Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[LOFIN]

Is there rumors of EJ retiring?

Why would there be?

 

[Pokecheque]

Unless you're talking elite/higher end goalies, these guys yoyo a lot. So buying low after a down year can be smart.

Not if that’s an indication of future performance. Again, Avs had good reason to move on from him.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I don’t understand everyone’s infatuation with Gibson. He used to be good. He’s been living off the rep ever since. A Gibson trade looks worse than last year’s Kuemper trade and we would also get worse results. Just seems like Jose Theodore all over again. I’d much rather roll the dice with Kuemper at the cost of no assets *assuming the price is reasonable.*

Overall, It’s difficult to armchair GM this off-season. Everyone is a cup winner now. Opposing GM’s pay a premium for that regardless of whether it means anything. There will be some guys looking to cash in. There will be others that want another crack at the cup with this group and are willing to take a bit less to do so. We can’t afford bidding wars, so only the 2nd group is a reasonable option to pull from. Not entirely sure who those guys will be.

People need to remember not to implode when the final roster is set. It won’t be as good as our cup winning roster but it also won’t be the roster we enter the 2023 playoffs with. We added so many important pieces during the season last year and will do it again as the cap permits.

I’ve been saying this all along about Gibson but people believe what they want. Sakic doesn’t seem to want to pay over 5 Million for a starter so our options are even more limited.

 

[RockLobster]

If Naz goes to a team that is similar in their offensive attack, he probably can put up 65-70 points (not sure about another 85+ point year). But if he goes to a team that’s either balance in their approach or even more defensive, he’s likely putting up 50-55, MAYBE 60, and suddenly we’ll hear how he’s overpaid.

Either way, I hope he goes out and gets that bag. Dude earned it.

 

[Raucherhusten]

If Kadri signs with Boston, Steve Dangle will die!

 

[Bender]

Really, based on what you’ve seen from the Avs- what makes you think they have any interest in signing Stastny now especially given his production. I mean I get your argument based on need for a 3C and Stastny’s production but we already have JTC and we were already complaining about his salary and how a million bucks here or there would make a huge difference. So I neither see the interest on the Avs’ part or a pressing need IMO to bring Stastny back. Maybe the Avs decide this part of their contention window requires signing aged vets like Stastny, Malkin and Giroux. I just think it’s unwise and there will be better choices. It seems premature to me to be signing cup chasing vets but Sakic did at least inquire about Giroux. So you might be right. However, I don’t think Sakic ever made a similar inquiry with Stastny.

I think he's probably more of a LW now then a C. I'm pretty sure that's mostly what he was playing in Winnipeg last season although he's still really good at taking faceoffs.

To be honest, I never really thought it much further than that. I could just see him being a good add as a 3rd line player with his experience and playmaking ability for the 2nd PP unit. It's always nice to have another strong faceoff guy as well.

I was thinking it could be his last NHL contract (1 year) before he calls it quits and would be 'nice' if he finished his career where it started. As far as 'fit' within Bednar's system, it may not work, I'll give you that and I have no earthly idea if he would be the type of player that would be on their radar or not... probably not.

I wasn't mentioning what I think "the Avs are going to do", I specifically said "I would take Stastny back on a 1 year - $2M deal". I just think it would be cool if it happened as a fan of the team and the player. That's all.

 

[LOFIN]

If Kadri signs with Boston, Steve Dangle will die!

It would be hilarious as all hell, but I think Kadri is the type of guy who would not sign for Boston or Ottawa. Like I've said, I still think he wants to play for the Leafs at some point but that's going to have to wait until the management changes.

 

[forsbergavs32]

$10 mil? Well was nice working with ya Naz

 

[Gruyeriev]

The situation seems a little grim. Trying to keep the band together can be tough but let’s not forget that TB had cap issues and they managed to ice a good team three years in a row.

 

[jaisen73]

Calling it: Seattle continues their tradition and signs Kadri, Burky, and Val. Basically they take our entire starting 2nd line from Fall 2021. Grubauer has a moment of clarity and genuinely believes he is on the 2020-2021 Avalanche, has a spectacular season, and the Kraken are a wild card team. They get swept by the Avalanche in Round 1.

