Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Avsboy]

Whatever happened to HFs minimum age requirement?

 

[EdAVSfan]

Not so much lately. Lately, it's been more about "let me see how I can phrase this so I can only be minimally wrong but then take credit if I'm right." The application of this to the various hot takes has been the loose string that people have been pulling at lately. Like people are stupid.

That may be your experience, but it isn't necessarily the same for everyone.

Not all the same people are involved in the same conversations.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Bro we just won the Stanley Cup with one of the most talented and young cores in the league and people are talking about blowing it up and 21 year olds reaching the peak of their abilities...

Huh? I haven’t seen a single person here mention that we should blow it up?

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't disagree with that but people are only discussing all options to address the cap crunch coming up soon like it is being done every offseason. That we just won a cup should have no bearing on that discussion which again happens every offseason. What are we supposed to talk about in here? How great it was to win the cup? There is a thread for that already.

Why would it not? You don't think roster decisions didn't take place based on what worked and didn't work? But what gets a little tiresome is the assumption of knowledge that doesn't exist. People aren't privy to everything. Another one: the pretense that one knows how a player will age. Yes, share your opinion. But are you saying the five pages of arguing and peacocking about something that's unknowable is necessary?

 

[AllAboutAvs]

^ What I meant by that statement was that people are saying we just won the cup so we should just sit back, enjoy it and shut up. We won the cup a month ago...there is another season coming up. We are allowed to discuss potential changes to those upcoming seasons.

 

[The Abusement Park]

At least the people that don’t like the abrasive behavior are dealing with this with incredibly abrasive behavior.

 

[Richard88]

Whatever happened to HFs minimum age requirement?

They clearly did away with it before you joined Pierce.

Badum tsss

 

[The Abusement Park]

They clearly did away with it before you joined Pierce.

Badum tsss

 

[Richard88]

Say we don't sign anyone else and we bank cap space until the deadline, can we use that "banked cap space" on a 2C and still have enough to pay bonuses at the end of the year?

Yes, easily.

Yes, bonus overages get tagged on the following year's cap. In fact, the Avs will be dealing with a small bonus overage ($25,000) for this upcoming season. Can't remember whose it was off the top of my head but they had been pretty careful to leave room for bonuses going into 2021, but injuries and the Meyers signing (I believe) ate away at that room.

It was the Meyers signing bonus that added $25k as it couldn't be applied to last season.

 

[cinchronicity]

Huh? I haven’t seen a single person here mention that we should blow it up?

Actually, I would LOVE to have an intelligent dialogue about blowing it up after 3 years.

1) As the associated prospect discussion makes abundantly clear: The Avs do not have much in terms of prospects.
2) The Avs will likely finish in the Top 5 for the next 2 or 3 years. So their #1 will be #27 or later.

This makes retooling a bit difficult. The team will basically be replacement level players in the entire bottom 6. It is difficult to trade such players for much in terms of prospects and picks.

I am not sure how valid all the scuttlebutt is about Makar wanting to eventually play in Calgary, but that is the stepping stone to blowing the whole thing up. Toews will have almost certainly left as a FA, and potentially Girard in a hockey trade. EJ long gone.

So there is a valid argument to be made ( not necessarily a winning argument, but.....) that rather than hitting the Mendoza Line level of performance after what is hopefully as many as 3 cups, one possible strategy is making Byram the new Makar and build a team around him. Trade Mac, Mikko, Nuke, Lehky, Makar for prospects and draft picks. Keep Landy around as the wise old man. Suck for 3 years, then start making noise again, but with an average age closer to 25 than 30. If SakMac gets really lucky, Meyers and Newhook could take on the 2C and 3C roles. If they get insanely lucky, Georgiev reaches his entire potential.

So before all the pontificating starts, I have posted this as a catalyst for a rational respectful dialogue. With all due respect to the core members of HFAvs, there are far too many ad hominem attacks during the off season ( OK, OK, 365 days per year.) None of us are qualified to take Sakic's place, and tend to put way way too much weight on our own flawed or uninformed suggestions. Geez. We all love the Avs. We all love talking about the team. So why not discuss a completely off the wall suggestion such as completely blowing up this team after 3 more seasons? If you think that this thought has never entered the minds of SakMac, you would be foolish.

