Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[dahrougem2]

I wonder what Sakic does if all of Kadri, Nichushkin, Burakovsky, Manson, and Kuemper end up walking. It's a realistic possibility since teams will likely pony up for some of those guys in ways the Avs cannot (Kadri, Nichushkin, Kuemper).

In the event Kadri leaves, what do people think of the following:

- Offer Evgeni Malkin 2 years, 18M
- Trade Samuel Girard to Carolina for Martin Necas and Ethan Bear

That could give us a lineup next season looking like this to start:

Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - Malkin - Necas
Newhook - Meyers - Compher
XXXXX - XXXXX - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Bear
XXXXX - EJ

XXXXX
Francouz

The Avs would still have a lot of money to play around with, especially if Lehkonen comes in at ~4M, Necas at ~3M and Bear at ~2.5-2.75M.

 

[Balthazar]

Say no to Malkin.

In fact, say no to anyone in his mid to late 30's to have a key role on the team: 2C, goaltending, etc.

PS: Fleury is turning 38 in November this year.

 

[dahrougem2]

Say no to Malkin.

In fact, say no to anyone in his mid to late 30's to have a key role on the team: 2C, goaltending, etc.

PS: Fleury is turning 38 in November this year.

Perhaps, but if Malkin is willing to come in on no more than a 2 year deal I don't think it'd be the worst thing in the world. I was admittedly very hard on him for his lackluster playoff performance, but the numbers below suggest the guy can still perform:

 

[JH21]

MAF seems like he will be the next Craig Anderson. He doesn't seem to age.

I can see us signing MAF to something like a 2 year, 8m deal and he plays 55 games and puts up better numbers than Darcy.

My bet is Kuemper signs in Edmonton to be close to home.

 

[JH21]

Perhaps, but if Malkin is willing to come in on no more than a 2 year deal I don't think it'd be the worst thing in the world. I was admittedly very hard on him for his lackluster playoff performance, but the numbers below suggest the guy can still perform:

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I'm all for Malkin if he leaves on a 2 year deal.

Sure he might miss some games in the regular season but keep him fresh for the playoffs and roll with:

Landy- Mack- Nichushkin
Lehkonen- Malkin- Rantanen

That's a crazy good top 6

 

[dahrougem2]

MAF seems like he will be the next Craig Anderson. He doesn't seem to age.

I can see us signing MAF to something like a 2 year, 8m deal and he plays 55 games and puts up better numbers than Darcy.

My bet is Kuemper signs in Edmonton to be close to home.

I wouldn't give Fleury a dollar over 3M per.

 

[Richard88]

Perhaps, but if Malkin is willing to come in on no more than a 2 year deal I don't think it'd be the worst thing in the world. I was admittedly very hard on him for his lackluster playoff performance, but the numbers below suggest the guy can still perform:

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His zone entry and rush stats are quite contrary to the way the Avs like to play. Maybe it would work if you pair him with a couple of play-driving wingers who are decent at entries though (eg. Nichuskin and Rantanen)

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Perhaps, but if Malkin is willing to come in on no more than a 2 year deal I don't think it'd be the worst thing in the world. I was admittedly very hard on him for his lackluster playoff performance, but the numbers below suggest the guy can still perform:

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He cannot stay healthy. Just stay away.

 

[Richard88]

I'm really intrigued by the idea of Necas as 2C...

Obviously there's a risk that if he doesn't fill 2C then you've burned some assets (likely Girard), and that's certainly a legitimate risk.

But on the flipside if he does hit it off at 2C in Bednar's system then we'd have another skillful, strong, and super fast skater down the middle behind Mackinnon.

The Avs just dominated the playoffs playing an up-tempo style where no team in the league could keep up or slow them down. Doubling down on speed like that could make this team even more unbeatable.

Off the ice there's also the fact that he's still team controlled for another 4 years and has no arbitration rights this off-season, meaning that he could be kept at a reasonable AAV for most of the Avs cup window.

 

[KingSizeKirby]

Just please don’t commit long term to kuemper. If you don’t trade for Gibson, then just sign MAF. He couldn’t be any worse then kuemper was in the playoffs.

 

[BobRossColton]

If we can get Necas then Kaut gets another countrymen. Necas also would just be another great top 6.

Lehks Nate Mikko
Gabe Necas Nuke

 

[Bender]

I bet Fleury will take a discount. Kadri and Nuke stay!

It's unrealistic to expect Kadri to stay. I hope the Avs get a pick for his negotiating rights.

After the Beauchemin and Iginla 'fiasco' - the team has done a great job to stay away from the "I'm not worried about years 3 and 4" types of contracts. I think they learned their lesson the hard way and it's probably a management policy or close to it with Sakic and McFarland.

I mean, for sure they probably want him back for 3 or 4 years at a good cap hit but the problem is that other (more poorly managed) teams won't care to get into a bidding war for years 5 and maybe even 6. That's where the Avs are OUT... and no one can blame Kadri - he's not going to leave $6M to $15M on the table for those extra year(s) the Avs wouldn't want to get to.

 

[Richard88]

It's unrealistic to expect Kadri to stay. I hope the Avs get a pick for his negotiating rights.

After the Beauchemin and Iginla 'fiasco' - the team has done a great job to stay away from the "I'm not worried about years 3 and 4" types of contracts. I think they learned their lesson the hard way and it's probably a management policy or close to it with Sakic and McFarland.

I mean, for sure they probably want him back for 3 or 4 years at a good cap hit but the problem is that other (more poorly managed) teams won't care to get into a bidding war for years 5 and maybe even 6. That's where the Avs are OUT... and no one can blame Kadri - he's not going to leave $6M to $15M on the table for those extra year(s) the Avs wouldn't want to get to.

