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NHLPA needs to sign off on contracts?
Not sign off on it exactly, but...
Pretty sure the NHLPA would be pissed off. I'm not an expert or anything but across all sports taking an unrealistic discount is usually looked down at because it can affect the entire market. I don't think MacKinnon could sign for 7 mill even if he wanted too.

I'm guessing he signs for 10-11 mill which much like the Makar contract would be taking less than he could fight for.
Basically this. Guys are expected to sign for what they're worth, or more if teams go crazy. But especially one of the premiere players of the league, who helps establish the market for other guys.

He can take a discount for sure, and no doubt he's going to... But he'd get a lot of backlash/fallout from signing an extremely cheap contract that impacts the market. I dont think it would be an issue if he signed for like $9.2M as someone suggested earlier, although that's a pretty huge discount considering he could easily get $12+ on the open market.


But if he tried to sign for like $6.3M again for example... the NHLPA would almost certainly take issue with it.

And its easy enough to say Mack could basically say f*** the NHLPA and do what he wants, but that's just not realistic either. The NHLPA does a lot of things for all of its players in the background, and on top of that you just dont want to piss off the other 600+ guys in the NHLPA either, not the guys you play against for 82 games a year.



I think a deal in the neighborhood of what Barkov just signed for is perfectly reasonable though. 7/8 years and 10M would be a great ~25% discount for us and leaves some money on the table to keep the core together.
 
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If Makar signs for 9.2, I dont see a problem Mak signing for 9.5 or in that neighbourhood. He wont, and i think he comes in at least with 10-11 Mill...... Getting him for 10 would be amazing and a home-run.

But maybe someone should tell the NHLPA, that there is a flat cap for years now, And someone should tell some players and agents, that if they want to win it´s not a good idea to go for every penny out there and kill your teams´ cap.

And of course tell some GM to stop handing out the dumbest contracts. In what world is Darnell Nurse worth more money than Cale Makar..... That´s why Edmonton wont sniff near a cup even with McDavid and Draisaitl playing out of their mind.

Mac easily can demand McDavid money, but that means another guy (or guys) of their current run wont be coming back becuase there is no money left. I really can see Mac taking 10 or 11 and Sakic can bring back someone like Cogliano with that million extra. That´s how you build a contender. And it worked for us this time.

We wont be able to hold this team together. That´s the reality in a cap-era. When Byram is up for a new contract, one of Toews or Girard has to got. Or maybe both, who knows.

We can´t afford Kadri anymore. Lets be realistic. He will get his payday. I don´t see Burakovsky coming back either. Getting Nuke signed long term must be top priority. Maybe we should´ve done that last season.

We won it all, now it´s time for Sakic to shine again. Wont be easy, but winning the cup was it worth.....
 
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No offense to Servalli, but if he thinks we can’t afford Nuke there is no way we can afford Kadri. I don’t get his logic. Sure Nuke is younger, but Kadri is a high end 2C and a low end 1C on a lesser team.
Yeah. If there's a team that values analytical darlings like Nichushkin, it's the Avs. Im guessing the Avs threshold for him is likely higher than a lot of teams.
 

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Yeah. If there's a team that values analytical darlings like Nichushkin, it's the Avs. Im guessing the Avs threshold for him is likely higher than a lot of teams.
He seems to fly under the radar. I hope it's same case with GMs. Most of the lists "Hot UFA lists" he is listed behind Bura for example, which is ridiculous imo. Nuke is way more valuable player to a team than Bura, even if Bura scorss few points more.
 

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After hearing various comments about how MacKinnon takes advice from Sid and knowing how much he looks up to him, I'm starting to wonder if he takes a lot less than people think on his next deal.

Crosby's $8.7M contract was 14.5% of the cap when it was signed. That's the same as $12M today. Crosby didn't take as much of a discount as people say.
 

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I fully agree with this plan. Offer him long term...either it becomes an awesome deal down the road or worst case scenario is LTIR. Also Byram is sure to make his money no matter what.

Win-win.