So flame me if you wish, but I think that there could be a robust discussion on this topic, and pray that the discussion does not fall into the insult flow this forum has become lately.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Yes, easily.

Interesting.
So if the Avs carried 3 million til the trade deadline (I don’t think they will) then in theory, they would have like 15 million in deadline space.

The Avs could technically acquire 12M worth of contracts and hold that remaining 3 for bonuses?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

They clearly did away with it before you joined Pierce.

Badum tsss

Actually they didn't. My first account got banned because I was under the age and I waited like a year before re-joining

 

[redacted]

Yes, easily.


It was the Meyers signing bonus that added $25k as it couldn't be applied to last season.

Just as clarity... it wasn't a signing bonus, it was a games played bonus. Signing bonus was a separate 92.5k.

 

[Pokecheque]

Ah, but they can't bank cap space if they have to use LTIR correct? And I don't see a scenario where they don't dip into that for some portion of the season.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Actually, I would LOVE to have an intelligent dialogue about blowing it up after 3 years.

1) As the associated prospect discussion makes abundantly clear: The Avs do not have much in terms of prospects.
2) The Avs will likely finish in the Top 5 for the next 2 or 3 years. So their #1 will be #27 or later.

This makes retooling a bit difficult. The team will basically be replacement level players in the entire bottom 6. It is difficult to trade such players for much in terms of prospects and picks.

I am not sure how valid all the scuttlebutt is about Makar wanting to eventually play in Calgary, but that is the stepping stone to blowing the whole thing up. Toews will have almost certainly left as a FA, and potentially Girard in a hockey trade. EJ long gone.

So there is a valid argument to be made ( not necessarily a winning argument, but.....) that rather than hitting the Mendoza Line level of performance after what is hopefully as many as 3 cups, one possible strategy is making Byram the new Makar and build a team around him. Trade Mac, Mikko, Nuke, Lehky, Makar for prospects and draft picks. Keep Landy around as the wise old man. Suck for 3 years, then start making noise again, but with an average age closer to 25 than 30. If SakMac gets really lucky, Meyers and Newhook could take on the 2C and 3C roles. If they get insanely lucky, Georgiev reaches his entire potential.

So before all the pontificating starts, I have posted this as a catalyst for a rational respectful dialogue. With all due respect to the core members of HFAvs, there are far too many ad hominem attacks during the off season ( OK, OK, 365 days per year.) None of us are qualified to take Sakic's place, and tend to put way way too much weight on our own flawed or uninformed suggestions. Geez. We all love the Avs. We all love talking about the team. So why not discuss a completely off the wall suggestion such as completely blowing up this team after 3 more seasons? If you think that this thought has never entered the minds of SakMac, you would be foolish.

So flame me if you wish, but I think that there could be a robust discussion on this topic, and pray that the discussion does not fall into the insult flow this forum has become lately.

I think there is a plenty of good discussion to have about what the future holds. And whether we should push hard this season or just let things unfold as they may due to the seemingly likely cap crunch. There’s a lot of ways to go about that.

Maybe we should open a thread for that

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Actually, I would LOVE to have an intelligent dialogue about blowing it up after 3 years.

1) As the associated prospect discussion makes abundantly clear: The Avs do not have much in terms of prospects.
2) The Avs will likely finish in the Top 5 for the next 2 or 3 years. So their #1 will be #27 or later.

This makes retooling a bit difficult. The team will basically be replacement level players in the entire bottom 6. It is difficult to trade such players for much in terms of prospects and picks.

I am not sure how valid all the scuttlebutt is about Makar wanting to eventually play in Calgary, but that is the stepping stone to blowing the whole thing up. Toews will have almost certainly left as a FA, and potentially Girard in a hockey trade. EJ long gone.

So there is a valid argument to be made ( not necessarily a winning argument, but.....) that rather than hitting the Mendoza Line level of performance after what is hopefully as many as 3 cups, one possible strategy is making Byram the new Makar and build a team around him. Trade Mac, Mikko, Nuke, Lehky, Makar for prospects and draft picks. Keep Landy around as the wise old man. Suck for 3 years, then start making noise again, but with an average age closer to 25 than 30. If SakMac gets really lucky, Meyers and Newhook could take on the 2C and 3C roles. If they get insanely lucky, Georgiev reaches his entire potential.