 

[Golden Foppa]

10 million for Kadri? Good for him, awful for literally any team that signs that.

If it's 10 million you say thanks for your contributions and we'll contact you once your Stanley Cup ring is ready.

 

[AvsCOL]

Extend Mack, extend Val, and hopefully extend Byram. Keep the core together and work around that.

Giroux at 2C would be a great replacement for Kadri.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think he's probably more of a LW now then a C. I'm pretty sure that's mostly what he was playing in Winnipeg last season although he's still really good at taking faceoffs.

To be honest, I never really thought it much further than that. I could just see him being a good add as a 3rd line player with his experience and playmaking ability for the 2nd PP unit. It's always nice to have another strong faceoff guy as well.

I was thinking it could be his last NHL contract (1 year) before he calls it quits and would be 'nice' if he finished his career where it started. As far as 'fit' within Bednar's system, it may not work, I'll give you that and I have no earthly idea if he would be the type of player that would be on their radar or not... probably not.

I wasn't mentioning what I think "the Avs are going to do", I specifically said "I would take Stastny back on a 1 year - $2M deal". I just think it would be cool if it happened as a fan of the team and the player. That's all.

I don’t care bout the sentimental part you mentioned but it’s not a horrible idea. It may not work. He’s 37 and may not be able to exert the effort like the younger guys. Or he might thrive with more open ice and his playmaking ability.

 

[shadow1]

I don’t understand everyone’s infatuation with Gibson. He used to be good. He’s been living off the rep ever since. A Gibson trade looks worse than last year’s Kuemper trade and we would also get worse results. Just seems like Jose Theodore all over again. I’d much rather roll the dice with Kuemper at the cost of no assets *assuming the price is reasonable.*

Overall, It’s difficult to armchair GM this off-season. Everyone is a cup winner now. Opposing GM’s pay a premium for that regardless of whether it means anything. There will be some guys looking to cash in. There will be others that want another crack at the cup with this group and are willing to take a bit less to do so. We can’t afford bidding wars, so only the 2nd group is a reasonable option to pull from. Not entirely sure who those guys will be.

People need to remember not to implode when the final roster is set. It won’t be as good as our cup winning roster but it also won’t be the roster we enter the 2023 playoffs with. We added so many important pieces during the season last year and will do it again as the cap permits.

Gibson's horrible numbers speak for themselves, but I think the logic is that he could go back to being elite (<2020 form) if not playing for the lowly Ducks.

I don't buy into that but I do believe he'd be much better playing behind Colorado's defense. Interesting thing about Gibson this year is that he was elite until about February (2nd in saves), at which point the wheels completely fell off:

	Record	GAA	SV%	SO
Oct-Jan	15-10-8	2.49	.922	1
Feb-Apr	3-16-3	4.32	.876	0

 

[flyfysher]

I think he's probably more of a LW now then a C. I'm pretty sure that's mostly what he was playing in Winnipeg last season although he's still really good at taking faceoffs.

To be honest, I never really thought it much further than that. I could just see him being a good add as a 3rd line player with his experience and playmaking ability for the 2nd PP unit. It's always nice to have another strong faceoff guy as well.

I was thinking it could be his last NHL contract (1 year) before he calls it quits and would be 'nice' if he finished his career where it started. As far as 'fit' within Bednar's system, it may not work, I'll give you that and I have no earthly idea if he would be the type of player that would be on their radar or not... probably not.

I wasn't mentioning what I think "the Avs are going to do", I specifically said "I would take Stastny back on a 1 year - $2M deal". I just think it would be cool if it happened as a fan of the team and the player. That's all.

I don’t share that nostalgia so that’s why it’s a non-factor for me but I understand where you’re coming from. Sorry. I could care less about how Stastny ends his career (no disrespect to you intended). The only dudes I care about in that regard are EJ and Landeskog because they wanted to be here and Calvert who is also deserving.

I see your point about Stastny’s production and at a certain point in the Avs’ contention window, I can see the utility of bringing on a cup chasing vet at a favorable deal. I neither think nor hope we’re at that point yet.

