Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[Murzu]

Raanta is never 100% healthy

Unfortunately this.

 

[PAZ]

How are we on 50 pages of this and there isn't one mention of JoJo?

Also gotta feel a bit for JoJo. Instead of being part of something special and getting a cup ring, he got claimed for 2 NHL games and 1 AHL game.

 

[Richard88]

I think a darkhorse option could be Hellebuyck. If the Jets go full rebuild mode and trade both of Dubois or Scheifele (which I think is more likely than not), I can't see them holding onto older players like Wheeler and Helley. I think they might be a year away from this reality check, but we could give them a competitive offer with Kuemper's rights included and a guy like G. Just spitballing.

Sakic would lose a lot of goodwill with agents and players if he trades a guy to Winnipeg of all places after he's committed to Colorado on a long-term deal at a team-friendly caphit.

 

[Richard88]

I take it that since he never gets brought up that everyone is against Mackenzie Blackwood as an option?

He put up really solid numbers 2-3 seasons ago and his numbers recently were clearly impacted by the off-ice stuff and injury issues.

Perhaps he'd rediscover his best form with a fresh start on a team with a vastly better defense in front of him than he's been playing behind in NJ. If he does then you've potentially got a young long-term solution in net.

At $2.8m X 1 year the commitment would only be for one year (and RFA afterwards), and that low caphit would allow you to bring back some other UFA's.

Not sure what the price of acquisition would be, but I would guess that it would be closer to what Nedeljkovic (3rd) or Vanacek (2nd) went for than what Kuemper cost. If NJ bring in a starter as expected (i.e. they've been linked to Campbell and Husso), then you've got to think that Blackwood and his agent would also be pushing hard for a trade too.

It would of course be a gamble, but probably not that much more of a gamble than rolling the dice on Fleury or a long-term deal for Kuemper.

 

[LOFIN]

It's essentially the 2nd OV pick and 5M+ cap space for our #4D and 2nd/3rd line forward.

Use the cap space for re-signings or UFAs and you basically get a potential franchise player without the team even getting that much worse. Obviously it won’t happen but if it did I couldn't say no.

Does the 2nd overall pick help us for next season? No, so don't do it. As simple as that.

 

[Richard88]

Does the 2nd overall pick help us for next season? No, so don't do it. As simple as that.

Not saying we should do it, but if we got the 2 pick it could be flipped for anything we need.

For example, maybe a package around Girard + Newhook doesn't get you the 2C you want, but the No.2 pick would be more versatile in a trade and open up more trade routes to get a high end C. I don't see why NJ would do that though.

 

[Brett44]

I rather Trochek over Giroux at 2C

and Necas over both

 

[Metallo]

They definitely did that, Peter McNab called them out on it on the radio.

Wasn't it just after the game ended, not after minutes of celebrating?

 

[Metallo]

Sakic would lose a lot of goodwill with agents and players if he trades a guy to Winnipeg of all places after he's committed to Colorado on a long-term deal at a team-friendly caphit.

I hear what your are saying but I fear G is not on team friendly deal anymore. His play has fallen off a cliff. If he doesn't correct course this year he is very much a candidate for a trade and no one would blame Joe.

 

[Richard88]

I hear what your are saying but I fear G is not on team friendly deal anymore. His play has fallen off a cliff. I he doesn't correct course this year he is very much a candidate for a trade and no one would blame Joe.

"Fallen off a cliff" is a bit strong. He dealt with an injury in the regular season and was also partnered with JJ a lot. At the end of the season when he was healthy and playing with Manson he unsurprisingly looked very good again.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Here’s the thing though. Varly is a streaky goalie, when fully healthy IMO he’s a legit starter, and at least for one glorious season nearly a decade ago, he was elite.

When he struggles, it’s almost always because he’s trying to fight through something. So when I hear he’s “only” missed so many games the last couple years, I don’t think that’s telling the whole story. His final season in Colorado he had a horrid stretch around November or something like that and I’m almost positive he missed some games not afterward. It was a long time ago so my memory may be a bit spotty.


He was one of the worst goalies in the league last year. No idea why in hell Jarmo re-signed him but he can have the guy.

Unless you're talking elite/higher end goalies, these guys yoyo a lot. So buying low after a down year can be smart.

 

[Bender]

Please no Varly. Or Stastny, before you ask. Cause someone will.