I've been thinking the Avs should do this for a while now. Byram gets guaranteed money despite the concussions, and the Avs get a bit of a discount on a kid who could easily become another 1D for them.

But Byram is a confident cocky kid. If I had to bet on any Avs player betting on themselves, it'd be Byram. 5.5 might not get it done on a long term deal in a league that makes stupid stupid decisions for defensemen.
 
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I've been thinking the Avs should do this for a while now. Byram gets guaranteed money despite the concussions, and the Avs get a bit of a discount on a kid who could easily become another 1D for them.

But Byram is a confident cocky kid. If I had to bet on any Avs player betting on themselves, it'd be Byram. 5.5 might not get it done on a long term deal in a league that makes stupid stupid decisions for defensemen.
If he continues to build off of these playoffs and has a breakout season.. Yeah I can't see him accepting a long term contract in the 5s.
 

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If he continues to build off of these playoffs and has a breakout season.. Yeah I can't see him accepting a long term contract in the 5s.

Well the idea we're talking about is to extend him this summer, which he's now eligible for going into his last ELC year, before he has a chance to have an even more breakout season.

The question is will Byram even consider it. If I was him, I probably wouldn't. But the concussions might make him reconsider and get some guaranteed money locked down.
 
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My opinion on our UFAs...

1. Valeri Nichushkin - 62GP-25G-27A-52P - 27 y/o

Everybody agrees; the #1 priority of our UFAs. We've heard conflicting reports. You have Seravalli saying his playoff performance has priced himself out of Colorado. You have Friedman saying Nuke loves it in Denver, doesn't forget his hard times before joining our organization, and would like to return. Does a player like this justify a max term(8 year) contract from us? That's the question. Make no bones about it; teams will offer him 7 years, knowing there's not much tread on these tires and you're getting a proven catalyst(aka makes your players better) in the prime of his career. The Avs should look for a 5-6 year deal for Nuke, solidifying him in that second tier of contracts; your Johnsons at $6m, etc. If I was a betting man, I'd say he returns.

2. Nazem Kadri - 71GP-28G-59A-87P - 31 y/o

In my opinion, the most obvious player who is leaving. The Avs might try to make him a 2-3 year offer, but we probably don't even waste our time. Career year in points. Will be 32 when the season starts. Looking for the biggest payday of his career after a team-friendly $4.5m AAV for the past 6 years. Can get a 1C spot on a bad team looking to improve. Gone.

3. Andre Burakovsky - 80GP-22G-39A-61P - 27 y/o

I think he's a goner. He's an example of a player we had the luxury of having on our roster over the last couple of years as we've had the smaller contracts. With people getting paid now and over the next couple of years, I just don't see a future for Bura here. The team also proved they can win with him out of the lineup and a player like Lehkonen, though not as offensively dynamic, ultimately provides more to the team top to bottom in a secondary role. His money goes to Lehkonen on a new deal, pretty straight forward to me. Bura will be another guy that gets a sweet deal somewhere; career year across the board in every statistical category and just won his second Cup. Good age. Will get something silly from another team.

4. Darcy Kuemper - 57GP-37W-2.54GAA-.921sv%

Look, everybody knows I'm not a fan. I think we won in spite of him. The playoff numbers in particular, with a .902sv%, repeatedly allowing weak goals, and not getting timely saves cemented him as an average goaltender to me. In fact, he was the second worst goalie that faced a shot in the entire NHL playoffs if we just go by the numbers. Anyhow, I think the Avs try to bring him back again just like Grubauer. We will try to pay him in that same range, staying under $6m. We gave up a lot for him just a year ago, won the Cup, and I could see Joe trying to get some more return on his investment. Personally, I would just let him walk. We will have a weaker roster next year, it's the reality of winning a Cup and having 10 unrestricted free agents. I would pony up and trade for Gibson, giving our core the best chance to repeat as champions. I think Sakic will try to keep Kuemper and it's a 50/50 if he walks for a better deal at the last minute ala Gruby or if he sticks around.

