Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[niwotsblessing]

What do you guys think Compher's trade value is at this point?

Note that he just set career highs in:
- Games played (70 + 20 playoff games)
- Goals (18)
- Points (33)
- Faceoff % (51.4%)

He also scored some clutch goals in the playoffs (5 goals in 20 playoff games for 20 goal pace).

His contract at $3.5m AAV (and salary also at $3.5m) is pretty fair for the production he's provided.

GM's love versatile RHS forwards who can play up and down the lineup, play center or wing, win faceoffs, and play all-situations. Even moreso those with cup winning experience.

Sakic hasn't tended to trade players under contract much, but he did move Barrie as a pending UFA, as well as cashing in on Soderberg as a pending UFA for a pick that was flipped to Washington for Burakovsky.

I would have nothing against keeping Compher as he had a good season (especially playoffs). However, assuming that the 2C hole gets filled with a competent center and that capspace is tight, perhaps the smart move from an asset value perspective would be to sell high on Compher and fill the 3RW spot with a cheaper option (eg. NAK/Kaut/UFA), and have Meyers or Newhook at 3C (which might be the plan anyways).

He could either be part of a hockey trade, or bring back a draft pick that could be used to either re-stock the cupboards or be flipped for a roster player (like the Soderberg trade).

Hockey trade: bundle him with Girard for a long-term solution at 2C.

 

[BoxOfChocolates]

Kypreos said this morning on the radio that apparently the number Kuemper wants is 6.5M

No thanks

 

[Bender]

I don’t think Stastny can hold up for a full season with the Avs given the way they play. Really don’t want him unless it’s a TDL acquisition to fill a position of need.

Fair enough. Though I will say is in really good physical condition and even though he's not a speedster, he's always been able to get to where he needs to be. Besides, Giroux isn't exactly the greatest skater either and that isn't stopping people from thinking about signing him either.

 

[dahrougem2]

No to Stastny, no to Giroux. Go get players that fit within this team's identity.

 

[jaisen73]

Kuemper is going to get an overvalued offer and I can't fault him for that. For all the justified critiques of his game he is still an above average goalie. But his solid season with the Avs was also a reflection of a very good team in front of him with ridiculous goal support.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

We need Compher much more than we need whatever collection of average picks/prospects we could get for him.

 

[Bender]

Kypreos said this morning on the radio that apparently the number Kuemper wants is 6.5M

No thanks

I don't think he'd know but IF true, then yeah the Avs are walking away from that rather easily. Let Ken Holland give him that.

If the Avalanche are as such strong believers in Annunen as we are led to believe, then the right play is to go short-term with a vet as opposed to signing Darcy or trading for a guy with term like Gibson or other.

 

[Goulet17]

Kypreos said this morning on the radio that apparently the number Kuemper wants is 6.5M

No thanks

I thought that Kadri, Manson, and Bura were gone for sure. I am hoping that Kuemper is gone (lost faith in the guy during the playoffs, injury or not).

Now I am starting to think that all of Colorado's major UFAs could walk, at least based on some of the numbers that I have seen thrown around. It will be fascinating to see what Sakic/McFarland have planned. I have a lot of trust in those two.

 

[BoxOfChocolates]

Kypreos said this morning on the radio that apparently the number Kuemper wants is 6.5M

No thanks

To add to this:

Friedman and Kyper both agreed the Avs wouldn't do it and that he'd need to take 1M-1.5M less to stay. But the open market could easily hit 6.5M.

Apparently Kadri's number starts with an 8, and teams like Seattle and Boston would pull the trigger

 

[Goulet17]

To add to this:

Friedman and Kyper both agreed the Avs wouldn't do it and that he'd need to take 1M-1.5M less to stay. But the open market could easily hit 6.5M.

Apparently Kadri's number starts with an 8, and teams like Seattle and Boston would pull the trigger

So does Nuke's number start at $6.5-$7 MM on the open market? If so, I don't see how Colorado pays that. It is approaching Landy's AAV.

I also don't see Colorado going much above Kuemp's AAV of $4.5 MM last year over maybe two years.

 

[Richard88]

Mid 2nd round pick if someone out there just loves that guy and how he would fit in their system or chuck fletcher.

Overall, probably a late 2nd / early 3rd - I can't really see it being much higher. Ideally he's part of a deal that brings in a better even if we have to add. He's a good middle-6 player who can chip-in while being versatile and he's still young-ish.



