Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[The Abusement Park]

Do you say the same thing when EJ hits the shins 3 times a game? Or when literally every other single Dman does it?

EJ breaking shins is literally a board wide meme here?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Are you new here?

How many playoffs in a row had G been caved in? Is this 4 now?

Like Barrie he is a massive liability defensively. As someone said earlier, we won a cup with Manson replacing G and likely would be another 2nd round exit if we had him.



You didn't watch any NJ games or the World's did you?

You keep saying how Girard got caved in while ignoring how badly Graves got dummied, despite being 6’5”.

I’ll even back it up with stats.

19-20 Playoffs, corsi for %
Player A 49.2
Player B 56.3

20-21 Playoffs, corsi for %
Player A 39.9
Player B 51.7

Want to guess who Player A is and who Player B is?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

EJ breaking shins is literally a board wide meme here?

This is the most funny part, it’s like they are ignoring how the majority of the boards harps on EJ for his shot selection, or Girard for his past season and difficulties in the playoffs.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

He was great his first full season complementing the eventual Calder winner, but I would not call him a top two guy anymore than I’d call Patrik Nemeth a top four guy because he happened to be paired with Barrie.

FTR I still really like Graves as a player (who has to be used a certain way to succeed) but the Vegas series (and his rough outing against Dallas the year before) made it clear he needed to go.


Naw. He’s not trolling. Trolls don’t believe the shit they post. He somehow does.

I also still like Graves. However, I feel like he’s a guy that looks good on teams where it doesn’t really matter. He looked pretty good on an Avs team with middling expectations. He has played fine for NJ…who have another top pick this year. I didn’t watch the worlds because the worlds only really comes into my focus if the Avs miss the playoffs

 

[TruePowerSlave]

5 playoffs for Girard, 3 times he has missed games because of an injury. The times he didn't miss games were the bubble and last season when he played scared against Vegas. There is no need for such a player on teams that aim to win the cup.

 

[JH21]

I also still like Graves. However, I feel like he’s a guy that looks good on teams where it doesn’t really matter. He looked pretty good on an Avs team with middling expectations. He has played fine for NJ…who have another top pick this year. I didn’t watch the worlds because the worlds only really comes into my focus if the Avs miss the playoffs

This is probably accurate. I will be honest, Graves is a solid player but probably not someone we want in a top 4 role on a cup contending team. He would have been a fine bottom pair guy but not at his salary of 3.5 mil or whatever it was.

And for the same reasons Girard is also not a guy we want in the top 4 on a cup contending team and his 5m salary does not make him a fit on the bottom pair.

If we can trade G for a top 6 forward I think we do it. The same as the Barrie for Kadri trade. But that also means we are searching for a top 4 defender to replace Manson.

 

[dahrougem2]

How dare one of his shots got blocked. One. Jesus this place sometimes

I was ecstatic when we traded Barrie who was a complete defensive liability and will be ecstatic when we trade Girard.

Yet I got screamed at by half the board sheep when I said we need to get bigger and tougher on the back end. Fast forward and G is hurt and Manson helps us win a cup. Funny how that works.

You were screamed at because you kept pounding the table about Ryan Graves actually being good.

Ryan Graves sucks. All the tools in the world and zero toolbox. As "hockey dummy" as they come.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

The Girard situation is really similar to the Barrie situation for me. Love both, think both get overrated by our own fanbase at times, in a perfect world I wouldn't want to trade either but it just makes so much sense to move them. We have a replacement on deck, and much bigger holes than the roles they will fill on this team.

I know Girard is signed long term unlike Barrie so it's much different in that sense .. but even if Barrie was on a great long term contract I would have wanted him traded for a C. There was the arguments that having Makar/Barrie pushing the pace on your top two pairing would be a huge advantage. Much like having Toews/Byram/Girard down the left size would be amazing ... but not having a 2C/ruining your forward depth is a bigger hole than those things were strengths IMO.