5. Josh Manson - 67GP-6G-10A-16P - 30 y/o

Love him, think he fit us like a glove, would like to keep him, but I also believe he walks. A return to Anaheim is possible or anywhere that is going to pay him like a top 4 D, which we simply CANNOT afford to do. That's the reality. Makar, Girard, EJ and Toews getting "big" money already and we don't have the capacity to pay him with Bo coming up soon, too. This is an interesting one, because if EJ decided to play ball for the last year of his deal and go hide somewhere with a skin infection, we can bring Manson back. I still think it's a luxury. A trade of Girard makes this a bit easier, but I expect Manson to get paid. Could easily see a $30m/5y deal from somebody. I think he's gone.

6. Darren Helm - 68GP-7G-8A-15P - 35 y/o

Bring him back on another 1 year deal. Great to have on the 4th line, still has legs under him.

7. Andrew Cogliano - 74GP-4G-12A-16P - 35 y/o

Team hasn't told him anything about coming back, he wouldn't expect to hear about that now anyways. Would love to come back, wants to play another 2 seasons. Optimistic about getting a 2 year deal from somebody but would come back to Denver on a 1 year deal. I'm biased, but would obviously keep him for another year. Glue player, great wheels to fit our style, no issue with a Helm-Cogs-LOC 4th line.

8. Jack Johnson - 74GP-1G-8A-9P - 35 y/o

I don't think anybody expected him to be as serviceable as he was. I expected a lot more mistakes, but he showed that the issue was always overplaying him. In a limited role, he has tools to provide value. If he wants league min at $750k again, I'm more than happy with JMFJ back in a 7th D role.

9. Nico Sturm - 74GP-9G-11A-20P - 27 y/o

Thank you for your services, best of luck elsewhere. His playstyle never fit our team, always looked like an odd duckling out there. Gave me vibes of when Soda returned and looked slow, disengaged and a total opposite fit to what we've built. Definitely walking, would be shocked if we bring him back. With size, a 20 point season, playoff exposure, and a good age, somebody will give him 3rd line money and regret it in a few months. Weird player.

10. Ryan Murray - 37GP-0G-4A-4P - 28 y/o

What a disappointment. Oft-injured, as we knew he would be, but completely ineffective when he actually did play. We knew there wasn't much offense there, but he struggled to pass or make any quick decisions to support our fast transition style. A bad fit here. Nice dude, wish him well elsewhere and really hope he can revitalize his career a bit. Gone.
 

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Well the idea we're talking about is to extend him this summer, which he's now eligible for going into his last ELC year, before he has a chance to have an even more breakout season.

The question is will Byram even consider it. If I was him, I probably wouldn't. But the concussions might make him reconsider and getting some guaranteed money locked down.
No yeah I get what you're saying, I feel the same way. But I think his cockiness will be like "Why would I sign now? I just had an amazing playoffs, come back to me in 12 months".

Maybe if he had continued to struggle with concussions he'd take a shorter term low AAV contract, but if he stays healthy I think we're in for a bigger Bo extension. Not mega money but a lot.
8. Jack Johnson - 74GP-1G-8A-9P - 35 y/o

I don't think anybody expected him to be as serviceable as he was. I expected a lot more mistakes, but he showed that the issue was always overplaying him. In a limited role, he has tools to provide value. If he wants league min at $750k again, I'm more than happy with JMFJ back in a 7th D role.

I'd be fine with JJ back too. However after the whole fiasco with his parents robbing him, I'd also love to see someone out there who loves grizzled vets give him a fat, overpaid contract. Philly 3 x 3.5M
 
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Seravalli says Manson more than likely going back to Anaheim (his wife is from there and they like it there and it was the plan from the start). So that sucks.

He thinks that we re-up Kadri and let Kuemper walk. Also says Nuke priced himself out of Colorado so he's not coming back either.
Boo this man!

I like the Gourde idea. Let’s do that somehow.
 

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If Sakic is gonna trade for Gibson, when is the best time to do that?

Given what transpired last year with Sakic being left with only one expensive option after Plan A (Grubauer) and Plan B (Andersen) signed elsewhere it would probably be prudent to make a Gibson trade before UFA, maybe even before or at the draft.

