Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[Richard88]

Gauthier would be a great fit here for the regular season. His game fits a bottom 6 role on the Avs which is about hustling and creating pressure - the size is just a bonus. New York wants gritty bottom 6 players that can goon it up like Reaves, Blais, etc. and hit everything in sight.

I agree I wouldn't pay much for him, but i'd be more than happy to swap Kaut for him. Blackwell is kind of meh, I think the only slot i'd have interest for him is the 3rd line if Newhook gets traded.

The bit in bold I agree with. Can he do the dirty work on the 4th line in the playoffs though?

I agree re: Kaut. Might as well get someone in who at least has the speed to play the Avs style rather than waiting for Kaut to get claimed on waivers.

 

[LOFIN]

10M X 7 to 32 yo Kadri? What?? There's just no f***ing way any team offers that. It would become instantly the worst contract in the NHL hands down.

I wouldn't be shocked if he has 7 times 8-8.5 on the table from say Seattle, Philly or Ottawa. But no way it goes above that.

 

[Reparlana]

Just need Stan kroenke to pay Kadri under the table and we are good for the repeat

 

[Richard88]

There's a thread on the main boards saying that Iafallo might be available after the Fiala trade... Not sure the Avs have the capspace for him ($4m x 3) or the assets to acquire him (~2nd + B prospect) but he'd be a good stylistic fit on the Avs as a complementary two-way winger on any of the top 3 lines if they can make it work.

He's probably only a semi-realistic option cap-wise if Nichuskin walks or JTC is traded though. Or alternatively it might be workable if you put Rantanen at 2C and load up on two-way wingers, something like:

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichuskin
Lehkonen - Rantanen - Newhook
Iafallo - Meyers - Compher

A Girard to LA trade has been brought up with some regularity, with suggested returns varying around a RHD (Roy/Walker) + young C (Turcotte/Vilardi/Kupari), but maybe if that went down you could find a way to work Iafallo into a deal like that as well.

 

[UncleRisto]

Eh, why would LA want to get rid of Iafallo if they're trying to get somewhere.

 

[Metallo]

One thing about Smatlz is his real dollar cost is lower than his cap hit and I think playing in a college arena will be looking to be the hollowest floor team in history.

All the Schmaltz things.

 

[Richard88]

Eh, why would LA want to get rid of Iafallo if they're trying to get somewhere.

I was just going off what was suggested on the main boards by LA fans

 

[UncleRisto]

I was just going off what was suggested on the main boards by LA fans

Yeah, sure. I mean they have a lot of forwards, but hasn't Iafallo been one of the better ones?

 

[Richard88]

Yeah, sure. I mean they have a lot of forwards, but hasn't Iafallo been one of the better ones?

Yes, he's been solid. I was a bit surprised to see that thread. If they make him available they'll be plenty of interest I'd imagine.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Trading Girard is part of a complicated puzzle. If you imagine the defense in 4 years, does that involve Toews? Because if it doesn't, maybe you think twice about trading Girard?

I think it would be wise to give Byram his own pairing and split the minutes between Makar and Byram. Makar loves playing with Toews. That should count for something. Plus, what's the Avs record without Toews this year? He's the better player between he and Girard. How much can the Avs afford to pay him going forward? If, say, you're paying Toews and Byram a total of 15 million, can you then get by with a Jack Johnson type on the right side next to Byram? Or if you trade, Girard, do you do so with filling that spot in mind? It's kind of a pity that EJ's contract doesn't end this year because he'd be a good partner for Byram making far less money.

Or do you trade Toews? I doubt Girard can get that 2C worth having. However, Toews should be able to. When you think about it, he's kind of a JT Miller of defense. He's a late bloomer. He's one year younger and his contract expires one year later. Each is similarly underpaid. You can almost say it's equal value (except with Toews being more due to having more term). But that could be the basis for a trade. However, Toews doesn't exactly seem to fit Vancouvers window.

If the Avs trade Girard or Toews, are they committing to the other? Should the Avs be open to trading both?

 

[avsfan9]

Four years left on his deal? Tampa good s the new Vegas.

 

[Hornstar]

There's a thread on the main boards saying that Iafallo might be available after the Fiala trade... Not sure the Avs have the capspace for him ($4m x 3) or the assets to acquire him (~2nd + B prospect) but he'd be a good stylistic fit on the Avs as a complementary two-way winger on any of the top 3 lines if they can make it work.

He's probably only a semi-realistic option cap-wise if Nichuskin walks or JTC is traded though. Or alternatively it might be workable if you put Rantanen at 2C and load up on two-way wingers, something like:

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichuskin
Lehkonen - Rantanen - Newhook
Iafallo - Meyers - Compher

A Girard to LA trade has been brought up with some regularity, with suggested returns varying around a RHD (Roy/Walker) + young C (Turcotte/Vilardi/Kupari), but maybe if that went down you could find a way to work Iafallo into a deal like that as well.

