Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

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Pretty much, like other teams haven’t found ways to stay competitive with their cores and working around them lol. This board is hilarious sometimes.

Is anybody saying that this won't be a playoff team in 3 years?

Competitive is relative really... Penguins and Caps are making the playoffs every year, but are they really contenders? Which is the definition of competitive?(not saying Avs won't be contending in 3 years, but this is an example)

 

[zxcvnm]

Just to give an idea of how tight the salary cap is for next year.... Lets assume best case scenario Mackinnon signs for a huge discount at just 8x10M, and the Avs are able to bridge Byram to 3x5M, the same deal McAvoy got(Also probably my favorite comparable as a player to Byram, if he's to become a #1D I think it'll be in a similar mold to McAvoy). That means for next season we have these guys already signed:

Landy(7M) - Mack(10M) - Mikko(9.25M)
Nuke(6.125M) - ???? - Lehky(4.5M)
???? - ???? - ????
LOC(1.05M) - ???? - ????
????

Toews(4.1M) - Makar(9M)
Byram(5.0M) - Manson(4.5M)
Girard(5.0M) - ????
MacDermid(950k)

Georgiev(3.4M)
Francouz(2.0M)


That's $71M. We're looking at ~$11.5M in cap space. And we would still have Newhook and Meyers as RFAs at this point. If Newhook breaks out, that $4-5M for him. Even if you fill out the rest of the 4th line, 13th forward, and 6th Dman with 750k league minimum contracts, you're left with $8.5M for an entire 3rd line and a still vacant 2C hole. Now just thing, what if Mack's discount is at 8x12M instead of 8x10M? $9.5M in cap space. What if Byram wont take a bridge deal, and they end up going 6x8M instead? $6.5M in cap space. Now factor in any potential performance bonuses Byram may hit this year and what kind of a penalty that could impose next season?

Funny enough looking at this, its a very good thing we didn't sign Kadri in the end. We simply cant afford him next year. Covid really did happen at the worst possible time for this team. The flat cap is gonna kill us.

On balance, for a championship level core, it’s not that bad. There’s no really bad contract in there and the key pieces to be competitive are all there. We’re going to lose our depth but that team can continue to be a legitimate contender.

For instance, there’s still a good deal of flexibility. Girard’s contract could be moved next offseason to create more space. Manson’s the offseason after that. There’s work to be done and we’ll have to continue to luck out with some good value contracts over the next few years, but I’m not that pessimistic about it.

At least we got our cup. One more would be beautiful. Any more would exceed any reasonable expectation of any modern era team core.

Edit: the flat cap has hurt us a bit but Tampa was hit far harder and that certainly helped us this last year. The flat cap really had its impact this offseason and we saw a ton of top teams get weaker. It’s possible that the flat cap could end up helping us much more than it hurts.

 

[Richard88]

 

[TheForsbergShow]

Is anybody really saying the Avs will miss the playoffs in 3 years?

2024-2025

"If I had to guess a year where the Avs miss the playoffs coming up, this would be the year it happens Imo"

Close enough.

 

[redacted]

2024-2025

"If I had to guess a year where the Avs miss the playoffs coming up, this would be the year it happens Imo"

Close enough.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Looks like it's that time again to predict the Avs impending doom.

Not long ago it was popular to think the Avs would be a bubble team at best starting from next season. The goalposts have been moved and now it will happen in a few years.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Looks like it's that time again to predict the Avs impending doom.

Not long ago it was popular to think the Avs would be a bubble team at best starting from next season. The goalposts have been moved and now it will happen in a few years.

The Avs are going to be the model of the league when they abandon all superstar forwards and just have a bunch of aggressive, defensively responsible forecheckers on all 4 lines. They will have six 9+ million dollar defensemen dominating the backend though.

 

[Vaslof]

Looks like it's that time again to predict the Avs impending doom.

Not long ago it was popular to think the Avs would be a bubble team at best starting from next season. The goalposts have been moved and now it will happen in a few years.

We missed our window when Saad left. Why no rebuild last season?? Wasting time Sleepy Joe.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

The Avs are going to be the model of the league when they abandon all superstar forwards and just have a bunch of aggressive, defensively responsible forecheckers on all 4 lines. They will have six 9+ million dollar defensemen dominating the backend though.