Getting a Gibson trade done before the draft or UFA might also give you the opportunity to pick up an extra pick for Kuemper's UFA rights. Maybe Edmonton would pay a mid-round pick for example.

Waiting until after UFA would also be a bit risky as it could potentially create another bidding war scenario where another team (like Edmonton last year with Kuemper) get desperate for a goalie as well and push the price up once the UFA market has dried up.

Waiting until after UFA allows you to have more cost-certainty when it comes to other parts of the roster though. For example, if it turns out that Kadri is willing to come back on a reasonable short-term deal do you want to already be tied into $6m+ in net if a cheaper option might be available in UFA that allows you to re-sign Kadri, Manson, Nichuskin, etc?
 

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My opinion on our UFAs...

1. Valeri Nichushkin - 62GP-25G-27A-52P - 27 y/o

Everybody agrees; the #1 priority of our UFAs. We've heard conflicting reports. You have Seravalli saying his playoff performance has priced himself out of Colorado. You have Friedman saying Nuke loves it in Denver, doesn't forget his hard times before joining our organization, and would like to return. Does a player like this justify a max term(8 year) contract from us? That's the question. Make no bones about it; teams will offer him 7 years, knowing there's not much tread on these tires and you're getting a proven catalyst(aka makes your players better) in the prime of his career. The Avs should look for a 5-6 year deal for Nuke, solidifying him in that second tier of contracts; your Johnsons at $6m, etc. If I was a betting man, I'd say he returns.

2. Nazem Kadri - 71GP-28G-59A-87P - 31 y/o

In my opinion, the most obvious player who is leaving. The Avs might try to make him a 2-3 year offer, but we probably don't even waste our time. Career year in points. Will be 32 when the season starts. Looking for the biggest payday of his career after a team-friendly $4.5m AAV for the past 6 years. Can get a 1C spot on a bad team looking to improve. Gone.

3. Andre Burakovsky - 80GP-22G-39A-61P - 27 y/o

I think he's a goner. He's an example of a player we had the luxury of having on our roster over the last couple of years as we've had the smaller contracts. With people getting paid now and over the next couple of years, I just don't see a future for Bura here. The team also proved they can win with him out of the lineup and a player like Lehkonen, though not as offensively dynamic, ultimately provides more to the team top to bottom in a secondary role. His money goes to Lehkonen on a new deal, pretty straight forward to me. Bura will be another guy that gets a sweet deal somewhere; career year across the board in every statistical category and just won his second Cup. Good age. Will get something silly from another team.

4. Darcy Kuemper - 57GP-37W-2.54GAA-.921sv%

Look, everybody knows I'm not a fan. I think we won in spite of him. The playoff numbers in particular, with a .902sv%, repeatedly allowing weak goals, and not getting timely saves cemented him as an average goaltender to me. In fact, he was the second worst goalie that faced a shot in the entire NHL playoffs if we just go by the numbers. Anyhow, I think the Avs try to bring him back again just like Grubauer. We will try to pay him in that same range, staying under $6m. We gave up a lot for him just a year ago, won the Cup, and I could see Joe trying to get some more return on his investment. Personally, I would just let him walk. We will have a weaker roster next year, it's the reality of winning a Cup and having 10 unrestricted free agents. I would pony up and trade for Gibson, giving our core the best chance to repeat as champions. I think Sakic will try to keep Kuemper and it's a 50/50 if he walks for a better deal at the last minute ala Gruby or if he sticks around.

5. Josh Manson - 67GP-6G-10A-16P - 30 y/o

Love him, think he fit us like a glove, would like to keep him, but I also believe he walks. A return to Anaheim is possible or anywhere that is going to pay him like a top 4 D, which we simply CANNOT afford to do. That's the reality. Makar, Girard, EJ and Toews getting "big" money already and we don't have the capacity to pay him with Bo coming up soon, too. This is an interesting one, because if EJ decided to play ball for the last year of his deal and go hide somewhere with a skin infection, we can bring Manson back. I still think it's a luxury. A trade of Girard makes this a bit easier, but I expect Manson to get paid. Could easily see a $30m/5y deal from somebody. I think he's gone.