This second line doesn’t do much for me. Especially newhook. I am skeptical that he will ever be a great top 6 player
We shit the bed drafting Jost, Kaut, newhook. The latter one still has room to grow but I just hate seeing him next to Rants who needs a playmaker on his line

 

[Hasbro]

Don't see why they would trade McD ahead of Killorn.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Definitely wouldn't want Newhook on the 2nd line. Hook could make the jump in development next season, but could also be equal or even worse. He hasn't earned a big role and needs to prove it.

 

[Richard88]

Trading Girard is part of a complicated puzzle. If you imagine the defense in 4 years, does that involve Toews? Because if it doesn't, maybe you think twice about trading Girard?

I think it would be wise to give Byram his own pairing and split the minutes between Makar and Byram. Makar loves playing with Toews. That should count for something. Plus, what's the Avs record without Toews this year? He's the better player between he and Girard. How much can the Avs afford to pay him going forward? If, say, you're paying Toews and Byram a total of 15 million, can you then get by with a Jack Johnson type on the right side next to Byram? Or if you trade, Girard, do you do so with filling that spot in mind? It's kind of a pity that EJ's contract doesn't end this year because he'd be a good partner for Byram making far less money.

Or do you trade Toews? I doubt Girard can get that 2C worth having. However, Toews should be able to. When you think about it, he's kind of a JT Miller of defense. He's a late bloomer. He's one year younger and his contract expires one year later. Each is similarly underpaid. You can almost say it's equal value (except with Toews being more due to having more term). But that could be the basis for a trade. However, Toews doesn't exactly seem to fit Vancouvers window.

If the Avs trade Girard or Toews, are they committing to the other? Should the Avs be open to trading both?

Deciding which of Girard or Toews to trade will effectively come down to whether the Avs want to maximise their cup chances in the next two years, or if they want to keep their window open longer.

Keeping Toews over Girard gives the Avs the better player and an additional $900k in capspace, and thus a better shot at another cup in the next two years. The trade-off is that Toews isn't team-controlled beyond 2024 and he would be expensive to keep long term, likely forcing you to lose him for nothing or having to sacrifice other pieces of the core to keep him.

On the flipside, should they keep Girard and opt to trade Toews they'll have an extra 3 years of team control, with a player who's also going to be in his prime longer.

From an asset management perspective the logical move to make would be to keep both Toews and Girard, and then trade Toews in 2023 as a pending UFA to retool whatever parts of the roster need help, much like the Barrie-for-2C situation 3 years ago.

I could totally see why they'd opt to keep Toews instead though, as he gives you the best chance at another cup in 2023 or 2024. His extension may also be manageable if his caphit is spread out over 6-7 years too.

Another factor to consider is Behrens' development. Being on the small side physically it would probably make more sense to keep Toews instead of Girard, as Girard and Behrens would be quite a short left side of the bottom 4, even though Behrens plays bigger than his height would suggest.

 

[Bender]

Trading Girard is part of a complicated puzzle. If you imagine the defense in 4 years, does that involve Toews? Because if it doesn't, maybe you think twice about trading Girard?

I think it would be wise to give Byram his own pairing and split the minutes between Makar and Byram. Makar loves playing with Toews. That should count for something. Plus, what's the Avs record without Toews this year? He's the better player between he and Girard. How much can the Avs afford to pay him going forward? If, say, you're paying Toews and Byram a total of 15 million, can you then get by with a Jack Johnson type on the right side next to Byram? Or if you trade, Girard, do you do so with filling that spot in mind? It's kind of a pity that EJ's contract doesn't end this year because he'd be a good partner for Byram making far less money.

Or do you trade Toews? I doubt Girard can get that 2C worth having. However, Toews should be able to. When you think about it, he's kind of a JT Miller of defense. He's a late bloomer. He's one year younger and his contract expires one year later. Each is similarly underpaid. You can almost say it's equal value (except with Toews being more due to having more term). But that could be the basis for a trade. However, Toews doesn't exactly seem to fit Vancouvers window.

If the Avs trade Girard or Toews, are they committing to the other? Should the Avs be open to trading both?

I don't think it's that complicated. As I've mentioned before whether that it's by design or luck/coincidence but Byram's ELC ends at the same time that Toews will only have 1 year left on his deal. The Avs will be able to negotiate an extension with him at that time before extending Byram (unless they get that done this summer).

Lots of flexibility there. Personally, I don't think DT7 prices himself out of Colorado. I think he loves it here, has a young family and will sign a reasonable contract to stay and play with his partner #8.

