Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Yeah, I do think the Manson contract is steep.

I would’ve felt more comfortable with him at $3.5M.

Honestly though, a lot of number 4 D get overpaid. It happens every year. I’m confident Manson would’ve gotten that deal on the open market.

I think the Avs felt it was worth paying for Manson’s physicality. He’s really not a world beater defensively, it’s the physicality that he brings that’s valuable. And his skating is still pretty good right now.

Still think they signed Manson to term knowing they’d move one of their other defenceman this off-season, or next.

 

[hughdreamz]

Yeah, I do think the Manson contract is steep.

I would’ve felt more comfortable with him at $3.5M.

Honestly though, a lot of number 4 D get overpaid. It happens every year. I’m confident Manson would’ve gotten that deal on the open market.

I think the Avs felt it was worth paying for Manson’s physicality. He’s really not a world beater defensively, it’s the physicality that he brings that’s valuable. And his skating is still pretty good right now.

Still think they signed Manson to term knowing they’d move one of their other defenceman this off-season, or next.

Manson also brings an element their D core doesn’t have and it proved to be very effective and necessary in a Cup run. Also, with their defensive prospects depleted, they likely couldn’t afford to lose Manson in this window.

 

[Cypher]

Handful of teams need to unload salary

- Edmonton = even with Klefbom and Smith on LTIR AND only 20 skaters, they barely fit under the cap (100-200k)
- Florida = trying to move Hornqvist to get under the cap
- NYI = trying to move salary to sign Kadri

Arizona and Buffalo about to get some 1sts just to take on some salary

 

[hughdreamz]

Handful of teams need to unload salary

- Edmonton = even with Klefbom and Smith on LTIR AND only 20 skaters, they barely fit under the cap (100-200k)
- Florida = trying to move Hornqvist to get under the cap
- NYI = trying to move salary to sign Kadri

Arizona and Buffalo about to get some 1sts just to take on some salary

Florida ain’t got no 1sts left lol

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Florida ain’t got no 1sts left lol

I think they still have 2039.

 

[zxcvnm]

Florida ain’t got no 1sts left lol

Girard and our 1st for Lundell and Hornqvist? We can all dream. Then we’d definitely win another championship. Maybe make the playoffs too

 

[Balthazar]

3.1M AAV on a 2-year bridge contract for a 40 pts RFA like Yamamoto.

Yea Newhook has one more season to prove that he can be the 2C on this team otherwise he's gone next summer. With the Byram and Mackinnon raises, we won't be able to afford Newhook next year unless he's the 2C.

Gone are the days we can afford 3M+ 3rd liners.

 

[Freaky Styley]

With all the griping about the imminent cap crunch next season it makes all the more sense to go all-in and trade for J.T. Miller for a repeat. Then retool and hope for another championship as the cap rises in the coming years.

Then we can all sit back, hibernate and just enjoy Cale Makars career

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

3.1M AAV on a 2-year bridge contract for a 40 pts RFA like Yamamoto.

Yea Newhook has one more season to prove that he can be the 2C on this team otherwise he's gone next summer. With the Byram and Mackinnon raises, we won't be able to afford Newhook next year unless he's the 2C.

Gone are the days we can afford 3M+ 3rd liners.

It wouldn’t make any sense to move Newhook as a cap dump though. He’s more cost controlled as a RFA and you can bridge him and keep him under team control.

I don’t see why the Avs won’t be able to afford a couple $3M 3rd liners, unless you think they’re going to keep spending an absurd amount of cap on the defence, like they are now.

 

[Avaholic29]

I keep seeing doom and gloom cap crunch talks and I get it, but I’d still wouldn’t trade our cap position and core for any other in the league.

 

[Balthazar]

I don’t see why the Avs won’t be able to afford a couple $3M 3rd liners, unless you think they’re going to keep spending an absurd amount of cap on the defence, like they are now.

That doesn't make any sense. You don't trade Girard or Toews to make room for expensive 3rd liners.

 

[Avaholic29]

That doesn't make any sense. You don't trade Girard or Toews to make room for expensive 3rd liners.

We are losing a LHD no matter what and good depth 3rd liners that put up 40 points cost 3m without question lol. Not saying to fill it with guys making 3m but you’ll always have Atleast 1 or the bottom six stinks.

 

[Balthazar]

We are losing a LHD no matter what and good depth 3rd liners that put up 40 points cost 3m without question lol. Not saying to fill it with guys making 3m but you’ll always have Atleast 1 or the bottom six stinks.

There's no scenario where we can afford 3M+ bottom 6ers.

Either we keep the defense or invest the money in a 2C.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

That doesn't make any sense. You don't trade Girard or Toews to make room for expensive 3rd liners.

Why would they keep both those guys next year when they’re capable of icing a very good top-4 without one of them?

$3M isn’t expensive for 3rd liners.

If the Avs can’t afford to pay a 3rd liner that then they’re not really going to have any scoring in their bottom-6.