I would take Stastny back on a 1-yr $2M deal to play 3rd line LW and maybe more importantly on the #2 PP unit for sure. He'd be a pretty nice depth add and would help on faceoffs as well.

Sakic would lose a lot of goodwill with agents and players if he trades a guy to Winnipeg of all places after he's committed to Colorado on a long-term deal at a team-friendly caphit.

When Sammy G signed that deal, it was in the middle of summer 2019 and before the acquisition of Toews. Girard had just put up 27 points in the regular season and we had just lost to SJ in the playoffs. I think it was more of a projection of what he was going to become rather than actually giving the Avs a discount.

After the Avs won the last 2.5 rounds without him, no one will bat an eye if Sakic ends up trading him.

 

[flyfysher]

I would take Stastny back on a 1-yr $2M deal to play 3rd line LW and maybe more importantly on the #2 PP unit for sure. He'd be a pretty nice depth add and would help on faceoffs as well.

When Sammy G signed that deal, it was in the middle of summer 2019 and before the acquisition of Toews. Girard had just put up 27 points in the regular season and we had just lost to SJ in the playoffs. I think it was more of a projection of what he was going to become rather than actually giving the Avs a discount.

After the Avs won the last 2.5 rounds without him, no one will bat an eye if Sakic ends up trading him.

I would take Stastny back on a 1-yr $2M deal to play 3rd line LW and maybe more importantly on the #2 PP unit for sure. He'd be a pretty nice depth add and would help on faceoffs as well.

When Sammy G signed that deal, it was in the middle of summer 2019 and before the acquisition of Toews. Girard had just put up 27 points in the regular season and we had just lost to SJ in the playoffs. I think it was more of a projection of what he was going to become rather than actually giving the Avs a discount.

After the Avs won the last 2.5 rounds without him, no one will bat an eye if Sakic ends up trading him.

It's very unlike Sakic to trade players under contract. Jost and JTC are examples and in Jost's case, he asked for a trade. Sakic as a GM seeks to get full value so he's not trading Girard unless there's a substantial benefit to be had here even though I regard him as the Avs most likely trade piece.

I have no idea about who could play in goal. There aren't a lot of great options. One part of me is like Gibson sucks. Another part is Gibson is only 28. In that case, you have to rely on your scouts to tell you if the guy can still play or not. But, if you go with Fleury then you can keep your cap hit down and allocate money to other players.

 

[Metallo]

"Fallen off a cliff" is a bit strong. He dealt with an injury in the regular season and was also partnered with JJ a lot. At the end of the season when he was healthy and playing with Manson he unsurprisingly looked very good again.

Yeah, it's a bit strong but his play was just not been good enough and he regressed. Combine this with the fact that he has not demonstrated he can really contribute at a championship level in the playoffs then all bets are off if he doesn't correct course.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Newhook for Hellebuyck at 50% retained

 

[tucker3434]

I don’t understand everyone’s infatuation with Gibson. He used to be good. He’s been living off the rep ever since. A Gibson trade looks worse than last year’s Kuemper trade and we would also get worse results. Just seems like Jose Theodore all over again. I’d much rather roll the dice with Kuemper at the cost of no assets *assuming the price is reasonable.*

Overall, It’s difficult to armchair GM this off-season. Everyone is a cup winner now. Opposing GM’s pay a premium for that regardless of whether it means anything. There will be some guys looking to cash in. There will be others that want another crack at the cup with this group and are willing to take a bit less to do so. We can’t afford bidding wars, so only the 2nd group is a reasonable option to pull from. Not entirely sure who those guys will be.

People need to remember not to implode when the final roster is set. It won’t be as good as our cup winning roster but it also won’t be the roster we enter the 2023 playoffs with. We added so many important pieces during the season last year and will do it again as the cap permits.

 

[Bender]

It's very unlike Sakic to trade players under contract. Jost and JTC are examples and in Jost's case, he asked for a trade. Sakic as a GM seeks to get full value so he's not trading Girard unless there's a substantial benefit to be had here even though I regard him as the Avs most likely trade piece.

I have no idea about who could play in goal. There aren't a lot of great options. One part of me is like Gibson sucks. Another part is Gibson is only 28. In that case, you have to rely on your scouts to tell you if the guy can still play or not. But, if you go with Fleury then you can keep your cap hit down and allocate money to other players.