Value-wise I think it's pretty even but the fact that Newhook has another year left on his ELC tips the scale in favor of the Avs since both teams are contenders - that has value. Necas has put up back-to-back 40+ point seasons but will need a new contract and unfortunately is a winger.

Unlike many others, I believe it's too early to pigeon-hole Newhook as a winger without more experience under his belt and more opportunities at center. People around here are too "Jost-shocked" (shell-shocked) and terrified that it's going to happen again. By that same logic, MacKinnon would be also be a winger after his rookie season and I guess.


He's gonna be 37 in December.. how long do you figure he's gonna play for to sign a multi-year contract at this point?

Yeah I was thinking a mid to late 2nd would probably be decent value, but more realistically a 3rd. If a team think they can re-sign him maybe they'd part with a mid 2nd.

I could see a JTC trade being this year's version of the Graves/Soderberg/Barrie trades that brought back some draft capital. The picks in those trades (two 2nd's and a 3rd) returned Burakovsky along with Behrens and Foudy (arguably the Avs best two prospects), so they weren't insignificant.

Regarding Newhook/Necas, you're right that Newhook is more valuable cap-wise given the extra ELC year, but what I think it boils down to is which of the two you think has a better shot at becoming a center. If the answer is Necas then I would do that trade even if it means losing the extra ELC year. Obviously also depends on Necas being reasonable with his contract ask.

 

[shadow1]

Kypreos said this morning on the radio that apparently the number Kuemper wants is 6.5M

No thanks

I expect Sakic to offer something like $5.25 x 4-5. If Kuemper wants more than that, time to move on to Plan B...

 

[Richard88]

We need Compher much more than we need whatever collection of average picks/prospects we could get for him.

I agree. It's not just picks though. An extra ~$2.5m could be useful too. Meyers could very well be a direct replacement too.

 

[dahrougem2]

To add to this:

Friedman and Kyper both agreed the Avs wouldn't do it and that he'd need to take 1M-1.5M less to stay. But the open market could easily hit 6.5M.

Apparently Kadri's number starts with an 8, and teams like Seattle and Boston would pull the trigger

Boston? Kadri? I can't see Naz signing there.

Seattle? I doubt Kadri wants to go play for a bottom feeding team that will likely be there for the next 4/5 years.

My money is on one of these three teams: Philadelphia, Buffalo, or Detroit.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Every big name will walk unless they are willing to lose millions, that’s the situation. They all just won the cup so it makes sense to cash-in.

 

[Bender]

To add to this:

Friedman and Kyper both agreed the Avs wouldn't do it and that he'd need to take 1M-1.5M less to stay. But the open market could easily hit 6.5M.

Apparently Kadri's number starts with an 8, and teams like Seattle and Boston would pull the trigger

Shocker! lol Actually, I won't be surprised if Francis puts Grubauer on waivers and then signs Kuemper to a massive 6 year - $6.5M per contract.

Yeah I was thinking a mid to late 2nd would probably be decent value, but more realistically a 3rd. If a team think they can re-sign him maybe they'd part with a mid 2nd.

I could see a JTC trade being this year's version of the Graves/Soderberg/Barrie trades that brought back some draft capital. The picks in those trades (two 2nd's and a 3rd) returned Burakovsky along with Behrens and Foudy (arguably the Avs best two prospects), so they weren't insignificant.

Regarding Newhook/Necas, you're right that Newhook is more valuable cap-wise given the extra ELC year, but what I think it boils down to is which of the two you think has a better shot at becoming a center. If the answer is Necas then I would do that trade even if it means losing the extra ELC year. Obviously also depends on Necas being reasonable with his contract ask.

I think Newhook has a better chance. He's always been a C and just completed his 1st pro season. Necas just completed his 4th and I think if he was a C or had a good chance to develop into one, Carolina would probably try to keep him and we wouldn't hear much about him being available.

 

[flyfysher]

Fair enough. Though I will say is in really good physical condition and even though he's not a speedster, he's always been able to get to where he needs to be. Besides, Giroux isn't exactly the greatest skater either and that isn't stopping people from thinking about signing him either.

Avs won the SCF with their skating. Speed and execution.

