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Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

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AegonLeConqueror said:
I don't think Girard is a bum, and I don't think skill for skill that Manson is better. But I do believe Manson (or a player like Manson) is better for this team than Girard is. You can hate the argument that bigger, more physical defensemen are more important in the playoffs, but it's hard to ignore Manson's contribution during the latter half of this playoff run when Girard was out.

No, Manson wasn't suddenly the reason we won and he wasn't a #1 or #2 defenseman, he probably wasn't even a #3 (Cale, Toews, Bo in that order probably) but I would say he was #4 and I think I trust his game more as a #4 than Girard. Plus I don't think Girard makes the save against St. Louis because he doesn't play on the PK (and the shot woulda sailed over his head if he bent down to try and block it /s).

Also take whatever I say with a grain of salt - I've developed a Manson man-crush after this championship run.

And Manson can do this:
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I like Manson.
 
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Can´t see Manson staying in Denver. I think Josh really wants to go back to Anaheim. He now has his ring and i think he values his family and settlement more at this point.
 
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Girard is an interesting case. IMO, he has a little value for a cup contender because of how he played before - maybe he will add some muscles in the future and tune his own game better. However he has a great value for a team which wants to make playoffs - they can ask him to play 25 minutes a night in regular season in every situation and he will not disappoint. He is your responsible regular season #2D on an average team and this is how Avs shall shop him around if they want to.
 
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Y’all are really underrating Girard. He’s a superb puck moving defenseman who isn’t a defensive liability and a good distributor. All on an amazing contract. Because we have Makar, Toews, Byram, and Behrens on the way we really underestimate Girard’s value.
 
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Kaizer said:
Girard is an interesting case. IMO, he has a little value for a cup contender because of how he played before - maybe he will add some muscles in the future and tune his own game better. However he has a great value for a team which wants to make playoffs - they can ask him to play 25 minutes a night in regular season in every situation and he will not disappoint. He is your responsible regular season #2D on an average team and this is how Avs shall shop him around if they want to.
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Girard is the perfect #2 for a team with a big two-way 1RHD or a top 4 shutdown RHD.

Carolina (Pesce or Skjei at RD)
Chicago (Seth Jones, or Murphy)
Calgary (Tanev, was good with Quinn H)
Detroit (Seider)
Florida (Ekblad or Weegar)
LA (Doughty or Roy)
Montreal (Petry* or Savard)
NYI (Dobson or Pelech)
Seattle (Larsson)
Vegas (Pietrangelo)
 
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Richard88 said:
Girard is the perfect #2 for a team with a big two-way 1RHD or a top 4 shutdown RHD.

Carolina (Pesce or Skjei at RD)
Chicago (Seth Jones, or Murphy)
Calgary (Tanev, was good with Quinn H)
Detroit (Seider)
Florida (Ekblad or Weegar)
LA (Doughty or Roy)
Montreal (Petry* or Savard)
NYI (Dobson or Pelech)
Seattle (Larsson)
Vegas (Pietrangelo)
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Good list. Don’t want Girard in Calgary and Vegas. He makes them much better teams in my opinion, but Girard in Florida or Seattle looks OK.

Girard for Bennett or Gourde E5 ?
 
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Kaizer said:
Good list. Don’t want Girard in Calgary and Vegas. He makes them much better teams in my opinion, but Girard in Florida or Seattle looks OK.

Girard for Bennett or Gourde E5 ?
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I think Sakic will hold on to Girard, and instead look to fill the 2C hole through UFA (Copp/Trocheck) or using futures in a trade, even if it means waiting until mid-season/TDL for 2C trade options to open up. Sakic is patient and probably wouldn't have an issue with waiting a bit to get the right guy, and in the meantime ride it out with some combination of Newhook/Compher/Meyers/Rantanen as 2C/3C.

Then at the TDL also add a rental bottom 4 RHD (eg. Zub/Mayfield/Schenn), if he hasn't added one already in UFA, capspace allowing (eg. DeHaan, Colin Miller, Braun, Kulak).

