Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[Islay1989]

Lundell next Bergeron

 

[flyfysher]

I.... Ok?

I have no idea what the point you're trying to make is? Are you suggesting Byram is better then Makar?

You had a cow early on when it was suggested that Girard be traded before Byram. Then Girard went out with injury against the Blues and Byram replaced his role and helped the Avs to win the WCF and SCF. Once it became apparent how good Byram was playing in the POs after Girard went down you changed your tune pretty quickly on him.

No one cares about how good Girard was back in 2017 or thereafter. His play hasn’t been good enough to take the Avs to the WCF or SCF.

Girard is a very good D-man but he’s definitely not indispensable.

 

[avsfan09]

Then prove it

Otherwise there's literally only one of us spewing complete garbage, and it isn't me.

When you say rookie year are you referring to the year he played in the playoffs or the following season?

I mean in my opinion he was better right away but that could be debatable if that was your belief. And honestly I’m not interested in proving anything I just think you are at times unnecessarily abrasive and have some wild takes.

Back to Bo not having #1 upside... can you at least give a low down on why you would believe something like that? It just seems like he has done everything he could to silence his early critics and his only current issue seems to be his long-term health and well-being.

 

[avsfan09]

I dont think his Offensive ability will fully translate to the NHL level. I think he end up a ~35-40 point guy with good 2-way ability but not quite dominant enough on the offensive side to be a true #1 guy.

I basically see him as a slightly weaker Toews in his prime years. Although I also don't think his defensive game will actually be quite as good as Toews either.


Quality #2 guy and a great partner for Cale, but just not a #1 guy.

To me if he tops out as a #2 than your saying a 21 year old is completed developing and will stagnate the rest of his career.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

I dont think his Offensive ability will fully translate to the NHL level. I think he end up a ~35-40 point guy with good 2-way ability but not quite dominant enough on the offensive side to be a true #1 guy.

I basically see him as a slightly weaker Toews in his prime years. Although I also don't think his defensive game will actually be quite as good as Toews either.


Quality #2 guy and a great partner for Cale, but just not a #1 guy.

Byram has already posted 0.39 PPG in the regular season + 0.45 PPG in the playoffs. He hasn't been on the PP yet and is clearly still finding his way offensively, not surprising as Bo has less than 70 games played in the league.

Ending up as a 35-point player means that there will be zero growth going forward.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I see that we can still draw massive, overarching conclusions based on very small sample sizes.

Good to know that something is consistent around here/

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[The Abusement Park]

6.5 for Bratt seems really…. Reasonable?

 

[redacted]

Is his skating good enough though

At 6'1"... yup.

 

[hughdreamz]

Sounds like Naz is a goner. What’s your plan B Mac/Sac?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Sounds like Naz is a goner. What’s your plan B Mac/Sac?

B is for Bergeron

 

[hughdreamz]

Lou gonna trade Barzal to Colorado to make room for Naz

 

[The Abusement Park]

Lou gonna trade Barzal to Colorado to make room for Naz

Lmao no he isn’t.

 

[EdAVSfan]

No chance at Barzal.

Any team trading for him will be looking to lock him up long term. Meaning theyll give up more in a trade.

We simply cant afford Barzal long term, so we'd only be offering rental prices.

 

[Bender]

Anton Lundell is easily the most overrated player on this board IMO. It's not even close.

Always been a big Lundell fan but he's no Alexander Urbom.

If you have the chance to get a player like Patrick Kane you do it every single time.

Imagine Kane on this team...... Western teams would find themself in another nightmare.

Until a few weeks after we repeat (or not) and then a guy like Newhook is looking like a steady 50+ pt player at age 22 for the foreseeable future.

There are several scenarios in which the AVS would be a nightmare to play against - not just with the addition on PKane. For sure, he'd make us more formidable offensively but I still believe that whether it's him or Miller or any other rental that would only be here for that one run - would not cost a guy like Newhook. It would be more value but in the 'hypothetical' and unproven category.

I'll ask again - when was the last time a contender gave up a young player like Newhook for a straight-up rental??

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

The Islanders are not an organization that thinks long term.

I think if they sign Kadri, they’ll do everything they can to win next season. Most likely dumping the worst player of the plethora of guys who make $4M-$6M on that team.

 

[hughdreamz]

Lmao no he isn’t.

Forgot *sarcasm*

 

[EdAVSfan]

Always been a big Lundell fan but he's no Alexander Urbom.

Until a few weeks after we repeat (or not) and then a guy like Newhook is looking like a steady 50+ pt player at age 22 for the foreseeable future.

There are several scenarios in which the AVS would be a nightmare to play against - not just with the addition on PKane. For sure, he'd make us more formidable offensively but I still believe that whether it's him or Miller or any other rental that would only be here for that one run - would not cost a guy like Newhook. It would be more value but in the 'hypothetical' and unproven category.