 

[Richard88]

I thought that Kadri, Manson, and Bura were gone for sure. I am hoping that Kuemper is gone (lost faith in the guy during the playoffs, injury or not).

Now I am starting to think that all of Colorado's major UFAs could walk, at least based on some of the numbers that I have seen thrown around. It will be fascinating to see what Sakic/McFarland have planned. I have a lot of trust in those two.

If most of the Avs UFA's walk Sakic and MacFarland will be in a completely new situation, having never spent big in UFA but having a tonne of capspace needing to be used (and not having a lot of assets to use in trades). Their biggest UFA signings the last few years were Donskoi ($3.9m X 4) and Ian Cole ($4.25m X3), both relatively small compared to the biggest UFA deals each year. They've also been careful with AAV and term on RFA contracts, but they may be forced to make one or two deals in UFA that they'd usually avoid.

To add to this:

Friedman and Kyper both agreed the Avs wouldn't do it and that he'd need to take 1M-1.5M less to stay. But the open market could easily hit 6.5M.

Apparently Kadri's number starts with an 8, and teams like Seattle and Boston would pull the trigger

Kadri on the same team as DeBrusk, lol

He'd be a good fit there other than that. They need a 2C and have a quickly closing window.

 

[jaisen73]

Boston? Kadri? I can't see Naz signing there.

Seattle? I doubt Kadri wants to go play for a bottom feeding team that will likely be there for the next 4/5 years.

My money is on one of these three teams: Philadelphia, Buffalo, or Detroit.

I wouldn't rule out Seattle, Their record wasn't great, of course, but they lost a lot of close games and if Grube returns to even close to 2021 form they could surprise a lot of people. Being a Northwest resident I am admittedly biased but I will say Seattle would be a nice fit for Kadri off the ice. It really depends on how much he wants to win a 2nd Cup or, given this is his last big contract, how much he wants to set himself and his family up for. I wish him nothing but the best either way.

 

[Richard88]

Boston? Kadri? I can't see Naz signing there.

Seattle? I doubt Kadri wants to go play for a bottom feeding team that will likely be there for the next 4/5 years.

My money is on one of these three teams: Philadelphia, Buffalo, or Detroit.

Philadelphia already have Hayes and Couturier. Do you think they move Hayes to LW or what's the idea there?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Sounds like GMs and Agents are on the way to crazy town once again this summer.


If Kadri can get 8+, Darcy 6.5+, Mikheyev 5.5, etc. It's probably not a bad idea to just do nothing once again for us.


Do nothing, wait out the absolute shit storm of bad contracts and then look at options afterwards. Seems like lots of teams are just going to kill themselves with awful contracts anyway.



Re-Sign Lehky, Re-Sign Nuke(Though honestly he might be priced out) and then just wait and see what unfolds.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

LeBrun rumblings: Why hasn't Filip Forsberg re-signed with Nashville yet?

Also, updates on Evander Kane, Marc-André Fleury, Ilya Mikheyev, Kris Letang and Evgeni Malkin.

theathletic.com

Fleury will be able to be picky with his decision. Hard not to think that Colorado wouldn’t be a nice fit if for whatever reasons the Cup champs are unable to re-sign Kuemper. As of Monday morning, the Avs hadn’t yet made a formal contract offer to Kuemper but the club has communicated a desire to try to keep him. So we’ll see where that goes.

 

[CalderKing21]

Kypreos said this morning on the radio that apparently the number Kuemper wants is 6.5M

No thanks

Trade market, here we come. Hey Caps, y’all got any of them goalies you want to trade

 

[Richard88]

I wouldn't rule out Seattle, Their record wasn't great, of course, but they lost a lot of close games and if Grube returns to even close to 2021 form they could surprise a lot of people. Being a Northwest resident I am admittedly biased but I will say Seattle would be a nice fit for Kadri off the ice. It really depends on how much he wants to win a 2nd Cup or, given this is his last big contract, how much he wants to set himself and his family up for. I wish him nothing but the best either way.

Kadri-Gourde-McCann-Wennberg would be quite decent center depth, at least for as long as Kadri can stay productive.

 

[CalderKing21]

I agree. It's not just picks though. An extra ~$2.5m could be useful too. Meyers could very well be a direct replacement too.

Eh, he’s cheap enough to keep around and his play was key in the playoffs. You don’t trade him for picks and cap space unless you have to.