Landeskog ------- MacKinnon ------ Nichuskin*
Lehkonen -- UFA/1st+prospects - Rantanen
Newhook ---------- Compher ---------- NAK*
Cogliano ------------ Meyers ------------ O'Connor
(Sedlak, MacDermid)

Toews - Makar
Byram - EJ
Girard - TDL/UFA
(JJ*)

Kuemper*
Francouz
 
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Andrew Wiggin said:
I know he's not quite the prize Kane is but if we need a center wouldn't Toews at 50% make more sense? Toews should cost less which means we could try to swing for Dach or Murphy with some adds on our side.
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Kane can drive his own line from the wing so he'd be a better option than Toews even though the latter is a center. Toews at $5.25m is still negative value and the Avs shouldn't touch that. Maybe you consider him at the TDL as a bottom 6 C add if he's double-retained and Toews has had a good season, but otherwise nah.

Btw my Girard/Kane suggestion was just for fun, I don't think there's any realm in which that trade happens.
 
Richard88 said:
Kane can drive his own line from the wing so he'd be a better option than Toews even though the latter is a center. Toews at $5.25m is still negative value and the Avs shouldn't touch that. Maybe you consider him at the TDL as a bottom 6 C add if he's double-retained and Toews has had a good season, but otherwise nah.

Btw my Girard/Kane suggestion was just for fun, I don't think there's any realm in which that trade happens.
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I used to mostly cringe at the thought of bringing in high profile players from other teams who had won a cup(s). Because then the narrative would have been this guy had to show the Avs how to win. It's nice that this no longer an issue.
 
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Richard88 said:
Girard for Patrick Kane at 50% (with adds on either side to balance value)... Who says no?
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Richard88 said:
Kane can drive his own line from the wing so he'd be a better option than Toews even though the latter is a center. Toews at $5.25m is still negative value and the Avs shouldn't touch that. Maybe you consider him at the TDL as a bottom 6 C add if he's double-retained and Toews has had a good season, but otherwise nah.

Btw my Girard/Kane suggestion was just for fun, I don't think there's any realm in which that trade happens.
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Oh gotcha, well they were rumored to be contemplating trading Kane so not completely outside the realm of possibilities but I get your point. I don't think Toews is worth a ton even at 50% but you think he'd be a net negative asset? You don't think he could center the second line?
 
Interesting metrics for Colin White... possession exits, play driving, and recoveries - all things the Avs value highly.

Maybe he doesn't have the skating but he'd still probably be an notable upgrade on NAK at 3RW (on a cheap prove-it deal)

 
Richard88 said:
I think Sakic will hold on to Girard, and instead look to fill the 2C hole through UFA (Copp/Trocheck) or using futures in a trade, even if it means waiting until mid-season/TDL for 2C trade options to open up. Sakic is patient and probably wouldn't have an issue with waiting a bit to get the right guy, and in the meantime ride it out with some combination of Newhook/Compher/Meyers/Rantanen as 2C/3C.

Then at the TDL also add a rental bottom 4 RHD (eg. Zub/Mayfield/Schenn), if he hasn't added one already in UFA, capspace allowing (eg. DeHaan, Colin Miller, Braun, Kulak).

Landeskog ------- MacKinnon ------ Nichuskin*
Lehkonen -- UFA/1st+prospects - Rantanen
Newhook ---------- Compher ---------- NAK*
Cogliano ------------ Meyers ------------ O'Connor
(Sedlak, MacDermid)

Toews - Makar
Byram - EJ
Girard - TDL/UFA
(JJ*)

Kuemper*
Francouz
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I may be wrong on this (won't be the first time) but I really don't like the idea of waiting until mid-season to fill such a big hole as #2C. I think this summer is the time to fill big holes like that when everyone is even at 0pts. At mid-season or heading towards the TDL, I think the prices are going to be out of whack for the Avs specifically because teams will know how desperate we are to try and repeat.

For a #4 RHD, I don't mind your strategy but I think we need enough depth so that even if you strike out at the TDL, you're still good going into the playoffs.

Just like the additions of Helm and Cogs ended up being great value, we are going to need the equivalent on D because I'm not sure who we are calling up in case of injuries??? Roland McKeown?

Speaking of Helm, if I'm Sakic I'm asking him if he's interested in coming back for 3/4th of a season and a playoff run. Tell him you'll give him the same deal as last year but he doesn't have to come to training camp and that the Avs will sign him on October 31st. [cap savings - no waivers]

He can play every other game until the end of the season and another playoff run... (If that's something he'd be interested in doing)
 
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