Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

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What does success with a 2C look like this year? Kadri played out of his mind last year, not going to get that level of production again and the org knows this. They will make a move for one at TDL only if the price is right. Can't see them chasing a mythical creature when the team has plenty of talent as it is.
If they don’t get the 2C position solved this season it’s a straight up failure. Mack’s last year on a steal of a deal and you have a cup winning team in its prime. If the position isn’t filled internally they need to pay up to fill that hole.
 
If they don’t get the 2C position solved this season it’s a straight up failure. Mack’s last year on a steal of a deal and you have a cup winning team in its prime. If the position isn’t filled internally they need to pay up to fill that hole.
The only other option I can fathom would be to get Kane and allow him to effectively run the 2nd line from the wing. This would also push Lehks down to the third line which would make us that much deeper on the wings.
 
Duplicating his regular season production will be impossible basically. While we don’t win the cup without him and we’ll 100% need a competent 2C I think Kadri showing up in huge moments kinda overshadows the fact that he didn’t exactly light the playoffs up.

Getting Kadri like production in the playoffs is doable.
I mean he had 15 in 16. He was very good in the playoffs and it’s not a coincidence we got over the hump having competent 2C play(and obviously Makar somehow taking another jump). Not to say we need a PPG but he was integral in our run.
 
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The only other option I can fathom would be to get Kane and allow him to effectively run the 2nd line from the wing. This would also push Lehks down to the third line which would make us that much deeper on the wings.
Even then that’s pretty risky. Obviously the Hawks won cups with him running his own line, and he’s still very very good. But is he good enough to run a cup contending line with Newhook, Meyers or Compher at C? That’s a tall task.
 
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I mean he had 15 in 16. He was very good in the playoffs and it’s not a coincidence we got over the hump having competent 2C play(and obviously Makar somehow taking another jump). Not to say we need a PPG but he was integral in our run.

Where did I say he wasn’t? Where did I say he was bad in the playoffs? We don’t win without him. He had some absolute massive moments.

Just said his regular season was different than his playoffs. Replacing a 90 point 2C? Good luck. Impossible task IMO. He had a career peak regular season. His playoff performance outside of the key moments is realistic to replace.

I think our days of embarrassing teams are over. 16-4 is unrealistic to repeat. I think a lot of guys got over the hump. People downplay how close we were to beating Vegas. We’ll need a 2C no matter what but 15 in 16 is doable. The bigger ask will be asking the core guys to fill in those big moments Kadri had.
 
I’m curious to see the full impact of our D. I feel we have yet to see playoffs Bryam w healthy G and the top pair. It’s going to be a thing of beauty.
 
Yes, basically that 80+ points Avs lost in Kadri could possibly be replaced by Girard and Byram scoring 40 each from the blue line if they stay healthy. Could be little less, maybe 35 from G and 40 from Byram but I'd take it
 
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If they don’t get the 2C position solved this season it’s a straight up failure. Mack’s last year on a steal of a deal and you have a cup winning team in its prime. If the position isn’t filled internally they need to pay up to fill that hole.
First world problems I guess. Someone will play 2C and probably be pretty good with the linemates and defensive support they get. And I don't know if I agree that they don't win the Cup without Kadri. Yeah he helped but JTC was helpful in that role too. Before last season there was all this woe is us, the best chance to win had passed and they lost depth players and their goalie. So I just don't buy into this idea that the team won't win again because they didn't go overpay for a center.
 
One things to watch, if that space is used… next year gets even tighter with bonus overages.
This is the crux of the issue of the capspace. Even $1m overage could force them to have to trade someone like Meyers or Newhook in addition to one of Girard/Toews who are likely already going to have to be moved regardless.
 
If you're seriously asking THAT question then those muscles in your avatar are cutting off the circulation to your brain.

You illustrated a point about a player being in a bad spot for the first 4-5 years of his career and then exploding after a trade for the next 1.5 years but suggesting that he would do poorly on the Avs because we should be looking at his years in Calgary but not those in Florida.
I have no idea if Calgary was the problem for Sam Bennett or if he's just a shitty hockey player that was over drafted and frankly neither do you. His career numbers are pedestrian outside of a short stint in Florida. What is closing off the blood flow to your brain that is causing you to believe a 95 game sample size is more representative of a player than a 400 game sample size? Shiny new toy syndrome? HFAvs group think?

(As an aside I do find it endlessly funny how many of you like to distract from the main point of a topic by analyzing avatars and usernames. It almost comes across as a distraction from people grasping at straws...but maybe that's just me.)

