Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[John Mandalorian]

If the Isles do land Naz, Beauvillier is the one i'd be talking to them about. Either he moves Rants to C or insulates the 3rd line, and we go 2C hunting at the deadline. Or we pony up for Miller, which is becoming my preferred route.

I think Newhook + 2023 1st is a decent enough starting point. Newhook would be an easy sell in Van, loveable Newfy that brings Stanley Cup experience & positive character to a young team. Could wear an A in that locker room someday

The Avs don't already have enough wings?

 

[Balthazar]

Just looked at the Twitter account of Mark Seidel, the guy who said that Kadri with the Isles is a done deal.

Dude is 100% legit, he literally never tweets about stuff like that and he's followed by Capfriendly, Pronman, Marinaro, Kevin Weekes and Chris Johnson.

 

[Pokecheque]

The Avs don't already have enough wings?

Well, if they go and get Miller I assume that means they're going to use him as a center.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Interesting. I hadn’t seen this tweet. It’s probably simply after having played colorado.

But no doubt it’s interesting to see that he thinks it looks like fun to play. And now he watched them win a cup. Would be nice to get a Giroux/Florida-like treatment for the Avs this time.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Well, if they go and get Miller I assume that means they're going to use him as a center.

It's a big leap of faith that would give Vancouver a ton of leverage.

When Sakic traded for Lehkonen, he specifically emphasized the fact that Lehkonen was an RFA and not a rental.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Interesting. I hadn’t seen this tweet. It’s probably simply after having played colorado.

But no doubt it’s interesting to see that he thinks it looks like fun to play. And now he watched them win a cup. Would be nice to get a Giroux/Florida-like treatment for the Avs this time.

Not that I really want Kane here, but he is also capable of playing center. Any center who has played with him sort of has a hybrid role. We're very familiar with that type of thing.

The guy is a vile human off the ice though. I hope whatever they do works out well, and it isn't P. Kane, but if it is, at least on the hockey side of things, it would improve the team.

Both of those dudes took end the window type of contracts, and now they want out. Let em stay there.

 

[shadow1]

Interesting. I hadn’t seen this tweet. It’s probably simply after having played colorado.

But no doubt it’s interesting to see that he thinks it looks like fun to play. And now he watched them win a cup. Would be nice to get a Giroux/Florida-like treatment for the Avs this time.

Colorado beat Chicago the night before.

 

[shadow1]

Do the Islanders really need to shed much salary if they're signing Kadri? Say they want Kadri at 6M and bridge Dobson at something like 3.5/4M, they don't need to move out much. A Clutterbuck/Johnston type player out will be more than enough for Romanov who doesn't have the numbers to justify big money or even mid-level money.

I don't see them moving Nelson/Bailey/etc just to bring in Kadri. If they're signing Kadri, it's to add to the current team not subtract from it.

It would be very surprising if Kadri signed for only $6M with the Islanders. That's a number Colorado could afford.

We're talking about Lou Lamoriello here. He just gave Kyle Palmieri $5M annually on a long term deal, gave a then 37-year-old Patrick Marleau $6.25M not that long ago, and has some weird fixation with signing Matt Martin to long term deals. He's probably giving Kadri $7.5M+ and giving Dobson and Romanov more than we think.

 

[avsfan09]

Not sexy, but Lundell is a future Selke winner with 70 point upside... he'd be the ideal #2C here.

Is his skating good enough though

 

[dahrougem2]

He's a young second pairing defenseman with a lot of upside. He's not going to score a lot of points but he's physical, can move the puck well and eat minutes.

If they believe in him they'll lock him long term and that's going to cost 4M+. Short term probably close to 3M.

Isles are planning to play him in the top 4 next to Dobson.

Doesn't matter what's planned for him. Nothing he's done justifies him getting big money, especially if the Islanders are trying to squeeze Dobson and Kadri in.

 

[Balthazar]

Doesn't matter what's planned for him. Nothing he's done justifies him getting big money, especially if the Islanders are trying to squeeze Dobson and Kadri in.

hence having to move money first and this whole waiting circus

 

[Chiarelli]

I like both Lundell and Cirelli but comparing them to possibly the best two way defensive forward ever is laughable. Talk to me in 5 Selkes.

 

[Bender]

playoff pedigree. Just a good buy-low candidate ala Burakosky when we got him.

You're not getting Miller without Newhook

That's fine. Don't want to give up a player that has proved he can play in the NHL like Newhook for a rental, personally. Late picks and prospects with decent potential, sure.

If that's not enough, best of luck to ya Vancouver - things seem to be going swimmingly.

Based on what Colorado has done in the past, I doubt they would move Newhook for a rental. Colorado would need to look at tearing some things down by the 2023-2024 season.

Yeah, he gets thrown into a lot of trades around here - for Miller and PKane but it's unlikely the Avs would move him for a player only for a 1 year run.

In fact, when was the last time a contending team gave up an established player coming off a strong rookie year for a rental?

I think Newhook gets thrown around quite a bit around here but people need to get a grip. This kid put up 33 points in his rookie year while playing the 10th most ice time amongst Avs forwards. (13:34 avg per game) That's not easy to do.

 

[avsfan09]

Lundell has the upside to be Bergeron.

Byram IMO doesn't even have #1D upside.