So before all the pontificating starts, I have posted this as a catalyst for a rational respectful dialogue. With all due respect to the core members of HFAvs, there are far too many ad hominem attacks during the off season ( OK, OK, 365 days per year.) None of us are qualified to take Sakic's place, and tend to put way way too much weight on our own flawed or uninformed suggestions. Geez. We all love the Avs. We all love talking about the team. So why not discuss a completely off the wall suggestion such as completely blowing up this team after 3 more seasons? If you think that this thought has never entered the minds of SakMac, you would be foolish.

So flame me if you wish, but I think that there could be a robust discussion on this topic, and pray that the discussion does not fall into the insult flow this forum has become lately.

They shouldn't ever blow it up unless they're forced to do it... But I would also say there's definitely scenarios where they are forced to do so.

The Makar forcing his way to Calgary as a UFA thing is mostly jokes, but at the same time if you believe in hockey karma... With what happened to them and Gaudreau/Tkachuk this summer, they're definitely due for a superstar to want to join them in free agency in the coming years.

It could be an interesting discussion in a few years. Blowing it up, trading Landy/Mikko/Mack to contenders and tanking for 2-3 years could give them an insane haul of young prospects and high draft picks to try and accelerate a rebuild and not go through that 10 years of pain we just got out of.

...But at the same time, if the core guys are still playing well and we're still a playoff team(Even if we're just Boston or Washington at that point) I dont think you'd find many GMs or Owners willing to pull the plug like that.


Chicago had a chance to do this and still sort of can... They screwed up so hard trading for Seth Jones though. If they just didn't make that trade, and traded Kane/Toews last summer they could have a pretty crazy haul of young pieces already and a fantastic chance at Bedard or Michkov this year.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Ah, but they can't bank cap space if they have to use LTIR correct? And I don't see a scenario where they don't dip into that for some portion of the season.

Correct.

 

[Pokecheque]

Correct.

They tried like hell to bank cap space last year but that didn't last. I doubt it'll be any different this upcoming season. At some point someone major is going to miss time.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

They tried like hell to bank cap space last year but that didn't last. I doubt it'll be any different this upcoming season. At some point someone major is going to miss time.

Probably, but going into the season with ~3M in space for example would give them a lot of wiggle room.


That's enough space to bring 4 guys up for injury before having to put someone on LTIR.


IIRC they only started last season with like $1M in space or something. They would have a lot more wiggle room this season.

 

[Pokecheque]

Probably, but going into the season with ~3M in space for example would give them a lot of wiggle room.


That's enough space to bring 4 guys up for injury before having to put someone on LTIR.


IIRC they only started last season with like $1M in space or something. They would have a lot more wiggle room this season.

That's assuming they make no further signings and/or don't move any salary out. I feel like they're going to make at least one more move before the puck drops.

 

[Ncit3]

Whatever happened to HFs minimum age requirement?

I'd also like a maximum age requirement as well.

 

[Eltuna]

I think Scheifele is the best target and will be surprised if the Avs are not very interested in him.

Right age to fit the core, 2 years left at a great cap hit, should be made available throughout the year if the Jets are not in a playoff spot, etc

He has a really competitive personality and is pushy on his teammates but that’s not unlike MacKinnon in Colorado, I think his temperament will really mesh well with Bednar as well.

I don’t buy the locker room cancer stuff with him, the concerns with his defensive game last year are very valid but I think he lost a lot of motivation with the way the season went and would rekindle that drive in Colorado.

 

[Balthazar]

Is there any potential target for a 2C at the deadline? Must be a top 6 center playing on a shit team that won't re-up him.

Won't be easy to find.

 

[avsfan9]

Is there any potential target for a 2C at the deadline? Must be a top 6 center playing on a shit team that won't re-up him.

Won't be easy to find.

Dubois?

 

[redacted]

Is there any potential target for a 2C at the deadline? Must be a top 6 center playing on a shit team that won't re-up him.

Won't be easy to find.

IMO really depends how Winnipeg, Vancouver, Seattle, etc play. Some of the teams that have guys that could be moved, could start hot and not give up their guys.