Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[Richard88]

Oh gotcha, well they were rumored to be contemplating trading Kane so not completely outside the realm of possibilities but I get your point. I don't think Toews is worth a ton even at 50% but you think he'd be a net negative asset? You don't think he could center the second line?

Maybe negative asset was a bit strong, but I meant that more from the Avs perspective as there are much better ways for Colorado to spend $5.25m than on Toews. He might work at 3C but at 2C you're just asking for problems because of his age/lack of speed/injuries.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Maybe negative asset was a bit strong, but I meant that more from the Avs perspective as there are much better ways for Colorado to spend $5.25m than on Toews. He might work at 3C but at 2C you're just asking for problems because of his age/lack of speed/injuries.

Entirely fair, I guess for me even if he doesn't have the speed his other attributes would still make him productive in a second line role. Might be a moot point as both him and Kane have NMC.

 

[Richard88]

I may be wrong on this (won't be the first time) but I really don't like the idea of waiting until mid-season to fill such a big hole as #2C. I think this summer is the time to fill big holes like that when everyone is even at 0pts. At mid-season or heading towards the TDL, I think the prices are going to be out of whack for the Avs specifically because teams will know how desperate we are to try and repeat.

For a #4 RHD, I don't mind your strategy but I think we need enough depth so that even if you strike out at the TDL, you're still good going into the playoffs.

Just like the additions of Helm and Cogs ended up being great value, we are going to need the equivalent on D because I'm not sure who we are calling up in case of injuries??? Roland McKeown?

Speaking of Helm, if I'm Sakic I'm asking him if he's interested in coming back for 3/4th of a season and a playoff run. Tell him you'll give him the same deal as last year but he doesn't have to come to training camp and that the Avs will sign him on October 31st. [cap savings - no waivers]

He can play every other game until the end of the season and another playoff run... (If that's something he'd be interested in doing)

I agree with your approach. Ideally (and most likely) the 2C spot will get filled in the summer. My point was simply that if no good option presents itself then Sakic could still choose to wait, in what would effectively be a reverse of the Duchene situation (though in saying that perhaps that trade is a good reason to not wait as it didn't work out for either Nashville or Ottawa).

On D hopefully there's enough capspace for an addition like DeHaan, who could be next season's Ryan Murray. Then you have a great top 6 for the regular season but still have the option (but not outright necessity to add a RHS at the TDL). Either way it'll depend on capspace and an opportunity presenting itself for a cheap one year deal.

Nice idea with Helm, but doesn't signing late mean that his $1m salary would be pro-rated so he'd only receive like 85% of it (or whatever proportion it would be when not playing the first month of the season). Also, players use preseason and preseason games to ramp up, I'm not sure he'd actually want to start a season completely out of phase with the rest of the team (at least I wouldn't).

 

[John Mandalorian]

Entirely fair, I guess for me even if he doesn't have the speed his other attributes would still make him productive in a second line role. Might be a moot point as both him and Kane have NMC.

JT has kind of turned into a diva and it's probably also fair to question how much drive he has at this point.

 

[Richard88]

 

[Grigowski]

It's not about the money?

If (!!) he really wants back to Anaheim, dont think so.... But who knows...

 

[Richard88]

 

[Grigowski]

Dont want Jonathan Toews near this team and franchise.

Washed up, no drive and his role in the Kyle Beach situation.. Thank you, but no.

 

[Richard88]

 

[Kaizer]

I would love if Oilers offer Giroux a fat contract. The more top aging talent they acquire the less depth and more Mike Smith they will have.

 

[Avaholic29]

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Offer him 5mx8 years. Joe probably wouldn’t but nukes worth it.

 

[Nihiliste]

Im no Girard stan but where did this hes "Always injured in the playoffs" talk come from? before this year he only got injured in the San Jose series didnt he? Was he injured in the bubble and last yr and I totally missed it? I mean he was bad against the Knights but so was the entire team minus Saad.

Bennett got him with a fairly routine hit too in the Calgary series

 

[UncleRisto]

Awfully kind to say that "he has a personality".

 

[Bender]

I agree with your approach. Ideally (and most likely) the 2C spot will get filled in the summer. My point was simply that if no good option presents itself then Sakic could still choose to wait, in what would effectively be a reverse of the Duchene situation (though in saying that perhaps that trade is a good reason to not wait as it didn't work out for either Nashville or Ottawa).

On D hopefully there's enough capspace for an addition like DeHaan, who could be next season's Ryan Murray. Then you have a great top 6 for the regular season but still have the option (but not outright necessity to add a RHS at the TDL). Either way it'll depend on capspace and an opportunity presenting itself for a cheap one year deal.

