Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency (Mod Warning in OP)

[myperbixhurts]

Add me to the list of people who's glad Stastny went else where

 

[Ararana]

I still remember Roy's reaction when he was asked about Stastny leaving to a division rival. It really sounded like they were led to believe something and Stastny did something else...so they lost him for nothing.

Sakic isn't Roy but if Roy was indeed fooled by Stastny's camp then so was Sakic.

Stastny has been rumored to come back like 3 times since he left, him signing elsewhere for 1 year 1.5M means that we simply don't want him back.

You find me someone Roy didn't hate at one point or another

But yeah the ship has probably long sailed on him. The had to be the last nail in that coffin.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Add me to the list of people who's glad Stastny went else where

While there are still some Avs fans that seem to want to bring Stastny back, I think he's made it abundantly clear he has no interest coming back. Get the feeling he and his dad are still mad they traded away Stewart.

 

[ABasin]

Anyone who thinks that Avs are in a better spot now than they were last year is out to lunch.

We will regress without a real 2C and goaltender is a ? At this point. Unless MacK and Makar just backpack us we probably won't win the Division.

St Louis and Minnesota could easily finish higher than us at this point. Especially if 8 or 29 misses any time.

I don't think playoffs will be too big an issue, making a deep run is going to a challenge.

Think about the years we didn't have Kadri as the 2C option, and that's about where we are. We'll be solid, but come playoffs the lack of a 2C will expose us.

I think one aspect of the Avs "regression" that people aren't taking into account, is how dominant last year's team was in the playoffs.

The Avs won the Cup while playing only 20 playoff games. In the past 25 years (since Detroit's 1997 win), only one other team has won the Cup in that few games played (2012 LA Kings). And the Avs did it with fairly mediocre goaltending.

Yes, the team probably won't be quite as good as last year's version. But it'll still be a damn good team. The fear porn being thrown around here is a bit much, IMO.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Stastny at $1.5M was an absolutely perfect fit for us. That's frustrating we didn't get him.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

For everybody saying Rodrigues is Compher 2.0, would you not sign Compher if he was available right now as a UFA given our centre depth?

Unless there’s some type of other move in the works I’d be all over a high end 3C like Rodrigues. I think he’s better than Compher anyway but even if he wasn’t I’d have no issue adding another depth piece to the middle of the ice.

Reminds me of the year we added the kid line to the team. Rather than UFAs, the Avs relied on aging Soderberg, recent NCAA signing Kerfoot, recent draftee Jost and recent trade acquisition JTC to see if they could amount to a 2nd line / 2C tandem.

This year the Avs are just giving Newhook, JTC and Meyers the chance to win it or they'll slot back Rants if they have to. Would prefer the reinforcements as well, 2C was an issue back in 17-18 taking that stance and didn't get solved until Kadri was traded for.

 

[The Abusement Park]

For everybody saying Rodrigues is Compher 2.0, would you not sign Compher if he was available right now as a UFA given our centre depth?

Unless there’s some type of other move in the works I’d be all over a high end 3C like Rodrigues. I think he’s better than Compher anyway but even if he wasn’t I’d have no issue adding another depth piece to the middle of the ice.

I mean not to fill a 2nd line role I wouldn’t.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I mean not to fill a 2nd line role I wouldn’t.

No, but we kind of need another middle 6 forward regardless.


Right now if JTC is the 2C... Our 3rd line is what?


Newhook - Meyers - LOC?

That's not good enough either. Adding someone like Rodridgues solidifies the 3rd line at least while you give JTC a run at the 2C spot and see how that works out with presumably Mikko and Lehky as his wingers. Or you give Rodrigues the 2C spot and JTC solidifies the 3rd line.

But right now we have LOC starting on the 3rd line, either way we need another Top 9 forward.


Hell I dont even know if Meyers is actually a lock to start on the 3rd line either. He might be the 4C to start off instead.

 

[Ararana]

Stastny at $1.5M was an absolutely perfect fit for us. That's frustrating we didn't get him.

At 1 year too. Makes me think something else is up.

 

[chet1926]

Our day 1 roster is worse this year without Kadri for sure. I think there will be some things that can help with the regression tho. How much does Newhook improve? Do we get playoff Bo for 60+ games? Do we finally get a decent season in terms of health.

Being slightly more healthy this season would go a long way. Landy played 50ish games, Bo 30. G, Mackinnon, Toews, Kadri, Nuke all missed a good chunk of games. We had JJ in net for almost 10 games. Frankie went 15-5-1 so it’s not like we weren’t winning with him. If George can play to that level with our defense it'll be fine.

I think we’ll need to pickup a 2C for the playoffs but I think we’ll be fine in the regular season.

Newhook improving is almost a must at this point. But based on his play late on the playoffs we could be screwed. He was barely a 4th liner.

I'm hoping he is working hard this off-season and not drinking himself stupid, because we need drastic improvement from him.

 

[ABasin]

No, but we kind of need another middle 6 forward regardless.


Right now if JTC is the 2C... Our 3rd line is what?


Newhook - Meyers - LOC?

That's not good enough either. Adding someone like Rodridgues solidifies the 3rd line at least while you give JTC a run at the 2C spot and see how that works out with presumably Mikko and Lehky as his wingers. Or you give Rodrigues the 2C spot and JTC solidifies the 3rd line.