I agree with what you're saying but it's unreasonable to assume that because Sakic hasn't typically traded players with term in the past 3-4 years that he won't do it now especially when you consider the hole at #2C and the surplus on D. At some point, ALL GMs need to make moves where they trade a player that has term to address other needs - they may not like it and maybe it's not their preference but it's inevitable.

I think winning the cup changes a lot of things. I mean, before the playoffs - I was 100% on the keep Sammy G train because we hadn't seen what Byram could do. I figured that Kadri and Burakovsky would roll off and that they'd put Newhook as #2C to start the year and see how he does and address #2C at the TDL. I don't feel like that would be a good idea anymore.

Now that we're the top dog, I don't think teams will be doing us any favors in adding key pieces at the TDL. I think you can address secondary depth pieces but not #2C or G.

I could see Fleury being a good possibility. Only a 1 year commitment without it costing you any assets and you can re-visit the goalie market one year later and also check-in on Annunen's development.

Hopefully they pick a goalie or two with the few picks they do have. Basically, they should ask their scouts about different goalie options at the draft and pick the consensus guy that NONE of their scouts like.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I wonder what it would take to get Kähkönen and Robins out of San Jose. I’d trade Girard for this. Yes, it’s not the 2C but you do get a 25 year old RFA goalie who seems like he has an upward trajectory.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

and Necas over both

That’ll solve things, get a winger to play 2C for us.

 

[UncleRisto]

Newhook for Hellebuyck at 50% retained

Throw in Pionk at 50% if we add two 5ths.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Throw in Pionk at 50% if we add two 5ths.

Always thought Ehlers would look dominant on this team, think they do it if we upgrade those 5ths to 3rds, or are we going to have to go a 2nd and a 3rd?

 

[UncleRisto]

Always thought Ehlers would look dominant on this team, think they do it if we upgrade those 5ths to 3rds, or are we going to have to go a 2nd and a 3rd?

I think a 2nd and a 3rd is fair.

 

[UncleRisto]

I wonder what it would take to get Kähkönen and Robins out of San Jose. I’d trade Girard for this. Yes, it’s not the 2C but you do get a 25 year old RFA goalie who seems like he has an upward trajectory.

Looking at Kähkönen game to game, I don't think he will be a good starter.

 

[Richard88]

If we're trading Girard how about something around Girard+ for Murphy + Dach?

Girard would be a perfect long-term partner for Jones on Chicago's top pairing and is young enough to fit their rebuild while also keeping them competitive right now.

Murphy is signed for 4 years and $600k cheaper than Girard, and is a better stylistic fit on the Avs 2nd pairing next to one of Byram or Toews (and long-term Behrens).

Maybe I'm vastly undervaluing Dach but I'm not sure how you value him at this point. Whatever the case the trade value can be balanced with picks/prospects/JTC.

Dach would be the piece that makes the Girard/Murphy swap worth it for Colorado, as he could potentially fill the 2C spot going forwards. It's also a bit risky for the Avs if Dach doesn't pan out at 2C as they'd have traded their best 2C-trade-chip.

 

[Bender]

If we're trading Girard how about something around Girard+ for Murphy + Dach?

Girard would be a perfect long-term partner for Jones on Chicago's top pairing and is young enough to fit their rebuild while also keeping them competitive right now.

Murphy is signed for 4 years and $600k cheaper than Girard, and is a better stylistic fit on the Avs 2nd pairing next to one of Byram or Toews (and long-term Behrens).

Maybe I'm vastly undervaluing Dach but I'm not sure how you value him at this point. Whatever the case the trade value can be balanced with picks/prospects/JTC.

Dach would be the piece that makes the Girard/Murphy swap worth it for Colorado, as he could potentially fill the 2C spot going forwards. It's also a bit risky for the Avs if Dach doesn't pan out at 2C as they'd have traded their best 2C-trade-chip.

I've always been a big Kirby Dach fan but if I'm Avs management, I don't want to put in the patience that it will take for him to "figure it out". I do think he gets there but is it going to be this year, next or the one after that?

I think it would be a great trade but timing-wise maybe not as much. Unless you're making a subsequent move like getting Gourde out of Seattle... who could take over that #2C spot until Dach is ready. If that's the case, I'd much prefer to grab Adam Larsson as well instead of Connor Murphy.