Nice idea with Helm, but doesn't signing late mean that his $1m salary would be pro-rated so he'd only receive like 85% of it (or whatever proportion it would be when not playing the first month of the season). Also, players use preseason and preseason games to ramp up, I'm not sure he'd actually want to start a season completely out of phase with the rest of the team (at least I wouldn't).

Yeah my thinking with Helm is that I feel like he's potentially considering calling it a career and might not have the desire to go through a whole other training camp and such. If that's wrong and he actually wants to keep going, then fine... the idea was to give him a break and 'extended vacation' with the family, knowing that he'd still have a job in November and he can take his time getting himself into game shape.

He's at his most valuable in the post-season anyways, so lots of time to get him ready. As I said, don't know if that's something he'd be interested in. It's kind of like the old Glenn Anderson/Esa Tikkanen trick that the Rangers used to do to sign these guys in February for their runs in the late 80s/early 90s IIRC. I believe they ended up changing the rule to apply waivers for players signed past November 1st.

 

[JH21]

I think Sakic will hold on to Girard, and instead look to fill the 2C hole through UFA (Copp/Trocheck) or using futures in a trade, even if it means waiting until mid-season/TDL for 2C trade options to open up. Sakic is patient and probably wouldn't have an issue with waiting a bit to get the right guy, and in the meantime ride it out with some combination of Newhook/Compher/Meyers/Rantanen as 2C/3C.

Then at the TDL also add a rental bottom 4 RHD (eg. Zub/Mayfield/Schenn), if he hasn't added one already in UFA, capspace allowing (eg. DeHaan, Colin Miller, Braun, Kulak).

Landeskog ------- MacKinnon ------ Nichuskin*
Lehkonen -- UFA/1st+prospects - Rantanen
Newhook ---------- Compher ---------- NAK*
Cogliano ------------ Meyers ------------ O'Connor
(Sedlak, MacDermid)

Toews - Makar
Byram - EJ
Girard - TDL/UFA
(JJ*)

Kuemper*
Francouz

We aren't paying G 5 mil to play 16 minutes a night on the 3rd pair.

 

[Richard88]

Sakic is about to start talking dirty into their ear with 5th round picks.

 

[Balthazar]

If Anaheim is resigning Manson I wonder if they'd be interested in Girard. They played really well together.

Swap G for Gibson w/ 1.4M retained and it wouldnt affect either team's cap hit. Both players have 5 years left.

 

[Richard88]

Awfully kind to say that "he has a personality".

Way more personality than any other Oiler

[Insert pizza gif here]

 

[shadow1]

Kadri and Trochek are eerily similar production wise. Here are their numbers since 2018:

	GP	G	A	P	FO%
Kadri	331	106	148	254	52.3
Trochek	327	90	151	241	53.8

He'd be a great a great target for Colorado in my eyes, especially his forechecking style. I think he'll get more than Danault got ($5.5AAV) but I doubt it's by too much; probably $6-$6.5M. The Avalanche can afford that without dumping any salary.

 

[henchman21]

If Anaheim is resigning Manson I wonder if they'd be interested in Girard. They played really well together.

Swap G for Gibson w/ 1.4M retained and it wouldnt affect either team's cap hit. Both players have 5 years left.

Verbeek is from the Yzerman school... look at the preferred style of defensemen.

Trocheck would be a great get here. He's going to cost and he'll regress through the deal... but the first 3-4 years will be at a 2C level and then a couple at a 3C level at least.

 

[dahrougem2]

Verbeek is from the Yzerman school... look at the preferred style of defensemen.

Trocheck would be a great get here. He's going to cost and he'll regress through the deal... but the first 3-4 years will be at a 2C level and then a couple at a 3C level at least.

Sounds like the duration of a contract to me.

 

[UncleRisto]

Way more personality than any other Oiler

[Insert pizza gif here]

The Finnish expression for "he has a personality", "he's a nose-licking idiot", is honestly much harsher.

 

[Bender]

Am I the only one who's not convinced on Puljujarvi? I didn't watch him a ton during the regular season but during our 4 game wipeout of the oilers, not once did I think to myself "wow, that was a great forecheck by him that led to a good chance". I barely noticed him at all... maybe that's a product of playing on a team that is so dependant on #97 and #29 providing all the offense... I dunno.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading for him as long as it doesn't cost much.

 

[hughdreamz]

 

[Vaslof]

Am I the only one who's not convinced on Puljujarvi? I didn't watch him a ton during the regular season but during our 4 game wipeout of the oilers, not once did I think to myself "wow, that was a great forecheck by him that led to a good chance". I barely noticed him at all... maybe that's a product of playing on a team that is so dependant on #97 and #29 providing all the offense... I dunno.

I wouldn't be opposed to trading for him as long as it doesn't cost much.

I agree with that. The reason to go for him is that we need cheap guys because all our elite players will take a huge chunk of the cap. Puljujärvi is someone who might end up overdelivering.