Don't forget a terrible goaltender who cannot stop a beachball

 

[Avsboy]

The Avs are going to be the model of the league when they abandon all superstar forwards and just have a bunch of aggressive, defensively responsible forecheckers on all 4 lines. They will have six 9+ million dollar defensemen dominating the backend though.

Will?

 

[Avaholic29]

Is anybody saying that this won't be a playoff team in 3 years?

Competitive is relative really... Penguins and Caps are making the playoffs every year, but are they really contenders? Which is the definition of competitive?(not saying Avs won't be contending in 3 years, but this is an example)

I think for me personally I have to look at the conference and it’s direction, the east is getting stronger and stronger where our core in the west seems like a favourite for years to come with the core we have, if we somehow lose key players for whatever reason then of course that changes.

2024-2025

"If I had to guess a year where the Avs miss the playoffs coming up, this would be the year it happens Imo"

Close enough.

Someone said we’d start missing the playoffs in two years? wow

 

[redacted]

I think for me personally I have to look at the conference and it’s direction, the east is getting stronger and stronger where our core in the west seems like a favourite for years to come with the core we have, if we somehow lose key players for whatever reason then of course that changes.



Someone said we’d start missing the playoffs in two years? wow

The East is really strong right now and there are a legit 6 very good teams. The West is pretty weak next year. Looking further out though... LA and Anaheim probably have the best u23 groups in the NHL (New Jersey is up there too). Wild are a top 5 group (though they have major cap issues). Seattle, San Jose, and Winnipeg are not slouches either with their future groups. To assume the outlook of next season holds for the next 4 is an assumption I wouldn't make. IMO LA will be a contending team in 23-24. I think there is a solid chance they turn the corner this year. The West by 2024 will have at least 5 legit very good teams.

You're twisting those words. A person saying 'If I had to guess a year when the Avs miss the playoffs' is not the same as a person saying 'The Avs will miss the playoffs.'

 

[The Kingslayer]

Don't forget a terrible goaltender who cannot stop a beachball

Avs won a cup with one of those.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Don't forget a terrible goaltender who cannot stop a beachball

I mean that was actual true.

Still up in the air with George

 

[Avaholic29]

The East is really strong right now and there are a legit 6 very good teams. The West is pretty weak next year. Looking further out though... LA and Anaheim probably have the best u23 groups in the NHL (New Jersey is up there too). Wild are a top 5 group (though they have major cap issues). Seattle, San Jose, and Winnipeg are not slouches either with their future groups. To assume the outlook of next season holds for the next 4 is an assumption I wouldn't make. IMO LA will be a contending team in 23-24. I think there is a solid chance they turn the corner this year. The West by 2024 will have at least 5 legit very good teams.

You're twisting those words. A person saying 'If I had to guess a year when the Avs miss the playoffs' is not the same as a person saying 'The Avs will miss the playoffs.'

Well it’s an absolutely horrible guess then, someone id certainly not take any betting advice from.

 

[ANewHope]

The East is really strong right now and there are a legit 6 very good teams. The West is pretty weak next year. Looking further out though... LA and Anaheim probably have the best u23 groups in the NHL (New Jersey is up there too). Wild are a top 5 group (though they have major cap issues). Seattle, San Jose, and Winnipeg are not slouches either with their future groups. To assume the outlook of next season holds for the next 4 is an assumption I wouldn't make. IMO LA will be a contending team in 23-24. I think there is a solid chance they turn the corner this year. The West by 2024 will have at least 5 legit very good teams.

You're twisting those words. A person saying 'If I had to guess a year when the Avs miss the playoffs' is not the same as a person saying 'The Avs will miss the playoffs.'

What about your wrong side of 30 take? Kopitar, Doughty, Quick play really big roles with L.A and are getting up there. Danault is 29.

It’s subjective but I’d take Ottawa, Detroit, and NJ’s young core over Anaheim personally.

 

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What about your wrong side of 30 take? Kopitar, Doughty, Quick play really big roles with L.A and are getting up there. Danault is 29.

