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Patrick Kane feels like such a 99-2003 Avs move. I honestly think it makes a ton of sense. There is enough smoke. I think Kane would have career years even now on CO.
 
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The Abusement Park said:
I mean Makar and EJ have durability issues as well.
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EJ obviously has injury issues too but that doesn’t concern me near as much due to the roles they play on the team. Makars durability scares me a bit but not like the bo or G’s.

MonsterMack said:
Sure, but trading either of them leads to the same fears.
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I agree, and don’t want to see either traded unless we get a serious overpay…. Especially bo.
 
Byram is much more gifted physically than Girard, that’s why I have faith in his ceiling being higher. That and he’s shown more of a propensity to be a big game player.

As for Newhook, if I could choose between him, or Burakovsky for the next couple years, it would be Burakovsky. I know a lot of people rag on Bura, but being able to skate, shoot, hold the puck and make plays at 6’3 is not that easy to come by.

Hopefully Newhook takes the next step this season. There’s plenty of reasons to be optimistic about his game. I agree with some of the above that he didn’t really flash outside of the points, but he didn’t get a ton of opportunity.
 
MonsterMack said:
I'm baffled by so many posters that discount what G means to our team. I understand some of the logic, the math involved, but it always seems to underrate Girard. This spinny boi is so much better than so many of you understand.
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I’m not a Girard hater I think he’s a top end #3. The poster previously claimed he was more valuable than Makar was my point. I don’t want to trade him either, especially with our transitional strength boosting all our lines scoring.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Ok? He probably was in Makars Rookie year...

Why don't you bring up the post instead of just making baseless claims.


I'm sure we'll quickly find if that's actually what I said, it wasn't recent and wasn't talking long term.
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I just think you make a lot of wild claims and takes. I also don’t think was in his rookie year.
 
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To those who don't think Byram has 1D upside I'm curious why? I was in that camp before this season but now I'd be interested to see why. Heath? Tools? Don't think the Avs will let him roam and play a similar game to his junior style long term?

I also remember seeing some people think Girard was better than a rookie Makar and thought that was always silly. I think Girard played more minutes but Makar was clearly on another level from day 1 IMO.
 
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ANewHope said:
To those who don't think Byram has 1D upside I'm curious why? I was in that camp before this season but now I'd be interested to see why. Heath? Tools? Don't think the Avs will let him roam and play a similar game to his junior style long term?

I also remember seeing some people think Girard was better than a rookie Makar and thought that was always silly. I think Girard played more minutes but Makar was clearly on another level from day 1 IMO.
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People are just really high on his playoff performance, which is understandable. He ended up playing heavy minutes and produced elite defensive and possession metrics in the process, despite a rotating cast of D partners. Considering the fact that he's already developed a sound defensive game it's natural to project his offense returning to the pace it was before his head injury, if not more. He was also one of the most prolific scorers in the WHL, so the talent is there. So the fact that he's starting to put it all together already at age 21 could lead one to believe he'll be a #1 guy in the near future and, at the very least, a lock as a top-pairing D.
 
ANewHope said:
To those who don't think Byram has 1D upside I'm curious why? I was in that camp before this season but now I'd be interested to see why. Heath? Tools? Don't think the Avs will let him roam and play a similar game to his junior style long term?

I also remember seeing some people think Girard was better than a rookie Makar and thought that was always silly. I think Girard played more minutes but Makar was clearly on another level from day 1 IMO.
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I dont think his Offensive ability will fully translate to the NHL level. I think he end up a ~35-40 point guy with good 2-way ability but not quite dominant enough on the offensive side to be a true #1 guy.

I basically see him as a slightly weaker Toews in his prime years. Although I also don't think his defensive game will actually be quite as good as Toews either.


Quality #2 guy and a great partner for Cale, but just not a #1 guy.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
Ok? He probably was in Makars Rookie year...

Why don't you bring up the post instead of just making baseless claims.


I'm sure we'll quickly find if that's actually what I said, it wasn't recent and wasn't talking long term.
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Girard couldn't hold Makar's jock strap. Even in his rookie year.

These hot takes with you are golden.
 
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Balthazar said:
IMO this fanbase has Jost PTSD when it comes to projecting what Newhook can do which clouds its judgement.

Newhook played 10 games with the Eagles last season, he still hasn't played a full season in the NHL. He's very green, it's normal for centers to start on the wing in the NHL and even more so on a Stanley cup contender like the Avs. That doesn't mean that he can't or won't play center in the NHL.
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People have PTSD from Jost and Stoa and it's silly to lump those 2 together with Newhook.
It's like when people lumped D men together until Barrie. Then assumed everyone after him was the same.
 
Pierce Hawthorne said:
....Girard was our most valuable Dman for a while.

People forget what this Defense looked like when he joined us in 2017. He was our best Dman for almost 2 years until Makar came along.
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Interestingly the Avs didn’t win the SCF much less make it to the WCF with either Girard and/or Makar until Byram joined the line up. And the Avs did that without Girard in either series.

Sports has always very much been a what have you done for me lately endeavor. Not saying it’s the right focus. It just is what it is.
 
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flyfysher said:
Interestingly the Avs didn’t win the SCF much less make it to the WCF with either Girard and/or Makar until Byram joined the line up. And the Avs did that without Girard in either series.

Sports has always very much been a what have you done for me lately endeavor. Not saying it’s the right focus. It just is what it is.
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But the same can be said of Manson. I would've included MacDermid, but Jared apparently only believes in suiting him up for the regular season...which I can kinda get.
 
JLo217 said:
Patrick Kane feels like such a 99-2003 Avs move. I honestly think it makes a ton of sense. There is enough smoke. I think Kane would have career years even now on CO.
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Kane would almost let the Avs get away with a mediocre 2C. He’s such a puck dominant presence that the play basically revolves around him, surround him with heavy forechecking/defensive guys and you could have a recipe for success
 
flyfysher said:
Interestingly the Avs didn’t win the SCF much less make it to the WCF with either Girard and/or Makar until Byram joined the line up. And the Avs did that without Girard in either series.

Sports has always very much been a what have you done for me lately endeavor. Not saying it’s the right focus. It just is what it is.
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I.... Ok?

I have no idea what the point you're trying to make is? Are you suggesting Byram is better then Makar?
 
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If you have the chance to get a player like Patrick Kane you do it every single time.

Imagine Kane on this team...... Western teams would find themself in another nightmare.
 
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Nichushkin --- Newhook -- Kane
Lehkonen ------ Meyers ----- Compher
Cogliano --------- Helm ------- O'Connor
 
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Landeskog Calrissian said:
It's a big leap of faith that would give Vancouver a ton of leverage.

When Sakic traded for Lehkonen, he specifically emphasized the fact that Lehkonen was an RFA and not a rental.
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FTR any enthusiasm I had for JTM has cooled more than a bit. I feel like anyone who gets him will be buying way high and that’s usually not a great position to be in.

Besides I think he’s a better winger anyway.

Grigowski said:
If you have the chance to get a player like Patrick Kane you do it every single time.

Imagine Kane on this team...... Western teams would find themself in another nightmare.
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Nah. You don’t.
 
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