Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Pierce Hawthorne]

This is an argument against my own belief... but a legit argument against going to the cap this year is the 3.35m in potential bonuses that are hanging out there. Now likely only 2-2.5m are likely to be hit, but most of the bonuses lie in Byram... the other are with Newhook... both players who will very likely have an expanded role.

If 2.5m in bonuses are hit and the Avs end with zero cap room... well, suddenly the effective cap next year goes from 83.5m to 81m. We see the crunch of next year is already tough... make it LESS than the cap of the last 3 years, well... next offseason will be really rough.

Yeah, that's probably why they talked about using internal options for the 2C role earlier this summer.


I wouldn't be totally surprised if they're done at this point with the Blidh signing. They would have about $3M in space to start the season, lots of room for injuries as well. Bank a bunch of space up to the deadline and then get a 2C at that point. It's a little risky because without a 2C we really are 1-2 injuries away from JTC #1C territory. But they should be good enough to be comfortably in the playoff hunt and then you add the 2C at the deadline.

Hopefully Georgiev pans out though. If he struggles, it could get ugly.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Man I hate that Manson signing more and more every day. Not only is he making 4.5mil, but EJ is making 6mil. That's effectively our 5th/6th defensemen making 10.5 million while we look for a second line centre. Brutal.

If we got rid of EJ I’d understand it. But yeah it’s a rough signing from a cap space allotment POV.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I'm extra good with trying Rantanen at 2C. I think it opens up more trade possibilities.

If he's passable, you can now start exploring (closer to the deadline I mean) for impact wingers like Kane.
Otherwise, we're pigeonholed into looking for a 2C and only a 2C. If you can Rantanen to function in that spot, you give yourself more trade options (C or W). It would also allow the Avs Newhook to slot into a top 6 winger role for the time being.

The Avs have the luxury of having 3 very responsible defensive wingers. Gives you a bit, not a ton, but a bit of leeway into the Center not being ideal.

 

[redacted]

Hopefully Georgiev pans out though. If he struggles, it could get ugly.

I'm actually not all that worried about the goalie situation during the season. If George fails, I'm confident Frankie can handle the load well enough in the season. Playoff are a different story, but depending how things play out up front... the Avs can likely survive average to below average goaltending.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Everyone chill the F out. We have the whole damn D core back and it will be better than what we had last year. Manson for a whole year, Byram for a whole year and improved. Forwards we found a way to pretty much keep everyone except Kadri and Burk. Stinks but reality is there is cap. Goaltending could be better if George gets it goin. At worst, Frank is close to what we got from Keumper.

Bottom line we will be in the playoffs and be one of the 5-6 teams with a legit shot to win it. While the core is signed for the next few years. What more could you want?

You’re significantly more fired up than anyone in here currently?

 

[Richard88]

Yeah, that's probably why they talked about using internal options for the 2C role earlier this summer.


I wouldn't be totally surprised if they're done at this point with the Blidh signing. They would have about $3M in space to start the season, lots of room for injuries as well. Bank a bunch of space up to the deadline and then get a 2C at that point.


It's a little risky because without a 2C we really are 1-2 injuries away from JTC #1C territory. But they should be good enough to be comfortably in the playoff hunt and then you add the 2C at the deadline.


Hopefully Georgiev pans out though. If he struggles, it could get ugly.

Even with Blidh on the roster as the 22nd guy there's still $3.7m in capspace available with just one roster spot to fill. They could thus add another ~$1.2m forward and still have $2.5m to cover bonuses with a 22 man roster.

Point being I'm not sure they're done yet, $3.7m is just too much wiggle room...

... Unless of course their plan is to have $3.7m in space for a couple of months to allow maximum flexibility in the second half of the season. For example, in terms of bonuses $3.7m for the first half and then $1.7m the second half would average out as $2.7m free for bonuses (since bonuses are covered by average capspace rather than accrued space). So if they simply wait 2-3 months to play it safe they could easily cover bonuses and add some significant pieces even a month or two before the TDL.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Even with Blidh on the roster as the 22nd guy there's still $3.7m in capspace available with just one roster spot to fill. They could thus add another ~$1.2m forward and still have $2.5m to cover bonuses with a 22 man roster.

Point being I'm not sure they're done yet, $3.7m is just too much wiggle room...