It’s subjective but I’d take Ottawa, Detroit, and NJ’s young core over Anaheim personally.

Those are the vets to the new core, not the core players on this rebuild/retool. Doughty's contract will likely be a problem for them though.

Their new core is Byfield, Kalyiev, Turcotte, Clarke, Fiala, Kempe, Durzi, and Bjornfot. The oldest in that group is 26 while most are under 23. The Spence, Grans, JAD, Fagemo, and Pinelli group are fighting to be a part of that next core. Petersen could still be the goalie of the core, but he needs a rebound year.

More than anything for the Kings to have a longer window open up, Byfield needs to hit as 1C.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

2024-2025

"If I had to guess a year where the Avs miss the playoffs coming up, this would be the year it happens Imo"

Close enough.

How is that even remotely close to saying they will definitely miss the playoffs?

 

[ANewHope]

Those are the vets to the new core, not the core players on this rebuild/retool. Doughty's contract will likely be a problem for them though.

Their new core is Byfield, Kalyiev, Turcotte, Clarke, Fiala, Kempe, Durzi, and Bjornfot. The oldest in that group is 26 while most are under 23. The Spence, Grans, JAD, Fagemo, and Pinelli group are fighting to be a part of that next core. Petersen could still be the goalie of the core, but he needs a rebound year.

More than anything for the Kings to have a longer window open up, Byfield needs to hit as 1C.

We’ll see how it shakes out but I think those 4 vets are so far ahead of the young core that when it’s time to contend they’ll likely have a few big holes.

I don’t think the young guys will all be ready next season and than after that your starting to worry about Kopitar/Doughty/Quick etc.

 

[shadow1]

Aside from the 2C hole (and a disproportionate amount of money/talent on defense), the Avs cap situation is in pretty good shape.

Money is tight, but that's because so many key pieces are locked up long term.

As great as Sakic was as a GM, one of his shortcomings at times was investing too heavily in the bottom of his roster. As recently as two years ago, Colorado was spending $9.1M on Calvert, Cole, and Nieto; add $2.6M for Colin Wilson had he not gotten injured.

I know Covid really depressed the value of depth players, but the fact is the Avalanche are getting equal performance out of players like Cogliano, Helm, and O'Connor at a fraction of the cost. The difference in money is now going towards the top forwards/defensemen salaries.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Holy f***, in three years avs miss the playoffs?

Which teams below are actually going to bump them out. The west is filled with a bunch of mediocre teams that will have there own decisions to make.

This thread is nauseating to read.

Indeed.

 

[Spilot23]

If there's someone new coming in this thread, here's how I would summarize it with a gif without reading the entire thread

 

[Balthazar]

Seravelli says Isles would move Beauvillier to make room for Kadri.

 

[TheForsbergShow]

How is that even remotely close to saying they will definitely miss the playoffs?

Sorry I should've added the possibility part.

We all know you would never fully commit to that which is why you worded it the way you did.

If you are right in 3 years time you will make sure to remind everyone you said it and be condescending about it.

If you are wrong you will say "I only said it was possible".

Either way it's an easy out for you lol.

 

[redacted]

We’ll see how it shakes out but I think those 4 vets are so far ahead of the young core that when it’s time to contend they’ll likely have a few big holes.

I don’t think the young guys will all be ready next season and than after that your starting to worry about Kopitar/Doughty/Quick etc.

Fiala is already a PPG player. Kempe a 35g guy. Durzi established himself as a top 4 defensemen. Kayilev looked really dangerous in a limited rookie role. Clarke, Byfield and Turcotte have a lot to prove... especially Turcotte. That's where Kopi holding on for a year or two more helps and then simply having Danault as a backstop gives them wiggle room. If Turcotte fails, the hole is already filled. If Byfield fails though... they are unlikely to contend.

I think they could be a really, really good team this year and be a top 3 team in the West. Things have to go right though. 23-24 is a more likely start to them turning the corner. I personally think LA has done a great job re-tooling that team. Tons of young talent to fill holes while building out a solid roster. Most rebuilds end in failure, so the odds are always against it... but they should be a model for what the Avs will face down the road.