As someone who wanted no part of Barrie’s UFA contract give me him 100 times out of 100 over G. While he always had his defensive lapses he put up pts, was aggressive, durable, & threw his body around in the postseason.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

This is probably accurate. I will be honest, Graves is a solid player but probably not someone we want in a top 4 role on a cup contending team. He would have been a fine bottom pair guy but not at his salary of 3.5 mil or whatever it was.

And for the same reasons Girard is also not a guy we want in the top 4 on a cup contending team and his 5m salary does not make him a fit on the bottom pair.

If we can trade G for a top 6 forward I think we do it. The same as the Barrie for Kadri trade. But that also means we are searching for a top 4 defender to replace Manson.

For Girard, I’d be fine with two scenarios. You use him in a deal to acquire a long term 2C, or you swap him for a more defensive RHD.

Basically, get Lou drunk again and swap G+ for Barzal, or swap G for a guy like Matt Roy who could be an amazing partner for Byram.

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

I have a good source saying Girard for Barzal @ 50%

The source said something about an e5 rating I think, but I wasn’t fully listening

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I dont think trading Girard for a futures package is the worst idea in the world tbh.


1. We're short on futures right now, especially after using a lot of what we had at last years deadline. Restocking those cupboards isn't a bad thing to do.

2. Especially at the trade deadline, 90% of players that are available, are for picks/prospects. Not hockey trades. So restocking some of our lost draft capital would allow us to be more aggressive at the deadline next year.

3. Flipping some of those assets this summer to fill the 2C role is always an option as well. If the Avs struck out on say Trocheck, Strome, Kadri, etc. in free agency, having more futures may allow us to get involved in a Bo Horvat trade, or whoever might shake free in the summer.



I dunno what a potential package would even look like... But something like a 2023 1st + 2023 2nd + Young Roster player wouldn't be the worst deal. Then you've got 2 1st round picks for next year where you can comfortably use one at the deadline to get a major piece for the run, or use it in a package for a 2C if we strikeout on Trocheck/Kadri/whoever.

 

[shadow1]

Are you new here?

How many playoffs in a row had G been caved in? Is this 4 now?

Like Barrie he is a massive liability defensively. As someone said earlier, we won a cup with Manson replacing G and likely would be another 2nd round exit if we had him.

Byram replaced Girard. And Girard wasn’t getting caved in, he was playing well until the injury. Manson was playing third pairing minutes most of the playoffs, especially the towards end.

But hey, I’m talking to the person who picked Nashville over Colorado in the first round. You know better than I do.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I think Bura ends up there

My guess is David Perron. He screams big D(ouche)

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

If Sakic trades Girard, in return he better be receiving the kitchen sink, faucet, counter top, and cabinets.

Jake Bean, who's less than a month younger than Girard, somehow returned a 2nd round pick at last year's draft based purely on upside. Meanwhile, Sammy G is one of only three defensemen (Chychrun, Sergachev) age 24 or younger to have more than 300 regular season games under their belt (340).

I'm obviously okay with any move that makes Colorado better long term, but there are definitely a lot of plusses to keeping Girard. He's young as heck, can reliably play 22+ minutes per night, and still has five years left on his team friendly deal. Looking big picture, when 30-year-old pending UFA Devon Toews undoubtably prices himself out in two years, 26-year-old Girard will still anchor the second pairing with three years left on his deal (with Byram and Makar on the top pairing, obviously).

I see a lot of people saying "trade Girard, sign Manson". That's the ultimate New York Rangers/Toronto Maple Leafs move: invest long term in the older role player on last year's cup team. Mason was extremely solid in the playoffs, but was god awful in the regular season. It was all anyone was talking about for weeks. Though Manson rebounded big in the playoffs, he only averaged 15:51 in the WCF + SCF, and that includes three overtime games. I thank him for his service and look forward to Sakic acquiring Manson 2.0 at next year's deadline.

You roll Sam Girards to win President’s Cups, Josh Mansons to win Stanley Cups. You can’t ice finesse defensemen whose offense dries up, shy away from contact, & are prone to injuries in the playoffs. Come April he’s a liability at best, an IR listing at worst.