Honestly think the same applies to Kuemper. With his eye injury and bad playoff performance I don't think Sakic is going to want to risk it with giving him term. If it fails then you've just gotten stuck with a Martin Jones contract for the entirety of Makar and Rantanen's contracts and effectively blown this teams chances at another cup because they don't have the surplus of assets to undo a mistake like that.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I keep not wanting to look in this thread because we just won the cup and its too soon. But this morning I realized that UFA starts in 11 days and now I'm thinking "Dammit, hurry up and lock our damn guys up Joe"

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

MAF on a super cheap contract would be my top option but at $4M+ he starts falling down the list for me.



At $2-3M sure, because that money saved means more space for the 2nd line improvements.


But at $4M+ I'd rather look at Husso as an option on a 3 year deal, and I might even prefer to look at Campbell/Kuemper.... although if those guys get $6M I'm staying away from that as well.

 

[forsbergavs32]

If only we could the Dallas GM really drunk and trade for Oettinger

 

[The Merchant]

 

[RockyMtnRedhawk]

Just please don’t commit long term to kuemper. If you don’t trade for Gibson, then just sign MAF. He couldn’t be any worse then kuemper was in the playoffs.

This narrative that Kuemper was bad in the playoffs needs to stop. He was Carl Soderberg out there playing goalie with one eye. His numbers in the regular season were quite good, especially in the second half of the season.

Do I want to commit long-term to Darcy, well that depends on the AAV, but any hesitation about committing to him has more to do with age and injury history than his play on the ice, especially in the playoffs.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Gibson sucks though. That’s a downgrade or lateral at best. Campbell has better numbers but I’m suspicious of him too. Why is Toronto giving up on him if they consider themselves contenders?

Gibson dont suck.

 

[Bender]

Honestly think the same applies to Kuemper. With his eye injury and bad playoff performance I don't think Sakic is going to want to risk it with giving him term. If it fails then you've just gotten stuck with a Martin Jones contract for the entirety of Makar and Rantanen's contracts and effectively blown this teams chances at another cup because they don't have the surplus of assets to undo a mistake like that.

I think it's a fair point but the Avs won the cup despite the eye injury and despite the 'bad' playoff performance. I think bad playoff performance is a bit much - I would say inconsistent. He could have easily given up a terrible, soft goal in Game #6 in a close game with all the pressure on his shoulders but he didn't and made the saves he needed to make.

The moment was not too big for Kuemper but who's to say it wouldn't have been for Husso or Francouz or other?

Again, for me the absolute max is 4 years @ $5M and if he wants more, I'm sure he'll be able to get it.

We know MAF has been in that moment before and won a cup but Joe and co. better be damn sure that they can get him and not have some idiot like chuck fletcher come in with a "we've signed Fleury to a 3 year - $15M contract" or something stupid like that.

If something like that happens and the Avs don't have an adequate starter - acquiring one through trade might be very, very costly as other teams will know just how desperate we are.

 

[PAZ]

This narrative that Kuemper was bad in the playoffs needs to stop. He was Carl Soderberg out there playing goalie with one eye. His numbers in the regular season were quite good, especially in the second half of the season.

Do I want to commit long-term to Darcy, well that depends on the AAV, but any hesitation about committing to him has more to do with age and injury history than his play on the ice, especially in the playoffs.

His injury and play on the ice go hand in hand.

Based off his playoff performance post-injury he's not a goalie you want to commit long-term. Basically, he's just as big of a question mark as Campbell, Husso, etc.

His eye injury also doesn't affect his lateral movement, which is only going to get worse.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

This narrative that Kuempers bad play was due to the eye injury needs to die. Its obvious bullshit. If it was really that bad they would have played Francouz far more especially considering he won the series against Edmonton.


He just wasn't very good.

 

[The Kingslayer]

MAF seems like he will be the next Craig Anderson. He doesn't seem to age.

I can see us signing MAF to something like a 2 year, 8m deal and he plays 55 games and puts up better numbers than Darcy.

My bet is Kuemper signs in Edmonton to be close to home.

That and the Oilers went after him almost as hard as Joe did so I imagine they are going to go hard after him if he goes to market.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

The Avs will get a goalie, I’m not that worried about it.

Kuemper, Fleury, Campbell, Husso, Varly. They’re all fine enough and surely one of these FA’s/trade targets will want to play behind a Stanley cup caliber defence.

I personally wouldn’t swing big for any goaltender, but would prefer Hellebuyk over Gibson if that’s the route they go.

 

[Bender]

I wonder what Sakic does if all of Kadri, Nichushkin, Burakovsky, Manson, and Kuemper end up walking. It's a realistic possibility since teams will likely pony up for some of those guys in ways the Avs cannot (Kadri, Nichushkin, Kuemper).

In the event Kadri leaves, what do people think of the following:

- Offer Evgeni Malkin 2 years, 18M
- Trade Samuel Girard to Carolina for Martin Necas and Ethan Bear

That could give us a lineup next season looking like this to start:

Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - Malkin - Necas
Newhook - Meyers - Compher
XXXXX - XXXXX - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Bear
XXXXX - EJ

XXXXX
Francouz

The Avs would still have a lot of money to play around with, especially if Lehkonen comes in at ~4M, Necas at ~3M and Bear at ~2.5-2.75M.

I don't think Malkin is a good fit for this team. Don't get me wrong, he's a great player and highly-skilled but I don't think he's what this team needs. Besides, I think he's likely headed to Washington or the Rangers.

I love Matt Barzal, he's probably in my top-3 favorite non-Avs players but I'm not convinced he's what the Avs need for a 2C either.

The actual perfect fit for this Avs team at #2C is Bo Horvat. In terms of skillset, two-way play and the kind of $$ he'll likely command on his next contract, for me anyways he's the guy they should go after and get him locked up.