Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Avaholic29]

@Richard88 I was fiddling around cap friendly and saw this atrocity... is this you?? (if so, you are a monster)

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With guhle in there too, Thatd be a tough one to say no to.

 

[hughdreamz]

Seravalli says if Kadri signs in NYI he expects Beauvillier to be moved. He says they could get a good return, but imo if Bjorkstrand got peanuts idk how Beauvillier gets anything significant.

 

[Bender]

With guhle in there too, Thatd be a tough one to say no to.

It would actually be a very easy one to say no to.

I like Kaiden Guhle as much as the next guy but he's still very much a prospect... in the same way that Duncan Siemens, Bo Byram, Stefan Elliott, Tyson Barrie, Chris Bigras were prospects. (the latter being the most important of the bunch but the point is, it's hit and miss)

Remember how Avs fans used to pencil-in Bigras into the lineup 5-6 years ago before he really proved anything? lol

Dvorak is a #3C and overpaid in that slot. He couldn't grab the #2C slot in Arizona OR Montreal where the spot has been open but he's supposed to slide right in on the Stanley Cup champs?? No thanks - to me his value is negative because of that fact. Not because he's such a terrible player but we'd be overpaying him to play in the bottom 6 at $4.45M for the next 3 years. No bueno.

That would be a very bad trade unless the Avs got a guarantee that Guhle was 100% for sure developing into a Top-4 guy and that's something no one can give. He's looking like a great prospect but so did Bigras and Elliot and so many others...

 

[Avsboy]

Who would you guys trade for Girards friend Beauvillier?

 

[BaconNater]

Replace Kadri with good wingers the win the cup so all the copy cat teams go all in to win with good wingers and dump their good centers then Avs get a 2C next summer for cheap for the three peat

 

[redacted]

Who would you guys trade for Girards friend Beauvillier?

Don't see where he'd fit here, even though I think he's a player that is prime to breakout.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

But Sakic and C-Mac already knew this about 29s potential contract. That variable hasn't changed. And they've been prepping for it for years so I'd say plenty of thought has gone into it.

The variable that has changed is Kadri and to a lesser extent Byram and Newhook.

Bringing Kadri back would make a huge difference on 29s contract structure. No Kadri you probably front load, Kadri comes back you might back load 29. Who knows.

As soon as Kadri goes to NYI. I would assume quickly thereafter 29 gets signed and we also sign a Pauly Walnuts type.

The only reason I can think of why Kadri's contract would delay Mack's signing his extension is if Mack wants to see how much Kadri signs for first. If Kadri signs at a very high AAV he could maybe say to Cmac/Sakic: "F*** that. If he is getting this much than I want this much." kind of thing. And that is assuming Mack doesn't already know or have a pretty good idea of what Kadri will be getting.

With that said there is a much better chance that Mack's contract itself is the delay. They are most likely having some disagreements on a few issues. Let's not forget Mack will be 34 when that contract expires. The last few years of that contract could become ugly.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The only reason I can think of why Kadri's contract would delay Mack's signing his extension is if Mack wants to see how much Kadri signs for first. If Kadri signs at a very high AAV he could maybe say to Cmac/Sakic: "F*** that. If he is getting this much than I want this much." kind of thing. And that is assuming Mack doesn't already know or have a pretty good idea of what Kadri will be getting.

With that said there is a much better chance that Mack's contract itself is the delay. They are most likely having some disagreements on a few issues. Let's not forget Mack will be 34 when that contract expires. The last few years of that contract could become ugly.

More like 35 or 36 actually

 

[avalanche_country]

MacK is gonna age like Tom Brady

 

[Bender]

The only reason I can think of why Kadri's contract would delay Mack's signing his extension is if Mack wants to see how much Kadri signs for first. If Kadri signs at a very high AAV he could maybe say to Cmac/Sakic: "F*** that. If he is getting this much than I want this much." kind of thing. And that is assuming Mack doesn't already know or have a pretty good idea of what Kadri will be getting.

With that said there is a much better chance that Mack's contract itself is the delay. They are most likely having some disagreements on a few issues. Let's not forget Mack will be 34 when that contract expires. The last few years of that contract could become ugly.

