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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: The Search for a 2C

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I rail on the scouting and drafting as much as anybody. But I think some signs are there that the drafting is getting better (still far from good), but it is way too early to call. The Avs do have some obsessions with certain types that they need to get out of (IE stop drafting undersized centers who are not elite skaters), but I think the 17-21 draft classes all have some positives outside of the top 10. Guys like Helleson, Barron, Foudy, Timmins, Behrens, Aman etc.

As an example, I think every single pick for the Avs in 2020 will get games in the NHL and I think at least 2 of them end up long term NHLers.
 
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TruePowerSlave said:
Since the Avs simply cannot draft anything useful outside the top 10 the window won't last long. They had the chance to contend for some time but failed miserably after the top picks.

Need to strike gold again with Toews like trades. Not an easy thing to achieve.
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I’ve been saying that for years. Our drafting would be what doesn’t extend our window. Just one or two NHL players would‘ve made a massive difference.
 
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The Abusement Park said:
I’ve been saying that for years. Our drafting would be what doesn’t extend our window. Just one or two NHL players would‘ve made a massive difference.
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I think most of us have realized how it's been a disadvantage, reaching back to the early Cup years. Quebec was pretty good at it. You'd think you'd luck out with a few deep picks here and there but none to come to mind.
 
The Abusement Park said:
I’ve been saying that for years. Our drafting would be what doesn’t extend our window. Just one or two NHL players would‘ve made a massive difference.
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I think that needs to be one or two impact players. Avs tend to get players out of some picks... but top 6/top4 has been an issue. Which is killing excess contract value.
 
Gumballhead said:
I think most of us have realized how it's been a disadvantage, reaching back to the early Cup years. Quebec was pretty good at it. You'd think you'd luck out with a few deep picks here and there but none to come to mind.
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It had gotten better tbf. But those guys have been traded and the payoff was obviously worth it. But a Ross Colton or a shit even an extra JTC type player would be a big boon to this team right now.

henchman24 said:
I think that needs to be one or two impact players. Avs tend to get players out of some picks... but top 6/top4 has been an issue. Which is killing excess contract value.
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I’m trying not to get too greedy here :laugh:

I will say I think either Helleson or Barron could’ve potentially been those guys. But they were obviously worth moving out in the end.
 
TruePowerSlave said:
Since the Avs simply cannot draft anything useful outside the top 10 the window won't last long. They had the chance to contend for some time but failed miserably after the top picks.

Need to strike gold again with Toews like trades. Not an easy thing to achieve.
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Even in the top 10 they have whiffed - Tyson Jost. They also took Byram over several other players that are projecting better than he is currently
 
The Abusement Park said:
It had gotten better tbf. But those guys have been traded and the payoff was obviously worth it. But a Ross Colton or a shit even an extra JTC type player would be a big boon to this team right now.


I’m trying not to get too greedy here :laugh:

I will say I think either Helleson or Barron could’ve potentially been those guys. But they were obviously worth moving out in the end.
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More or less what I'm saying is that filler players have been found. They need guys who can contribute good value on their ELC and 2nd contracts. As this team is transitioning to paying their stars what they are worth, you need guys who can step in and offer a few million in excess value to have proper depth. If you don't have that, then you run into issues.

If you look at how Tampa has been trying to keep things going, they pay a ton for that excess value. Guys like Coleman, Hagel, Goodrow, etc were guys they overpaid for because they could fill important roles with. minimal cap hit. It has cost them a ton of assets, but that is one of their methods for creating that excess contract value. They've also been great at finding great depth pieces in the draft and then getting them under contract quickly.
 
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Even in the top 10 they have whiffed - Tyson Jost. They also took Byram over several other players that are projecting better than he is currently
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Jost was terrible. Byram is bad luck with the injuries. The rest were money.

The last solid contributor after the top 10 was from the 2009 draft. What a laughable scouting/development record.
 
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Byram projected to go 3rd OA. He's not a bad pick at all and he wasn't injury prone in junior hockey.

There's still a great chance that his LBI is just pure bad luck and not related at all with the concussions. If that's the case then there's no reason to believe that he'll be injury prone for the rest of his career. It's just a rough start.
 
Balthazar said:
Byram projected to go 3rd OA. He's not a bad pick at all and he wasn't injury prone in junior hockey.

There's still a great chance that his LBI is just pure bad luck and not related at all with the concussions. If that's the case then there's no reason to believe that he'll be injury prone for the rest of his career. It's just a rough start.
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Byram slotting wasn’t really an issue. The injuries though… his style of play, chippiness and mouth make him a target. It is part of what makes Byram, Byram… and what causes some of the injuries. The issue is he isn’t facing kids anymore… he’s facing guys who are bigger than him and have the skating to make him take a toll. Byram either needs to bulk up or change his game. That should have been seen and part of what I’ve talked about in taking the junior out of his game.
 
I wouldn’t want to risk the cup win swapping Byram for Cozens/Zegras. Byram stepping in for Girard was huge and his play against Tampa was pretty crucial. No doubt we’d be much better off going forward tho not just with the fit but Bo’s health issues. If Bo can stay healthy it could be different but not very likely it seems.

Given the injuries and how we’ve looked this year so far I’ll just take the cup win and hope the FO has some kind of plan for a C.
 
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ANewHope said:
I wouldn’t want to risk the cup win swapping Byram for Cozens/Zegras. Byram stepping in for Girard was huge and his play against Tampa was pretty crucial. No doubt we’d be much better off going forward tho not just with the fit but Bo’s health issues. If Bo can stay healthy it could be different but not very likely it seems.

Given the injuries and how we’ve looked this year so far I’ll just take the cup win and hope the FO has some kind of plan for a C.
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I don’t think a Byram swap with either is the difference in winning the Cup, but this is all spilt milk. Avs have to find a 2C and get some value contracts on the team going forward.
 
There's obviously something going on behind the scenes with Vrana. He's been in the NHL Players Assistance Program all season, and had just begun a conditioning stint in the AHL last week. Detroit announced they were extending that stint an additional week yesterday, but are now waiving him.

Curious to see the next piece of news about this surprising development.
 
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henchman24 said:
Pretty decent chance the Avs would have selected Kakko.

They could have also just selected Zegras…
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You think the Avs take Kakko 1st? Ooof…

That’s another pretty big indictment of Avs scouting staff if that’s true.

And Zegras..oh man. That would have been perfect.
 
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