... Unless of course their plan is to have $3.7m in space for a couple of months to allow maximum flexibility in the second half of the season. For example, in terms of bonuses $3.7m for the first half and then $1.7m the second half would average out as $2.7m free for bonuses (since bonuses are covered by average capspace rather than accrued space). So if they simply wait 2-3 months to play it safe they could easily cover bonuses and add some significant pieces even a month or two before the TDL.

That's not true.


They're at $3.91M right now with a 21 man roster. Blidh brings it down to $3.16M. Then you add Meyers to give it a 23 man roster and you're at ~$2.25M with 23 guys.



I also highly doubt the Avs go with a 22 man roster. It's possible with MacDermid being able to slot in at both F and D, but they had to use a shortened lineup a couple times last year due to cap issues. I bet they'll want to run 23 guys as much as possible this year.

 

[Pokecheque]

I mean, this is kinda/sorta one of the consequences of going for it, which is precisely what a lot of us, including me, criticized Joe for not doing previously. It's always a bummer to see those consequences played out but what can ya do.

I hope they snag someone like Stazz as a fallback option, if indeed Rants does work out at 2C (I don't think he will) or JTC takes that spot (the more likely thing they'll try) they can just use him as a middle six winger.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I mean, this is kinda/sorta one of the consequences of going for it, which is precisely what a lot of us, including me, criticized Joe for not doing previously. It's always a bummer to see those consequences played out but what can ya do.

I hope they snag someone like Stazz as a fallback option, if indeed Rants does work out at 2C (I don't think he will) or JTC takes that spot (the more likely thing they'll try) they can just use him as a middle six winger.

They won the cup so it's all worth it in the end.


IMO this year should be the last year of 100% going for it though. After this year I'd be hoarding draft picks again to try and quickly build up a good prospect pool so that maybe we can open a 2nd window of going for it in a few years with this same core.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[EdAVSfan]

Even with Blidh on the roster as the 22nd guy there's still $3.7m in capspace available with just one roster spot to fill. They could thus add another ~$1.2m forward and still have $2.5m to cover bonuses with a 22 man roster.

Point being I'm not sure they're done yet, $3.7m is just too much wiggle room...

... Unless of course their plan is to have $3.7m in space for a couple of months to allow maximum flexibility in the second half of the season. For example, in terms of bonuses $3.7m for the first half and then $1.7m the second half would average out as $2.7m free for bonuses (since bonuses are covered by average capspace rather than accrued space). So if they simply wait 2-3 months to play it safe they could easily cover bonuses and add some significant pieces even a month or two before the TDL.

I think you mean Blidh as the 21st guy and not the 22nd.

Avs currently have 3.9 in space with a 21 man roster. If you remove Sedlak and Englund and add Blidh and Meyers, it leaves them with 3.8M with a 21 man roster. So 3ish Million with a 22 man roster.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

My God, can we PLEASE get rid of that annoying combining of posts if posted within 5 minutes of each other? It's beyond annoying. I don't see what the point of it is, especially If you are posting about 2 different things. Now I have to wait 5 minutes, or hope someone else posts soon, so what I want to post doesn't get added to this post. Stupid.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I got you @Bill Peckerskull

 

[tucker3434]

That's not true.


They're at $3.91M right now with a 21 man roster. Blidh brings it down to $3.16M. Then you add Meyers to give it a 23 man roster and you're at ~$2.25M with 23 guys.



I also highly doubt the Avs go with a 22 man roster. It's possible with MacDermid being able to slot in at both F and D, but they had to use a shortened lineup a couple times last year due to cap issues. I bet they'll want to run 23 guys as much as possible this year.

Broken record on this, but if <$2m we saved on goaltending ends up going unused, I'm going to lose it.

 

[Richard88]

That's not true.


They're at $3.91M right now with a 21 man roster. Blidh brings it down to $3.16M. Then you add Meyers to give it a 23 man roster and you're at ~$2.25M with 23 guys.



I also highly doubt the Avs go with a 22 man roster. It's possible with MacDermid being able to slot in at both F and D, but they had to use a shortened lineup a couple times last year due to cap issues. I bet they'll want to run 23 guys as much as possible this year.

I think I may have been unclear in my statement where I said "Even with Blidh on the roster as the 22nd guy there's still $3.7m in capspace available with just one roster spot to fill."