Alright this needs to stop. There are TONS of great players who sign big contracts and they finish them out just fine, Look at Patrice Bergeron - signed an 8 year deal @ $6.85M right before his 28th birthday with 1 year left on his contract - it expired this past year and people STILL wouldn't mind paying him another 6 mil this year.

The fact that some people seem to think that Mack is going to be bad or terrible at age 33 or 34 is hilarious and absolutely INCONSISTENT with what has been happening with superstar players in the NHL for the past what 20-30 years? Just like Crosby is bad? Malkin horrible? Ovechkin stinks? C'mon.... all of those guys are all older than 33-34 and are still currently very good players.

Some goof posts this ridiculous notion that Mack is going to be terrible in Year 7 and Year 8 as if he's going to be the next Loui Ericksson and people go along with it as if it's gospel because apparently, they can't think for themselves??? What the f*** is this???

 

[The Abusement Park]

Alright this needs to stop. There are TONS of great players who sign big contracts and they finish them out just fine, Look at Patrice Bergeron - signed an 8 year deal @ $6.85M right before his 28th birthday with 1 year left on his contract - it expired this past year and people STILL wouldn't mind paying him another 6 mil this year.

The fact that some people seem to think that Mack is going to be bad or terrible at age 33 or 34 is hilarious and absolutely INCONSISTENT with what has been happening with superstar players in the NHL for the past what 20-30 years? Just like Crosby is bad? Malkin horrible? Ovechkin stinks? C'mon.... all of those guys are all older than 33-34 and are still currently very good players.

Some goof posts this ridiculous notion that Mack is going to be terrible in Year 7 and Year 8 as if he's going to be the next Loui Ericksson and people go along with it as if it's gospel because apparently, they can't think for themselves??? What the f*** is this???

I mean mean he has the ability to stay at a high level like those guys. But also none of those guys relied on their physical gifts nearly as much as Mack. That’s the thing that gives me worry with him and his contract.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

More like 35 or 36 actually

Yeah 35. I forgot to count the season coming up.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Who would you guys trade for Girards friend Beauvillier?

Martin Kaut . Sure it’s not good value for islanders but that’s their problem not ours

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Alright this needs to stop. There are TONS of great players who sign big contracts and they finish them out just fine, Look at Patrice Bergeron - signed an 8 year deal @ $6.85M right before his 28th birthday with 1 year left on his contract - it expired this past year and people STILL wouldn't mind paying him another 6 mil this year.

The fact that some people seem to think that Mack is going to be bad or terrible at age 33 or 34 is hilarious and absolutely INCONSISTENT with what has been happening with superstar players in the NHL for the past what 20-30 years? Just like Crosby is bad? Malkin horrible? Ovechkin stinks? C'mon.... all of those guys are all older than 33-34 and are still currently very good players.

Some goof posts this ridiculous notion that Mack is going to be terrible in Year 7 and Year 8 as if he's going to be the next Loui Ericksson and people go along with it as if it's gospel because apparently, they can't think for themselves??? What the f*** is this???

Holly overreaction to my post. I never said he was going to be terrible. I said the contract could become ugly. Mack's diet and training could certainly keep him going strong all the way to 35 and possibly longer but Mack relies a lot on his speed so if he slows down some his play could suffer quite a bit unless he adjusts his game as time past. It is not a hot take to say his contract could be ugly at 34-35. It happens to more players than not. Great players tends to play through it but those guys are usually very smart players and Mack is not the most cerebral player out there.

 

[hughdreamz]

Cap space is a real hot commodity. Maybe Mac/Sak’s plan is to wait it out and when I team gets desperate to move cap we have the space to take on a steal.

 

[Richard88]

@Richard88 I was fiddling around cap friendly and saw this atrocity... is this you?? (if so, you are a monster)

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Lol nah bro that's some other imposter who stole my first name. I go by the same Richard88 name on capfriendly as well. You should have been able to tell from that awful trade proposal that it wasn't me, come on man

With guhle in there too, Thatd be a tough one to say no to.

Actually it would be easy. All you say is "no".