@Richard88 stuck it back in your face with the Nuke example - which is fantastic because it's the same story and you're pretending not to understand. (Or not.. but IF you're not pretending then I'm going to assume that you wear a helmet from sun-up to sun-down, you know, just in case)
LOL, no he didn't, but I'm not surprised someone that immediately resorts to logical fallacies and ad hominems would think otherwise.

I believe the original premise of the discussion involved a hypothetical trade between Sam Girard and Sam Bennett. Valeri Nichuskin had zero to do with it and was only brought up as a red herring to try and justify and distract from the facts I pointed out above.

The transitive property doesn't apply to hockey players and just because Valeri Nichushkin was able to succeed in Denver after a slow start in Dallas doesn't mean every underachieving forward that comes to the Avs will produce at a high level. It's absolutely not the "same story" in any shape or form outside some superficial, cursory details. This isn't a difficult concept so I assume you're obfuscating further to score cheap points.

Trading established, cost controlled players for lottery tickets based on recency bias seems like a pretty poor way to run a hockey team. But what do I know, I just wear a helmet all day?
 
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I simply applied your logic to another player to illustrate how flawed the logic was.
Gotcha, so Valeri Nichushkin's career arc should be uniformly applied to every underachieving forward, right? All NHL players are a fungible commodity after all.


To Avs: Colin White
To Florida: Sam Girard

Colin White is a former first round pick that is only 25 and can play center. He's only had one good season while generally being disappointing, but the Avs should take a chance on him anyway because it worked out with Valeri Nichushkin. Totally different players, but the exact "same story." It's just pure logic.
 
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I have no idea if Calgary was the problem for Sam Bennett or if he's just a shitty hockey player that was over drafted and frankly neither do you. His career numbers are pedestrian outside of a short stint in Florida. What is closing off the blood flow to your brain that is causing you to believe a 95 game sample size is more representative of a player than a 400 game sample size? Shiny new toy syndrome? HFAvs group think?

(As an aside I do find it endlessly funny how many of you like to distract from the main point of a topic by analyzing avatars and usernames. It almost comes across as a distraction from people grasping at straws...but maybe that's just me.)


LOL, no he didn't, but I'm not surprised someone that immediately resorts to logical fallacies and ad hominems would think otherwise.

I believe the original premise of the discussion involved a hypothetical trade between Sam Girard and Sam Bennett. Valeri Nichuskin had zero to do with it and was only brought up as a red herring to try and justify and distract from the facts I pointed out above.

The transitive property doesn't apply to hockey players and just because Valeri Nichushkin was able to succeed in Denver after a slow start in Dallas doesn't mean every underachieving forward that comes to the Avs will produce at a high level. It's absolutely not the "same story" in any shape or form outside some superficial, cursory details. This isn't a difficult concept so I assume you're obfuscating further to score cheap points.

Trading established, cost controlled players for lottery tickets based on recency bias seems like a pretty poor way to run a hockey team. But what do I know, I just wear a helmet all day?
Today I learned that Sam Bennett is a lottery ticket :DD
 
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I'm just disappointed you haven't given me any feedback on my trade proposal. If you look at their histories both Colin White and Val Nichushkin have had the exact same career path. The Avs would be idiots not to send Girard to Florida and fix their #2C position for good.
 
Remembering the season long bitch about the last time the Avalanche were forced to make a trade and sent out Timmins and a 1st.

Give it till the deadline.
 
Wonder why Tyler Motte hasn't signed anywhere yet. Maybe he's just asking for too much money and/or term.

 
If they don’t get the 2C position solved this season it’s a straight up failure. Mack’s last year on a steal of a deal and you have a cup winning team in its prime. If the position isn’t filled internally they need to pay up to fill that hole.
I think we can all agree on this. I still remain confident that this can actually be replaced internally, which would enable us to go after a winger which would cost less. I just don't think that with the type of wingers we have, the C position is not that important. Just have to have a guy who's good at taking draws. The most important thing is having a top-6 point producing player. We need Newhook to step up one way or another.

This is obviously speaking hypothetically that we have no injuries in the backend and our goaltending doesn't implode, @Pierce Hawthorne we all know already has us going after a goalie before Christmas...
 
Dater providing some insight on Mackinnon:

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I think he needs some insight on his mental condition
I think we will get a deal done before the season. When the camp opens and MacKinnon and MacFarland (and Sakic) actually get to meet face to face instead of just talking through his agent, things will probably proceed.
 
The 2C position still doesn’t concern me.

Had last trade deadline not occurred, I’d definitely be nervous, because up until that point, the Avs never made big moves in season.

But last year, they made moves for important players, paid hefty prices for them too.

So I’m confident that if there’s a deal to be made, the Avs will make it. Whether that’s a C, a wing or whatever else the Avs need.
 
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