I'll ask again - when was the last time a contender gave up a young player like Newhook for a straight-up rental??

I dont even think it has anything to do with Newhook.

I think its entirely based on the fact that other than our 1sts, we dont have very many desirable assets.

Any trade offer, will be compared to other offers. Right off the bat, our 1st is worth less than everyone else's. So already we start on the back foot. So you have to make up the value with other assets.

We basically have Newhook, Behrens, OO and our 1sts as what I would view as desirable assets. I cant really say much for the other propects in our system.

 

[Bender]

I dont even think it has anything to do with Newhook.

I think its entirely based on the fact that other than our 1sts, we dont have very many desirable assets.

Any trade offer, will be compared to other offers. Right off the bat, our 1st is worth less than everyone else's. So already we start on the back foot. So you have to make up the value with other assets.

We basically have Newhook, Behrens, OO and our 1sts as what I would view as desirable assets. I cant really say much for the other propects in our system.

Fair enough but at the same time, we don't have a lot of holes in the lineup either.

I fully understand that a guy like Newhook for him to fit this current Avs team's contending window would have to step up as the teams #2C starting next year but at the same time, he wouldn't be a guy I would move for a player that's only going to help us for 1 playoff run. A player with 2 years left? Maybe.

Ideally, it would come down to a situation like this : Vancouver finally re-ups JT Miller but now can't afford Horvat so they trade him to the Avs for a cheaper more cost-controlled Newhook + pick(s) and/or whatever with the Avs re-signing Horvat long-term.

That's the kind of trade you move him for, in my opinion.

 

[LOFIN]

If and when Kadri is gone, this is the team we are going to the season with. Maybe re-sign JMFJ, that's it (obviously announce the MacK extension at some point). Will this center depth (or rather lack of such a thing) be enough in the playoffs? I don't think so, and I doubt Sakic and MacFarland think that way either. But that's not an issue that needs to be addressed before the season if it's going to cost a Newhook or a Girard to do it.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

If and when Kadri is gone, this is the team we are going to the season with. Maybe re-sign JMFJ, that's it (obviously announce the MacK extension at some point). Will this center depth (or rather lack of such a thing) be enough in the playoffs? I don't think so, and I doubt Sakic and MacFarland think that way either. But that's not an issue that needs to be addressed before the season if it's going to cost a Newhook or a Girard to do it.

They’re not going to leave $3.9M cap on the table.

I would suspect they have a signing, or trade set up for when Kadri makes his decision.

Agree that they don’t necessarily have to get anything big done in the off-season, but I would be shocked if they’re finished.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Fair enough but at the same time, we don't have a lot of holes in the lineup either.

I fully understand that a guy like Newhook for him to fit this current Avs team's contending window would have to step up as the teams #2C starting next year but at the same time, he wouldn't be a guy I would move for a player that's only going to help us for 1 playoff run. A player with 2 years left? Maybe.

Ideally, it would come down to a situation like this : Vancouver finally re-ups JT Miller but now can't afford Horvat so they trade him to the Avs for a cheaper more cost-controlled Newhook + pick(s) and/or whatever with the Avs re-signing Horvat long-term.

That's the kind of trade you move him for, in my opinion.

Im in 100% agreement with you about how to handle Newhook and under what circumstances he should be traded. I would not trade him for a 1 year rental either.

I simply wanted to outline why I think we see him included in trade proposals. That, and also based on each persons personal belief on if hes a C long term

 

[jaisen73]

Unless the return felt like a no-brainer I wouldn't want Newhook dealt. He is still very young and it was just a season ago that a lot of us (myself included) were skeptical if Nuke could be a Top 6 guy and supply the offense to losing Saad in free agency. Do I think Newhook turns into a 30 goal scorer? No. Does he hit 20 or close to it? I wouldn't bet against it.

 

[Richard88]

I dont even think it has anything to do with Newhook.

I think its entirely based on the fact that other than our 1sts, we dont have very many desirable assets.

Any trade offer, will be compared to other offers. Right off the bat, our 1st is worth less than everyone else's. So already we start on the back foot. So you have to make up the value with other assets.

We basically have Newhook, Behrens, OO and our 1sts as what I would view as desirable assets. I cant really say much for the other propects in our system.

Patrick Kane has a full NMC and thus controls his destination 100%. That being the case it might not take Newhook to get it done.

 

[Avalanche2133]

Why do I feel like it’s gonna be Compher and a pick for Toews 50% retained coming up here once Naz officially signs with the Isles? Toews is not who he used to be but he still put up 37 points in 71 games while rotating between 2C and 3C at times. Kills some penalties. Put him between our 2nd line wingers and I bet he gets at least 50 points this season. JTC only has 1 year left so your not really giving anything future wise away.