It would be tough. But not impossible. Barkov and Lundell are possibly two of the best two-way centers in the entire league next year. Ekblad is also better then any of those Dmen in Puttsburgh.


Not saying the Panthers are the favorites by any means, and I could see them adding Chychrun at some point. But they're easily still one of the 4-5 top Cup favorites and even with that Defense they could win.

Byram played like a 1 D as a 21 year old for plenty of stretches. But than again you also thought Girard was our most valuable defenseman at one point so I can see how you might think something like this.

 

[dahrougem2]

I like both Lundell and Cirelli but comparing them to possibly the best two way defensive forward ever is laughable. Talk to me in 5 Selkes.

Anton Lundell is easily the most overrated player on this board IMO. It's not even close.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Byram played like a 1 D as a 21 year old for plenty of stretches. But than again you also thought Girard was our most valuable defenseman at one point so I can see how you might think something like this.

....Girard was our most valuable Dman for a while.

People forget what this Defense looked like when he joined us in 2017. He was our best Dman for almost 2 years until Makar came along.

 

[Balthazar]

Anton Lundell is easily the most overrated player on this board IMO. It's not even close.

So you don't believe that his upside is being the best 2-way center in NHL history?

 

[Avsfan1921]

I’ll likely get roasted for this but…

I like Newhook but I can absolutely see why so many include him in their proposals. I think the high end trajectory is that of a 2nd line winger and it’s gonna take some time to get there if he even does, and that’s time the Avs may not want to wait during this cup window timeframe.

He’s young and I am definitely rooting for him but there has been very little consistency there and on top of that when he’s not producing, he doesn’t provide anything else. I know there is potential for him to improve but at this point he’s worse than burakovsky offensively and I’d even wager defensively. And we all know how many people wanted him gone. If he can be used as a piece for even a medium term solution, I’d be all for it.

 

[Balthazar]

I like Newhook but I can absolutely see why so many include him in their proposals. I think the high end trajectory is that of a 2nd line winger and it’s gonna take some time to get there if he even does, and that’s time the Avs may not want to wait during this cup window timeframe.

IMO this fanbase has Jost PTSD when it comes to projecting what Newhook can do which clouds its judgement.

Newhook played 10 games with the Eagles last season, he still hasn't played a full season in the NHL. He's very green, it's normal for centers to start on the wing in the NHL and even more so on a Stanley cup contender like the Avs. That doesn't mean that he can't or won't play center in the NHL.

 

[SoftMittsHardSticks]

Newhook had a better ppg rate in his rookie season than a lot of big name players. His .46 ppg is better than:

Jack Hughes - .34
Kappo Kakko - .35
Kirby Dach - .36
Alexis Lafreniere - .36

There's literally no reason to believe that he can't build on his objectively successful rookie season.

 

[Avsfan1921]

IMO this fanbase has Jost PTSD when it comes to projecting what Newhook can do which clouds its judgement.

Newhook played 10 games with the Eagles last season, he still hasn't played a full season in the NHL. He's very green, it's normal for centers to start on the wing in the NHL and even more so on a Stanley cup contender like the Avs. That doesn't mean that he can't or won't play center in the NHL.

For me this isn’t a Jost ptsd kinda thing. Although they have similarities so far in that when they are on the ice they are usually just…. There. And not much else. Newhook may only be 21 but the NHL is and has been changing into a young man’s league for some time. At 21, I would have at least hoped to have seen a few glimpses of star talent and if there’s been more than 5 above average plays this season I’d be surprised. He may become a quality player but the lack of seeing it to this point coupled with the Avs need to strike while the iron is hot so to speak makes me believe he is a realistic trade piece. He doesn’t make a great bottom six guy and hasn’t shown any real glimpses of being a top six talent. I’m ok with them giving him a shot to see if he can run with it but would not be shocked if he can’t live up to what they need of him. In fact I do hope that they give him a shot consistently in the top 6 to begin the year but I don’t hold out a lot of hope that he’ll deliver.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Newhook had a better ppg rate in his rookie season than a lot of big name players. His .46 ppg is better than:

Jack Hughes - .34
Kappo Kakko - .35
Kirby Dach - .36
Alexis Lafreniere - .36

There's literally no reason to believe that he can't build on his objectively successful rookie season.

I mean.... 3 of those 4 players have shown no progression in subsequent years.

Comparing Hughes to Newhook is simply an insult to Hughes. They are lightworlds apart.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Newhook had a better ppg rate in his rookie season than a lot of big name players. His .46 ppg is better than:

Jack Hughes - .34
Kappo Kakko - .35
Kirby Dach - .36
Alexis Lafreniere - .36

There's literally no reason to believe that he can't build on his objectively successful rookie season.

For me it’s not the points, rather the way he gets them. More often than not he’s a non factor on his line, even if he does get a few points.

 

[MonsterMack]

....Girard was our most valuable Dman for a while.

People forget what this Defense looked like when he joined us in 2017. He was our best Dman for almost 2 years until Makar came along.

I'm baffled by so many posters that discount what G means to our team. I understand some of the logic, the math involved, but it always seems to underrate Girard. This spinny boi is so much better than so many of you understand.

 

[Avsfan1921]

I'm baffled by so many posters that discount what G means to our team. I understand some of the logic, the math involved, but it always seems to underrate Girard. This spinny boi is so much better than so many of you understand.

I love Sammy but his durability does truly scare me. Same as Bo.