henchman21
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Assuming Kadri is gone... the guy you make the biggest run at is Horvat.
Really, though, I don't know what it'd take. Newhook+? Surely they want nothing to do with Girard given Quinn is just as tiny.
It'd be costly, but can be done.I've wanted Horvat since the Barrie trade went down. Seems like it might be easier to pry him out of Vancouver now than it was back then.
Really, though, I don't know what it'd take. Newhook+? Surely they want nothing to do with Girard given Quinn is just as tiny.
Bo and OO for a pending UFA Horvat would be stupid.It'd be costly, but can be done.
They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).
How is his skating? Sorry, I don't follow Horvat. I thought I read somewhere that Horvat is slow but I have not idea if that's accurate or not.Assuming Kadri is gone... the guy you make the biggest run at is Horvat.
NO to BO & OO!Bo and OO for a pending UFA Horvat would be stupid.
Horvat would be re-signed and it would be agreed to prior to completion of the deal. Any team trading for him will demand that (if he is traded).Bo and OO for a pending UFA Horvat would be stupid.
How is his skating? Sorry, I don't follow Horvat. I thought I read somewhere that Horvat is slow but I have not idea if that's accurate or not.
NO to BO & OO!
I think G has to go because:
- We already proved we can win without him
- He isn't the same G we got when we acquired him. The injuries clearly have made him less dynamic.
- It's the Bo show now.
- That 5M is needed elsewhere
My preference would be to move him in a package for a goalie. If we managed to really shore up the #1 Goalie slot, we might be a dynasty in the making. Hell, If we had just had average goal-tending this postseason, we might've went like 16-2.
Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.Horvat would be re-signed and it would be agreed to prior to completion of the deal. Any team trading for him will demand that (if he is traded).
He's fine as a skater. Not a strength, but not really a weakness anymore.
f***en right!Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.
It'd be costly, but can be done.
They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).
Yeah I'd be aiming at a 1C if we're talking about moving Byram. But that shouldn't really be a conversation at all after the playoffs he just had.Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.
Of which Girard played very little role. He is entirely dispensable with Byrams emergence. And for the second year in a row he proved his body cant hold up to playoff hockey, whether it be getting seriously manhandled or seriously injured.Don't trade G! The key to this run was defense.
I don't disagree... but it is just what Vancouver would start with. Avs won't be dealing Byram. Not with the cap issues next season and not with his injury issues (IE won't get full value).Even then I’m aiming higher than that if I’m moving Byram.
An extended Horvat for Girard + Newhook is tempting.
The big roster hole would shift to second pairing RHD though. Not sure they can afford to bring Manson back. But if Byram continues to develop this way, they can get away with a standard complementary piece there and let Byram carry the pairing.
My god Bo plus Olausson for Horvat would be the overpayment of the century.It'd be costly, but can be done.
They'd certainly take G... but negotiations would center around one of G/Bo and a good forward prospect. You're looking at G + Newhook or Bo + OO as the foundation of the deal (Vancouver would send something else back too).
Ignoring a part of that sentence?My god Bo plus Olausson for Horvat would be the overpayment of the century.
I would be curious to see what the Wild do with Jacob Middleton. I think he plays the left side though.Toronto just extended Liljegren, and a lot of TML fans on the main board now seem adamant that Holl will be traded as the odd one out on their blueline, and for only like a 5th round pick or so.
I suggested it last week but with the Liljegren development I'll mention again that perhaps Holl would be a solid replacement for Manson if he doesn't re-sign.
The UFA market for bottom 4 Dmen is pretty limited, especially for RHS Dmen, and with a very manageable $2m1 contract Holl would be a realistic alternative for basically the same contract Ryan Murray got this year.
Holl gets a bit unfairly scapegoated by TML fans, but he has solid underlying metrics at 5v5 and on the PK, and has been serviceable in the top 4 when needed.
In terms of usage you could pair him with any of Toews/Byram/Girard on the middle or bottom pairing. Alternatively if you want Girard at 2RHD and also re-sign JJ then Holl could simply be the 7D insurance for EJ, though he'd most likely play ahead of JJ.
Ignoring a part of that sentence?
Yeah I’d just keep him then. 0 point in moving him unless you’re getting a legit 1C or guy with that sort of potential back.I don't disagree... but it is just what Vancouver would start with. Avs won't be dealing Byram. Not with the cap issues next season and not with his injury issues (IE won't get full value).
They traded Kahkonen for him, doubt they move him.I would be curious to see what the Wild do with Jacob Middleton. I think he plays the left side though.
Why would Seattle (a rebuilding team) want to sign Kadri at age 32? And why would Kadri want to go to Seattle?Kadri’s negotiating rights and Girard for Gourde.