The Avs certainly could hang on to Sammy G until to that point comes as a fail safe but I think he's the main piece getting moved this off-season to fill other holes. When you have a top-3 of Makar, Toews and Byram as well as EJ in the mix, it gives you a lot of options.

This second line doesn’t do much for me. Especially newhook. I am skeptical that he will ever be a great top 6 player
We shit the bed drafting Jost, Kaut, newhook. The latter one still has room to grow but I just hate seeing him next to Rants who needs a playmaker on his line

This is a weird take for a just turned 21 year old in his first pro season where he just put up 33 points in 71 games in mostly a 3rd line role. He's going to continue to improve. Doesn't mean he doesn't get traded but he's not a finished product at this point.

The guy gets the least amount of credit I've ever seen around here. Long-term, he's probably not best suited for a bottom-6 role but he made a few GREAT plays in the playoffs that led to important goals and all I ever see on here is how bad he was.

 

[kinghock]

I was just going off what was suggested on the main boards by LA fans

Also, on the main board LA fans suggested that Kings have no interest and do not need Garland and have no money for him now.

Kings wants to make their defense bigger not smaller.

Girard is opposite from what is needed in LA.

 

[TheShape]

Don't see why they would trade McD ahead of Killorn.

McDonagh has 4 years left at 6.75m and the footspeed won't be improving over time. Killorn has one year remaining.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't think it's that complicated. As I've mentioned before whether that it's by design or luck/coincidence but Byram's ELC ends at the same time that Toews will only have 1 year left on his deal. The Avs will be able to negotiate an extension with him at that time before extending Byram (unless they get that done this summer).

Lots of flexibility there. Personally, I don't think DT7 prices himself out of Colorado. I think he loves it here, has a young family and will sign a reasonable contract to stay and play with his partner #8.

The Avs certainly could hang on to Sammy G until to that point comes as a fail safe but I think he's the main piece getting moved this off-season to fill other holes. When you have a top-3 of Makar, Toews and Byram as well as EJ in the mix, it gives you a lot of options.

This is a weird take for a just turned 21 year old in his first pro season where he just put up 33 points in 71 games in mostly a 3rd line role. He's going to continue to improve. Doesn't mean he doesn't get traded but he's not a finished product at this point.

The guy gets the least amount of credit I've ever seen around here. Long-term, he's probably not best suited for a bottom-6 role but he made a few GREAT plays in the playoffs that led to important goals and all I ever see on here is how bad he was.

It’s complicated in that you have to address step 3 before you go about step 1. And it’s kind of a leap of faith.

 

[John Mandalorian]

McDonagh has 4 years left at 6.75m and the footspeed won't be improving over time. Killorn has one year remaining.

Isn’t it ironic that for over a year, Girard has been dumped on and scapegoated for last season. He even bulked up to the point where it hurt his mobility. He represented everything that McDonagh is not.

Now it’s a year later and Tampa is dumping a guy who was helping them win a cup a year ago because he’s not enough like Girard.

 

[Cypher]

I'd do Kaut for J. Gauthier... Gauthier better fit in bottom 6 with his size.

 

[dahrougem2]

Shane O'Brien on NHL Network Radio saying he "did some digging" and found out that the Avs supposedly did everything possible at the deadline to acquire Fleury but couldn't get it done. He said he believes Kuemper is going elsewhere and Fleury will be in Colorado's goal next season.

 

[TheShape]

Isn’t it ironic that for over a year, Girard has been dumped on and scapegoated for last season. He even bulked up to the point where it hurt his mobility. He represented everything that McDonagh is not.

Now it’s a year later and Tampa is dumping a guy who was helping them win a cup a year ago because he’s not enough like Girard.

Near 7m in cap space is worth more than McDonagh at this point for Tampa, especially with Sergachev waiting in the wings.

TB are being proactive here, if McDonagh declines a year from now JBB will have to sweeten the deal to move the player. Cirelli, Cernak, Sergachev, Foote all need new contracts this time next year.

 

[RockLobster]

Shane O'Brien on NHL Network Radio saying he "did some digging" and found out that the Avs supposedly did everything possible at the deadline to acquire Fleury but couldn't get it done. He said he believes Kuemper is going elsewhere and Fleury will be in Colorado's goal next season.

If this ends up happening, that’s a move Joe makes because he’s decided to keep Kadri. I can’t imagine MAF, at his age, will cost the same as Kuemper

 

[Frenchy]

Shane O'Brien on NHL Network Radio saying he "did some digging" and found out that the Avs supposedly did everything possible at the deadline to acquire Fleury but couldn't get it done. He said he believes Kuemper is going elsewhere and Fleury will be in Colorado's goal next season.

Over here, in the french Medias , we've been hearing rumours about MAF coming to Col for a few years now.