6. Darren Helm - 68GP-7G-8A-15P - 35 y/o

Bring him back on another 1 year deal. Great to have on the 4th line, still has legs under him.

7. Andrew Cogliano - 74GP-4G-12A-16P - 35 y/o

Team hasn't told him anything about coming back, he wouldn't expect to hear about that now anyways. Would love to come back, wants to play another 2 seasons. Optimistic about getting a 2 year deal from somebody but would come back to Denver on a 1 year deal. I'm biased, but would obviously keep him for another year. Glue player, great wheels to fit our style, no issue with a Helm-Cogs-LOC 4th line.

8. Jack Johnson - 74GP-1G-8A-9P - 35 y/o

I don't think anybody expected him to be as serviceable as he was. I expected a lot more mistakes, but he showed that the issue was always overplaying him. In a limited role, he has tools to provide value. If he wants league min at $750k again, I'm more than happy with JMFJ back in a 7th D role.

9. Nico Sturm - 74GP-9G-11A-20P - 27 y/o

Thank you for your services, best of luck elsewhere. His playstyle never fit our team, always looked like an odd duckling out there. Gave me vibes of when Soda returned and looked slow, disengaged and a total opposite fit to what we've built. Definitely walking, would be shocked if we bring him back. With size, a 20 point season, playoff exposure, and a good age, somebody will give him 3rd line money and regret it in a few months. Weird player.

10. Ryan Murray - 37GP-0G-4A-4P - 28 y/o

What a disappointment. Oft-injured, as we knew he would be, but completely ineffective when he actually did play. We knew there wasn't much offense there, but he struggled to pass or make any quick decisions to support our fast transition style. A bad fit here. Nice dude, wish him well elsewhere and really hope he can revitalize his career a bit. Gone.

Where/when did Cogliano say that he wants to play another two more years, or re-sign for one more year in Colorado? It would be great if Sakic can retain him, he was awesome in the playoffs.
 

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Where/when did Cogliano say that he wants to play another two more years, or re-sign for one more year in Colorado? It would be great if Sakic can retain him, he was awesome in the playoffs.
I think I read somewhere he played with Cogs back in the day.
 

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My opinion on our UFAs...

1. Valeri Nichushkin - 62GP-25G-27A-52P - 27 y/o

Everybody agrees; the #1 priority of our UFAs. We've heard conflicting reports. You have Seravalli saying his playoff performance has priced himself out of Colorado. You have Friedman saying Nuke loves it in Denver, doesn't forget his hard times before joining our organization, and would like to return. Does a player like this justify a max term(8 year) contract from us? That's the question. Make no bones about it; teams will offer him 7 years, knowing there's not much tread on these tires and you're getting a proven catalyst(aka makes your players better) in the prime of his career. The Avs should look for a 5-6 year deal for Nuke, solidifying him in that second tier of contracts; your Johnsons at $6m, etc. If I was a betting man, I'd say he returns.

2. Nazem Kadri - 71GP-28G-59A-87P - 31 y/o

In my opinion, the most obvious player who is leaving. The Avs might try to make him a 2-3 year offer, but we probably don't even waste our time. Career year in points. Will be 32 when the season starts. Looking for the biggest payday of his career after a team-friendly $4.5m AAV for the past 6 years. Can get a 1C spot on a bad team looking to improve. Gone.

3. Andre Burakovsky - 80GP-22G-39A-61P - 27 y/o

I think he's a goner. He's an example of a player we had the luxury of having on our roster over the last couple of years as we've had the smaller contracts. With people getting paid now and over the next couple of years, I just don't see a future for Bura here. The team also proved they can win with him out of the lineup and a player like Lehkonen, though not as offensively dynamic, ultimately provides more to the team top to bottom in a secondary role. His money goes to Lehkonen on a new deal, pretty straight forward to me. Bura will be another guy that gets a sweet deal somewhere; career year across the board in every statistical category and just won his second Cup. Good age. Will get something silly from another team.