But right now we have LOC starting on the 3rd line, either way we need another Top 9 forward.


Hell I dont even know if Meyers is actually a lock to start on the 3rd line either. He might be the 4C to start off instead.

Yeah, seems that quite a lot is hanging on Newhook and Meyers playing some pretty solid hockey.

I'm not sure who brought it up a couple of weeks ago (Henchman maybe?), but perhaps the Avs are saving that $3M that's left for potential bonuses, so they get every penny of the cap next season when they have to sign MacKinnon/Newhook/Byram.

Plus, by this year's deadline, they should have a better idea what those bonus payouts might be, no? Then they address the 2C then.

I have a feeling the roster as currently listed, is the roster they're going with.

 

[The Pwnerer]

Guess we're going into the season with 3.7 million in cap space. Not the worst thing in the world.

 

[Cypher]

So if 1.25m for Stanley Cup Champions Helm and Cogs is an overpay, what is 1.5 m for Stastny considered?

 

[AvsFan29]

Once again fans just making stuff up in their heads that never actually happened. And this is coming from someone who isn't really a Stazz fan anymore.

Yes, I made it up. It's a prediction

 

[redacted]

For everybody saying Rodrigues is Compher 2.0, would you not sign Compher if he was available right now as a UFA given our centre depth?

Unless there’s some type of other move in the works I’d be all over a high end 3C like Rodrigues. I think he’s better than Compher anyway but even if he wasn’t I’d have no issue adding another depth piece to the middle of the ice.

Rodrigues isn't a center... I really don't know how people can really think he is. He's spent some time there, but the vast majority of his time is on the wing. His second most common linemate last year was Crosby... Crosby certainly isn't on the wing.

So if 1.25m for Stanley Cup Champions Helm and Cogs is an overpay, what is 1.5 m for Stastny considered?

$1m bargain.

 

[Balthazar]

Is there any place where we can see what are the performance bonuses attached to Byram's contract?

All we can see on capfriendly is that he can make up to 2.5M...but some of that is probably for winning the Norris and other shit that we know won't happen.

The Avs can't afford a penalty for this year's performance bonuses on next year's cap, that's for sure.

 

[Vaslof]

Mack is justified in asking for whatever he wants and taking as long as he wants to sign a contract. Whether that’s here or elsewhere.

And if everyone was like that, we wouldn't have won the cup.

 

[AvsWraith]

Anyone who thinks that Avs are in a better spot now than they were last year is out to lunch.

This. Losing Nazzy is going to hurt bad. I guarantee the people that are okay with JTC slotting in at 2C are gonna be raging in the GDTs. We also may not win a faceoff this season since Nazzy was our key faceoff guy.

 

[Balthazar]

Look at that sweet deadline cap space.

Another reason not to spend it now is we don't know what will happen yet. What if Georgiev sucks or he has a season ending injury? We'd need a goalie at the deadline...

Also the money that isn't spent can be used for performance bonuses.

 

[The Kingslayer]

While there are still some Avs fans that seem to want to bring Stastny back, I think he's made it abundantly clear he has no interest coming back. Get the feeling he and his dad are still mad they traded away Stewart.

Messed up the Synergies

 

[nammerus]

Yeah, seems that quite a lot is hanging on Newhook and Meyers playing some pretty solid hockey.

I'm not sure who brought it up a couple of weeks ago (Henchman maybe?), but perhaps the Avs are saving that $3M that's left for potential bonuses, so they get every penny of the cap next season when they have to sign MacKinnon/Newhook/Byram.

Plus, by this year's deadline, they should have a better idea what those bonus payouts might be, no? Then they address the 2C then.

I have a feeling the roster as currently listed, is the roster they're going with.

They still need 1-2 more top 9 forwards considering:

1) Newhook is likely the person going the other way in any trade for a 2C

2) We have Meyers pencilled in as a top 9 forward when there’s no evidence he can play there.

3) If we assume Meyers isn’t a slam dunk to 9 forward, we actually have 7 on our team.

The D and top 5 forwards are going to have to carry this team. The forward depth is shit.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Guess we're going into the season with 3.7 million in cap space. Not the worst thing in the world.

Yah its all good and well until you get curb stomped by teams with 2C because you dont got a 2C.

 

[Pokecheque]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a tad concerned about Newhook's development. The scoring talent is there, just remains to be seen how effective he is in other areas of the ice.

That said it's still early yet. I see a 20 goal winger at least, we'll see if there's more.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Girard and JTC for Kane and Toews (both 50% retained). f*** it.

Landeskog MacKinnon Rantanen
Nuke Toews Kane
Newhook Meyers Lehkonen
Cogliano Helm LOC

Toews Makar
Byram Manson
MacNorris Johnson

George

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Rodrigues isn't a center... I really don't know how people can really think he is. He's spent some time there, but the vast majority of his time is on the wing. His second most common linemate last year was Crosby... Crosby certainly isn't on the wing.


$1m bargain.

He’s capable of both and played plenty of centre last year. He took the 4th most faceoffs on the Pens and it’s not like he’s a winger who takes draws simply because he’s good at them. That type of versatility is exactly why I want him given our depth down the middle.

At this point I wouldn’t give him term or anything. But if we could nab him for a year at a cap hit that allows us to continue to bank deadline space I would be all over it.