What I meant was that there's Blidh in the "22nd" spot there's $3,797,500 to fill the 2C hole to complete the 22 man roster (without the 2C it's a 21 man roster).

In the roster below I've added a placeholder 2C at $1.2m which completes a 22 man roster including Blidh and which has $2.597m left over.

My point here being that they can easily add another cheapish forward and have space for bonuses.

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[Richard88]

I think you mean Blidh as the 21st guy and not the 22nd.

Avs currently have 3.9 in space with a 21 man roster. If you remove Sedlak and Englund and add Blidh and Meyers, it leaves them with 3.8M with a 21 man roster. So 3ish Million with a 22 man roster.

I include Meyers and don't count Englund in any roster, not sure why anyone would do otherwise.

Technically he's the "21st" but I meant that he's the 22nd with a roster that has a hole at 2C. Anyhow, a 21 man roster has $3.797m left. Which means you have up to $3.797m to fill 2C (likely less depending on how much you want to budget for bonuses).

 

[redacted]

I forgot about Meyers on the bonus amounts... his is 212.5k and is likely a very easy to meet one.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Pokecheque]

They won the cup so it's all worth it in the end.


IMO this year should be the last year of 100% going for it though. After this year I'd be hoarding draft picks again to try and quickly build up a good prospect pool so that maybe we can open a 2nd window of going for it in a few years with this same core.

Eh, I think a smart organization can do both. That's my one concern though, they've never taken the hammer to their drafting/developing model like they should have following the 2014 disaster (and 2016 was pretty damned close). They'll likely be sacrificing their first rounder the next couple years, and even then you're expecting everything to be low first-rounders and beyond--someone has to be able to extract good value for those--Pittsburgh somehow does it. The Avs should be able to as well, but I don't think switching from Hepple to Klipp and spending a whole bunch of resources of getting "development coaches" is going to solve that. They need to gut their amateur scouting department completely.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

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[EdAVSfan]

Are Meyers' bonuses based off this?

Entry Level Performance Bonuses | Puckpedia

Entry Level Contracts are eligible for Performance Bonuses. There are two categories of Performance Bonuses: "A" Level Bonuses "A" Bonuses are worth $212,500 each, to a maximum of $850,000 (maximum 4 achieved). For players signed starting in 2022, "A" bonuses are worth $250,000 each, to a...

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Bonuses:

"A" Level Bonuses

"A" Bonuses are worth $212,500 each, to a maximum of $850,000 (maximum 4 achieved). For players drafted starting in 2022, "A" bonuses are worth $250,000 each, to a maximum of $1,000,000 (maximum 4 achieved). They are achieved by each of:

Forwards

-20 goals

-35 assists

-60 points

-Top six in Time on Ice among forwards (in total and/or per game) on team (minimum 42 games)

-Top three in +/- among forwards on team (minimum 42 games)

-0.73 points per game (minimum 42 games)

-End-of Season All Rookie Team

-All Star Selection

-All Star MVP

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I actually really like that contract. Think Ferraro is going to develop to be a really dependable Top-3 option, though he's probably never going to put up massive point totals.

 

[ABasin]

This is an argument against my own belief... but a legit argument against going to the cap this year is the 3.35m in potential bonuses that are hanging out there. Now likely only 2-2.5m are likely to be hit, but most of the bonuses lie in Byram... the other are with Newhook... both players who will very likely have an expanded role.

If 2.5m in bonuses are hit and the Avs end with zero cap room... well, suddenly the effective cap next year goes from 83.5m to 81m. We see the crunch of next year is already tough... make it LESS than the cap of the last 3 years, well... next offseason will be really rough.

If the Avs go over the cap - due to bonuses - they lose that cap space the next season? Am I reading that correctly?

I confess I'm not tracking this. Can you please explain this bonus thing? Thx.

 

[EdAVSfan]

If the Avs go over the cap - due to bonuses - they lose that cap space the next season? Am I reading that correctly?

I confess I'm not tracking this. Can you please explain this bonus thing? Thx.

Pretty much.

If the Avs have space, they can apply the bonuses to the space leftover in the 2022-2023 season. Overages apply to the following season.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Outrageous nickname . There can only be ONE Super Mario (#66) …ever .