 

[Balthazar]

Why would they keep both those guys next year when they’re capable of icing a very good top-4 without one of them?

$3M isn’t expensive for 3rd liners.

If the Avs can’t afford to pay a 3rd liner that then they’re not really going to have any scoring in their bottom-6.

We have no 2nd line center.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

We have no 2nd line center.

All the more reason why you don’t invest 40% of the cap on defence, when they’re going to run Makar 26/27 minutes a night regardless of who else is playing.

 

[Avaholic29]

There's no scenario where we can afford 3M+ bottom 6ers.

Either we keep the defense or invest the money in a 2C.

We aren’t keeping the defense longer than two years no matter what, just isn’t happening. Next summer when Byram is due is when we for sure move someone and I personally speculate it’ll be at some point this season.

 

[CharlesPuck]

We aren’t keeping the defense longer than two years no matter what, just isn’t happening. Next summer when Byram is due is when we for sure move someone.

It will be fine after we threepeat.

 

[Balthazar]

All the more reason why you don’t invest 40% of the cap on defence, when they’re going to run Makar 26/27 minutes a night regardless of who else is playing.

The point was, regardless if we choose to keep all 3 LHD or not, we still can't afford 3M+ bottom 6ers next year.

Newhook can't stay after next year unless he becomes our 2C for the 2023-24 season. If that's the case then we can pay him with Girard's or Toews' money.

 

[Balthazar]

I'll make it very easy for everyone:

Next year we need:

Mack raise: between +4M and +6M
Byram raise: between +4M (bridge) and +7M (long term).
Newhook raise: +2M at minimum
JTC replacement: 1M+
EJ replacement: 1M+

Total cost: between 12M and 20M


Cap relief:
Cap raise: ~1M
JTC money: 3.5M
EJ money: 6M

Total cap space: 10.5M

We're between 1.5M and 9.5M in the red without any 2nd line center. So if we do trade a defenseman, it won't be to pay guys 3M+ to play on the 3rd line.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Why would they keep both those guys next year when they’re capable of icing a very good top-4 without one of them?

$3M isn’t expensive for 3rd liners.

If the Avs can’t afford to pay a 3rd liner that then they’re not really going to have any scoring in their bottom-6.

Based on current contracts...even if you move for instance Girard, itll likely be quite difficult to have Newhook on the 3rd line at 3.5 or more. Especially without knowing who the 2C is.

We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

[Avaholic29]

I'll make it very easy for everyone:

Next year we need:

Mack raise: between +4M and +6M
Byram raise: between +4M (bridge) and +7M (long term).
Newhook raise: +2M at minimum
JTC replacement: 1M+
EJ replacement: 1M+

Total cost: between 12M and 20M


Cap relief:
Cap raise: ~1M
JTC money: 3.5M
EJ money: 6M

Total cap space: 10.5M

We're between 1.5M and 9.5M in the red without any 2nd line center. So if we do trade a defenseman, it won't be to pay guys 3M+ to play on the 3rd line.

I don’t think most of us are into being told by hf posters what the roster is going to be, like it’s concrete evidence. I respect your opinion and agree it’ll be tight but we have no clue what is to come and have been proven to have an unreal front office. It’ll work out.

 

[avsfan09]

I'll make it very easy for everyone:

Next year we need:

Mack raise: between +4M and +6M
Byram raise: between +4M (bridge) and +7M (long term).
Newhook raise: +2M at minimum
JTC replacement: 1M+
EJ replacement: 1M+

Total cost: between 12M and 20M


Cap relief:
Cap raise: ~1M
JTC money: 3.5M
EJ money: 6M

Total cap space: 10.5M

We're between 1.5M and 9.5M in the red without any 2nd line center. So if we do trade a defenseman, it won't be to pay guys 3M+ to play on the 3rd line.

Seeing all the teams that are cheating cap, I don’t see anyway for us not to play the same game. It’ll be interesting to see if there is a way we can cheat or take advantage of some loopholes because we are putting ourselves at a serious disadvantage by not.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I'll make it very easy for everyone:

Next year we need:

Mack raise: between +4M and +6M
Byram raise: between +4M (bridge) and +7M (long term).
Newhook raise: +2M at minimum
JTC replacement: 1M+
EJ replacement: 1M+

Total cost: between 12M and 20M


Cap relief:
Cap raise: ~1M
JTC money: 3.5M
EJ money: 6M

Total cap space: 10.5M

We're between 1.5M and 9.5M in the red without any 2nd line center. So if we do trade a defenseman, it won't be to pay guys 3M+ to play on the 3rd line.

I was just mapping out a roster for next season and they’ll most likely need to run someone like LOC on the 3rd line to bring back Newhook and Meyers.

You definitely can’t pay all the 3rd liners $3M, but one of them shouldn’t be an issue. Then they probably bring in a depth guy at the deadline with whatever cap they’ve accumulated throughout the year.