.
And he's already a pretty solid 3C. Very strong defensively, struggles offensively right now but I think he'll figure that out. If his offense doesn't improve at all from right now, you've still got a ~30-35 point 3C with elite defensive ability.
At $4.8M that's basically the going rate for solid 3Cs already(Pageau and Gourde).
That being said, I dont see any reason why Carolina would get rid of him. They can easily afford to wait on his offense for now and just keep for the exact same reasons why we would want him. Solid player on a great cap hit going forward, no reason at all to move him.
Its a tough spot.
Not very many centers available. Especially good ones, because most teams recognize how insanely valuable centers are(Avs unfortunately dont appear to be one of those teams).
The centers that are available usually have some sort of significant wart that comes with them. Whether its a pending UFA looking for a payday(Horvat), or a guy battling significant injury concerns(Monahan), a guy who's struggled to establish himself as a legit 2C(Hayton, Dvorak), a guy who can play center but is really better as a winger(Schmaltz), or someone who's overpaid and mediocre(Hayes).
Then on top of all those issues, they're all still going to be really valuable because teams no the value of centers in the league, so many teams are looking for a good center as well.
Its what makes not signing Kadri so frustrating. Here we had arguably the perfect 2C to fit this team, we just won the cup with the guy as our 2C, he wanted to stay here.... And instead we let him walk away likely over less then $1M cap hit. And probably because our management thinks like every management before them that they can keep a contender window open for 3 years longer then it actually will be.
BobRossColton
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Yeah 4.8 cap hit till he's 30 would be very useful. Canes are going to have to deal with Necas, slavin, skjei, pesce, and aho's contract in the next 3 years. So yeah they won't move him even with the cap going up in the time period.
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