4. Darcy Kuemper - 57GP-37W-2.54GAA-.921sv%

Look, everybody knows I'm not a fan. I think we won in spite of him. The playoff numbers in particular, with a .902sv%, repeatedly allowing weak goals, and not getting timely saves cemented him as an average goaltender to me. In fact, he was the second worst goalie that faced a shot in the entire NHL playoffs if we just go by the numbers. Anyhow, I think the Avs try to bring him back again just like Grubauer. We will try to pay him in that same range, staying under $6m. We gave up a lot for him just a year ago, won the Cup, and I could see Joe trying to get some more return on his investment. Personally, I would just let him walk. We will have a weaker roster next year, it's the reality of winning a Cup and having 10 unrestricted free agents. I would pony up and trade for Gibson, giving our core the best chance to repeat as champions. I think Sakic will try to keep Kuemper and it's a 50/50 if he walks for a better deal at the last minute ala Gruby or if he sticks around.

5. Josh Manson - 67GP-6G-10A-16P - 30 y/o

Love him, think he fit us like a glove, would like to keep him, but I also believe he walks. A return to Anaheim is possible or anywhere that is going to pay him like a top 4 D, which we simply CANNOT afford to do. That's the reality. Makar, Girard, EJ and Toews getting "big" money already and we don't have the capacity to pay him with Bo coming up soon, too. This is an interesting one, because if EJ decided to play ball for the last year of his deal and go hide somewhere with a skin infection, we can bring Manson back. I still think it's a luxury. A trade of Girard makes this a bit easier, but I expect Manson to get paid. Could easily see a $30m/5y deal from somebody. I think he's gone.

6. Darren Helm - 68GP-7G-8A-15P - 35 y/o

Bring him back on another 1 year deal. Great to have on the 4th line, still has legs under him.

7. Andrew Cogliano - 74GP-4G-12A-16P - 35 y/o

Team hasn't told him anything about coming back, he wouldn't expect to hear about that now anyways. Would love to come back, wants to play another 2 seasons. Optimistic about getting a 2 year deal from somebody but would come back to Denver on a 1 year deal. I'm biased, but would obviously keep him for another year. Glue player, great wheels to fit our style, no issue with a Helm-Cogs-LOC 4th line.

8. Jack Johnson - 74GP-1G-8A-9P - 35 y/o

I don't think anybody expected him to be as serviceable as he was. I expected a lot more mistakes, but he showed that the issue was always overplaying him. In a limited role, he has tools to provide value. If he wants league min at $750k again, I'm more than happy with JMFJ back in a 7th D role.

9. Nico Sturm - 74GP-9G-11A-20P - 27 y/o

Thank you for your services, best of luck elsewhere. His playstyle never fit our team, always looked like an odd duckling out there. Gave me vibes of when Soda returned and looked slow, disengaged and a total opposite fit to what we've built. Definitely walking, would be shocked if we bring him back. With size, a 20 point season, playoff exposure, and a good age, somebody will give him 3rd line money and regret it in a few months. Weird player.

10. Ryan Murray - 37GP-0G-4A-4P - 28 y/o

What a disappointment. Oft-injured, as we knew he would be, but completely ineffective when he actually did play. We knew there wasn't much offense there, but he struggled to pass or make any quick decisions to support our fast transition style. A bad fit here. Nice dude, wish him well elsewhere and really hope he can revitalize his career a bit. Gone.
If Helm and Cogliano both want to return, I'd take them both back in a heartbeat. We saw old man Helm clearly tanking it during the regular season because you can't play that grind it out style every single game. Saved his best for the playoffs and boy was he good, and he developed great chemistry with Cogliano.

It'd help to have those two guys return with O'Connor and have some semblance of continuity on the 4th line given all the turnover that will happen this summer elsewhere.
 

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I like the Gourde idea. Let’s do that somehow.
Seattle simply can't afford to lose Gourde. Look at their roster at center. Especially now that they need to shelter Beniers.
 
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