I appreciate that you listed the reasons why you listed Stastny as an option though. While I don’t agree now, it may be that you’re right. Your opinion informs others. I wanted Kadri gone after the VGK series so I always try and keep that in mind when I’m certain I’m right because I might not be (absolutely no to trading Byram though).

 

[Richard88]

The situation seems a little grim. Trying to keep the band together can be tough but let’s not forget that TB had cap issues and they managed to ice a good team three years in a row.

The only UFA that really matters is Nichuskin. Losing him would be really, really tough to replace, and unless you get Forsberg somehow any alternatives would be significantly worse.

Losing Kadri has always been inevitable, and it doesn't make sense to sign him at his age.

Kuemper and Manson are 50/50 but their losses wouldn't be a huge issue given that their contracts would probably not be great at their ages. Sakic will find a decent goalie somehow, as he did with Grubauer and Kuemper.

Burakovsky would be a loss but he can be replaced internally (eg. Newhook or Olausson) or with a shrewd trade or UFA signing.

 

[Gruyeriev]

The only UFA that really matters is Nichuskin. Losing him would be really, really tough to replace, and unless you get Forsberg somehow any alternatives would be significantly worse.

Losing Kadri has always been inevitable, and it doesn't make sense to sign him at his age.

Kuemper and Manson are 50/50 but their losses wouldn't be a huge issue given that their contracts would probably not be great at their ages. Sakic will find a decent goalie somehow, as he did with Grubauer and Kuemper.

Burakovsky would be a loss but he can be replaced internally (eg. Newhook or Olausson) or with a shrewd trade or UFA signing.

yeah Nuke is #1 priority. I’ve expected to lose Kadri and Bura. Manson ended up being the perfect #4 D. I think he would be great next to Girard or Byram but it depends on what he is asking for. Kuemper I could go either way but I don’t want to be left scrambling. Joe/Chris need to make that decision early and not be left waiting and then a last minute scramble again. Ideally I would like to upgrade Kuemper but I don’t see many good options available.

 

[Ararana]

I’ve been saying it and I’ll keep saying it. Let Kumper walk, let Kadri walk, let a Burakovsky walk. No stupid decisions that hurt the club long term.

Do everything possible to keep Nuke and get a new second line center either in UFA or more likely from a trade.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

The situation seems a little grim. Trying to keep the band together can be tough but let’s not forget that TB had cap issues and they managed to ice a good team three years in a row.

Tampa has been great at finding talent with late picks, the Avs are completely lost after the 1st round. That is the massive difference between these two teams.

Avs have proven to be so bad after the 1st that they should just trade all the late picks, every single one of them.

 

[LOFIN]

Extend Mack, extend Val, and hopefully extend Byram. Keep the core together and work around that.

Giroux at 2C would be a great replacement for Kadri.

Didn't even realize Byram can be extended now as well. Would be good if that could be settled, but I'm sceptical. I guess if he wants to be safe considering his concussion issues, but if he's healthy he's going to get much more value in his contract after a full breakout season.

 

[CalderKing21]

Yeah, the last couple of summers have been more tamed then usual though thanks to Covid and the cap strap as well as money strap of a lot of teams.


But it looks like hockey is back baby! And GMs are back to being 90% idiots while the other 10% are the ones who end up winning cups. Fortunately Sakic falls in that other 10%.

I guess the idea that by the 24/25 season the Cap could see a significant rise is contributing to teams getting trigger happy early.

You would think teams would see the issues brought on in Minnesota by making large gambles but…this is the NHL, every GM is a player away from being a player away.

 

[avalanche_country]

I love Kadri but he’s due for a big regression and a fat contract. Thank goodness they won the cup with him and MacKs under valued contracts before they both expired.

 

[CalderKing21]

Madness

10 mil AAV…for Kari…not Mackinnon, not Landy, but Kadri…we talking bout Kadri?

 

[flyfysher]

You would think teams would see the issues brought on in Minnesota by making large gambles but…this is the NHL, every GM is a player away from being a player away.

GMs probably figure they won’t be around to deal with the consequences and they’re probably right.

 

[hughdreamz]

Lots of smoke around Fleury to Colorado. Don’t love it based upon recent performance, but we proved a goalie doesn’t need to be superb to win in our system. Although Kuemper was superb during the season.