 

[Balthazar]

Girard can definitely help a team to make the playoffs. He could be extremely useful to a number of teams.

 

[Balthazar]

 

[shadow1]

You roll Sam Girards to win President’s Cups, Josh Mansons to win Stanley Cups. You can’t ice finesse defensemen whose offense dries up, shy away from contact, & are prone to injuries in the playoffs. Come April he’s a liability at best, an IR listing at worst.

Manson is a #5. It’s not even an apples to apples comparison. He can’t handle the minutes Girard can.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

You roll Sam Girards to win President’s Cups, Josh Mansons to win Stanley Cups. You can’t ice finesse defensemen whose offense dries up, shy away from contact, & are prone to injuries in the playoffs. Come April he’s a liability at best, an IR listing at worst.

This has to be one of the dumbest posts of the day.

 

[JH21]

This has to be one of the dumbest posts of the day.

He's not wrong.

 

[JH21]

For Girard, I’d be fine with two scenarios. You use him in a deal to acquire a long term 2C, or you swap him for a more defensive RHD.

Basically, get Lou drunk again and swap G+ for Barzal, or swap G for a guy like Matt Roy who could be an amazing partner for Byram.

Sam Girard and Alex Newhook

For

Matt Barzal and Scott Mayfield.

Barzal is on a one year, 7m deal coming off a 59 point season and then is a RFA. Mayfield has one more year at 1.45m then is a UFA.

Resign
Nuke 6 x 6.25
Kuemper 5 x 5
Lehkonen 5 x 4.5
JJ 1 x 1
Helm 1 x 1
Aubel-Kubel 1 x 1.25

3 mil in cap space this year and then 35 in cap space next year for raises for Mack and Mayfield and extend RFA's Barzal and Byram longterm.

Landeskog- Mackinnon- Nichushkin
Lehkonen- Barzal- Rantanen
Sedlak- Compher- O'Connor
Cogliano- Meyers - Helm
Aubel-Kubel

Byram - Makar
Toews - Mayfield
JJ - EJ
MacDermid

Kuemper
Francouz

 

[Hasbro]

Gudranson and Z were pretty bad in that series.

I’d take Z over Gudbranson easily and I’m not interested in Z.

 

[The Kingslayer]

It ain’t Gibson or Flower either. Husso is a risk. He could be like Frankie or he could be like Sarros. I’d still take a chance on him over Gibson or MAF.


Just say No

Husso sucks.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Im no Girard stan but where did this hes "Always injured in the playoffs" talk come from? before this year he only got injured in the San Jose series didnt he? Was he injured in the bubble and last yr and I totally missed it? I mean he was bad against the Knights but so was the entire team minus Saad.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Im no Girard stan but where did this hes "Always injured in the playoffs" talk come from? before this year he only got injured in the San Jose series didnt he? Was he injured in the bubble and last yr and I totally missed it? I mean he was bad against the Knights but so was the entire team minus Saad.

Missed a couple games his rookie year I believe. Its basically completely fabricated bullshit but then again so is half the garbage people get on with here so.

 

[AegonLeConqueror]

I don't think Girard is a bum, and I don't think skill for skill that Manson is better. But I do believe Manson (or a player like Manson) is better for this team than Girard is. You can hate the argument that bigger, more physical defensemen are more important in the playoffs, but it's hard to ignore Manson's contribution during the latter half of this playoff run when Girard was out.

No, Manson wasn't suddenly the reason we won and he wasn't a #1 or #2 defenseman, he probably wasn't even a #3 (Cale, Toews, Bo in that order probably) but I would say he was #4 and I think I trust his game more as a #4 than Girard. Plus I don't think Girard makes the save against St. Louis because he doesn't play on the PK (and the shot woulda sailed over his head if he bent down to try and block it /s).

Also take whatever I say with a grain of salt - I've developed a Manson man-crush after this championship run.

And Manson can do this: