Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[henchman21]

There can only be one Bo.

 

[Ararana]

Assuming Kadri is gone... the guy you make the biggest run at is Horvat.

I've wanted Horvat since the Barrie trade went down. Seems like it might be easier to pry him out of Vancouver now than it was back then.

He'd be a fantastic second line center behind MacKinnon. And he can't elbow Byram in the face if they're on the same team right?

 

[dahrougem2]

Really, though, I don't know what it'd take. Newhook+? Surely they want nothing to do with Girard given Quinn is just as tiny.

 

[henchman21]

I've wanted Horvat since the Barrie trade went down. Seems like it might be easier to pry him out of Vancouver now than it was back then.

It'd be costly, but can be done.

Really, though, I don't know what it'd take. Newhook+? Surely they want nothing to do with Girard given Quinn is just as tiny.

They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).

 

[The Abusement Park]

It'd be costly, but can be done.



They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).

Bo and OO for a pending UFA Horvat would be stupid.

 

[flyfysher]

Assuming Kadri is gone... the guy you make the biggest run at is Horvat.

How is his skating? Sorry, I don't follow Horvat. I thought I read somewhere that Horvat is slow but I have not idea if that's accurate or not.

Bo and OO for a pending UFA Horvat would be stupid.

NO to BO & OO!

 

[Avsboy]

I'm sure the Canucks would give up half their team combined for Byram

 

[henchman21]

Bo and OO for a pending UFA Horvat would be stupid.

Horvat would be re-signed and it would be agreed to prior to completion of the deal. Any team trading for him will demand that (if he is traded).

How is his skating? Sorry, I don't follow Horvat. I thought I read somewhere that Horvat is slow but I have not idea if that's accurate or not.


NO to BO & OO!

He's fine as a skater. Not a strength, but not really a weakness anymore.

 

[Avsboy]

LeBrun rumblings: How does Anthony Duclair's injury affect the Panthers' offseason?

Also, how is the UFA goalie market shaping up? Will Nazem Kadri and Ondrej Palat remain with their teams? Is Zdeno Chara coming back?

theathletic.com

Kadri: Unlikely but will try
Nichushkin: Priority
Kuemper: Mutual interest

 

[Richard88]

I think G has to go because:

- We already proved we can win without him
- He isn't the same G we got when we acquired him. The injuries clearly have made him less dynamic.
- It's the Bo show now.
- That 5M is needed elsewhere

My preference would be to move him in a package for a goalie. If we managed to really shore up the #1 Goalie slot, we might be a dynasty in the making. Hell, If we had just had average goal-tending this postseason, we might've went like 16-2.

Girard is not at all the same Dman as when we acquired him.

When he was acquired he had only played 5 NHL games, and his first two seasons he averaged ~25 points.

The last three seasons he's paced 41.6 points (94 points in 185 games) which is impressive considering he doesn't get PP1 time.

Avs can also fill 2C and goalie without trading him (capwise, not necessarily in terms of assets).

 

[The Abusement Park]

Horvat would be re-signed and it would be agreed to prior to completion of the deal. Any team trading for him will demand that (if he is traded).


He's fine as a skater. Not a strength, but not really a weakness anymore.

Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.

f***en right!

 

[Richard88]

It'd be costly, but can be done.



They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).

Girard + Newhook for Horvat (extended at reasonable term and AAV). That's something you have to consider. Maybe Vancouver send a pick/prospect back.

Then re-sign Manson.

Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.

Yeah I'd be aiming at a 1C if we're talking about moving Byram. But that shouldn't really be a conversation at all after the playoffs he just had.

 

[Ararana]

An extended Horvat for Girard + Newhook is tempting.

The big roster hole would shift to second pairing RHD though. Not sure they can afford to bring Manson back. But if Byram continues to develop this way, they can get away with a standard complementary piece there and let Byram carry the pairing.

 

[Bront]

Don't trade G! The key to this run was defense.

Of which Girard played very little role. He is entirely dispensable with Byrams emergence. And for the second year in a row he proved his body cant hold up to playoff hockey, whether it be getting seriously manhandled or seriously injured.

 

[henchman21]

Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.

I don't disagree... but it is just what Vancouver would start with. Avs won't be dealing Byram. Not with the cap issues next season and not with his injury issues (IE won't get full value).

 

[Richard88]

An extended Horvat for Girard + Newhook is tempting.

The big roster hole would shift to second pairing RHD though. Not sure they can afford to bring Manson back. But if Byram continues to develop this way, they can get away with a standard complementary piece there and let Byram carry the pairing.

Swapping Girard and Kadri for Horvat and Manson (~$4m) works out the same capwise ($9.5m) so it's definitely doable (and that's without even factoring in Manson's $2m that he's currently on, but let's say that $2m goes to Horvats extension long term).

Horvat $5.5m
Manson $4m

Kadri $4.5m
Girard $5m

 

[Bront]

It'd be costly, but can be done.



They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).

My god Bo plus Olausson for Horvat would be the overpayment of the century.

 

[henchman21]

My god Bo plus Olausson for Horvat would be the overpayment of the century.

Ignoring a part of that sentence?

 

[Gruyeriev]

Toronto just extended Liljegren, and a lot of TML fans on the main board now seem adamant that Holl will be traded as the odd one out on their blueline, and for only like a 5th round pick or so.

I suggested it last week but with the Liljegren development I'll mention again that perhaps Holl would be a solid replacement for Manson if he doesn't re-sign.

The UFA market for bottom 4 Dmen is pretty limited, especially for RHS Dmen, and with a very manageable $2m1 contract Holl would be a realistic alternative for basically the same contract Ryan Murray got this year.

Holl gets a bit unfairly scapegoated by TML fans, but he has solid underlying metrics at 5v5 and on the PK, and has been serviceable in the top 4 when needed.

In terms of usage you could pair him with any of Toews/Byram/Girard on the middle or bottom pairing. Alternatively if you want Girard at 2RHD and also re-sign JJ then Holl could simply be the 7D insurance for EJ, though he'd most likely play ahead of JJ.

I would be curious to see what the Wild do with Jacob Middleton. I think he plays the left side though.

 

[Avs44]

I hope they only bring back Kuemper if he loved being on a winning team and takes a "discount" relative to what he'll get on the market....nothing he showed this past year makes me want to give him between 5.5-6 million. I think Grubauer was steadier for us. Twelve goalies in the playoffs (min. 5 games played) just finished with a higher save percentage than him...the Avs pretty much just demonstrated they can win with subpar goaltending, so I'm in the either go all in for a top goalie (Gibson, Hellebuyck) camp or get a sub-$5 million goalie to ride with Francouz.

 

[Richard88]

Ignoring a part of that sentence?

Must be ignoring the part that mentioned Elias Petterson...

 

[Gruyeriev]

Kadri’s negotiating rights and Girard for Gourde.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I don't disagree... but it is just what Vancouver would start with. Avs won't be dealing Byram. Not with the cap issues next season and not with his injury issues (IE won't get full value).

Yeah I’d just keep him then. 0 point in moving him unless you’re getting a legit 1C or guy with that sort of potential back.

 

[Richard88]

I would be curious to see what the Wild do with Jacob Middleton. I think he plays the left side though.

They traded Kahkonen for him, doubt they move him.

Kadri’s negotiating rights and Girard for Gourde.

Why would Seattle (a rebuilding team) want to sign Kadri at age 32? And why would Kadri want to go to Seattle?