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Alright this needs to stop. There are TONS of great players who sign big contracts and they finish them out just fine, Look at Patrice Bergeron - signed an 8 year deal @ $6.85M right before his 28th birthday with 1 year left on his contract - it expired this past year and people STILL wouldn't mind paying him another 6 mil this year.

The fact that some people seem to think that Mack is going to be bad or terrible at age 33 or 34 is hilarious and absolutely INCONSISTENT with what has been happening with superstar players in the NHL for the past what 20-30 years? Just like Crosby is bad? Malkin horrible? Ovechkin stinks? C'mon.... all of those guys are all older than 33-34 and are still currently very good players.

Some goof posts this ridiculous notion that Mack is going to be terrible in Year 7 and Year 8 as if he's going to be the next Loui Ericksson and people go along with it as if it's gospel because apparently, they can't think for themselves??? What the f*** is this???

Yeah imagine thinking a 34 year old Mackinnon making $12M won't be an ugly contract.


Keep sipping that Kool-Aid "goof"

 

[Mighty Makar]

Some of ya’ll need to chill.

 

[Bender]

Yeah imagine thinking a 34 year old Mackinnon making $12M won't be an ugly contract.


Keep sipping that Kool-Aid "goof"

Hahahaha I had no clue who it actually was that started it first but now I know it's the guy with the worse takes on this forum that gets laughed at daily...

Imagine thinking that $12M - 8yrs from now is going to be the same exact thing as $12M in 2023 and that's IF he's even signing for that much.

 

[Pokecheque]

Look, it's a pretty good bet that Nathan MacKinnon's game will not age well. That said, pay the man whatever the hell he wants. Avs enjoyed an elite-level center talent at an insane discount for years, and it helped win them another Cup.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Look, it's a pretty good bet that Nathan MacKinnon's game will not age well. That said, pay the man whatever the hell he wants. Avs enjoyed an elite-level center talent at an insane discount for years, and it helped win them another Cup.

Agreed.


Pay him whatever he wants and enjoy the cup window for however many years we have left in it.


Not signing Mack would just end the window right away.

 

[ANewHope]

If you go by the average than yeah there will be some bad years. MacKinnon is a workout warrior and absolutely has potential to still be a solid player at 32-34. Look at Helms/Cogs skating. It’s not a given he’ll lose it all by 34. Also who knows what the cap will be like in 6 years.

I think there’s way too much confidence/attacking peoples opinions considering how unpredictable the NHL can be.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Hahahaha I had no clue who it actually was that started it first but now I know it's the guy with the worse takes on this forum that gets laughed at daily...

Imagine thinking that $12M - 8yrs from now is going to be the same exact thing as $12M in 2023 and that's IF he's even signing for that much.

Not comparing the players here but just replying on the dollar aspect of your comment...
6M is not the same as 6M was when we signed EJ and here we are with a pretty bad contract.

With that said, as Pokecheque said we have had Mack at a extremely good value for all those years so I have no problem paying him now. I would just prefer having him around 10.5-11.25M than 12M. I still stand by my comment that his contract could be ugly by then. It could possibly only take an injury that restrict his speed.

 

[Bender]

If you go by the average than yeah there will be some bad years. MacKinnon is a workout warrior and absolutely has potential to still be a solid player at 32-34. Look at Helms/Cogs skating. It’s not a given he’ll lose it all by 34. Also who knows what the cap will be like in 6 years.

I think there’s way too much confidence/attacking peoples opinions considering how unpredictable the NHL can be.

Nah... he's gonna stink. I've been convinced by the facts that no one presented as far as precedence that he's just not going to be worth the $12M per year in 2031 in that contract that he's yet to sign.

Players like Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Jagr, Sakic, Datsyuk, Messier, Francis, Yzerman and many more can all play really well up to age 35 but MacKinnon CANNOT play well up to age 34.

Got it.

 

[Vaslof]

Look, it's a pretty good bet that Nathan MacKinnon's game will not age well. That said, pay the man whatever the hell he wants. Avs enjoyed an elite-level center talent at an insane discount for years, and it helped win them another Cup.

How come? The guy takes care of himself, I'd bet on him aging well.